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09-11-2002, 10:30 AM
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hhh
why oh why oh dammit why does HHH protect his spot?? what spot is that? the spot on my back that I just can't reach
 . the fact the ic title has gone and the fact that he did'nt EARN(key word) his latest run as champ, but was AWARDED it. this is due to 3 reasons of which I will explain now:
1, he loves burying jericho
2, he does'nt wanna put lesnar over
3, he did'nt have a nice shiny new belt so he cheated and was AWARDED the belt.
please feel free to vote in my poll
additional. if there any HHH fans out there ,ok good 4 u, but apart from being a gr8 heel, carrying the wwf(E) when scsa was injured what else is there good bout him???
the noble one has spoken
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09-11-2002, 10:49 AM
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Most people know I'm a big triple H mark...and i think everything he has done lately (even including the bloody hilarious Katie Vick segments) has been brilliant...He should be a comic
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09-11-2002, 11:06 AM
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Winner of the TWO Prediction League 2002-03
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Number 2 should be he dosen't wanna put anyone over(exception is his clique buddies)
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09-11-2002, 01:20 PM
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Ive never liked him. He bores me senseless. And not to mention hes selfish too. But then, I have a lot of respect for him for getting there and being smart enough to protect it. Its just a shame when guys like Booker T, Kane and the first ever WWE Undisputed Champion and huge... Rock Star that is Chris jericho are suffering because of it. The Rock is a bigger star than HHH ever was, yet Rock can put guys over. he may be doing a lot of movies but he still comes in, does his damndest to put a guy over in his place and looks top notch because of it. If HHH took heed, Im sure WWE would be a lot better place at the moment. its hard to believe that in ECW, Tommy Dreamer, Justin Credible and co used to argue over who was going to LOSE, each saying why they should lose. Just imagine if WWE was like that. Wont happen cas of how big WWE is, but still...
Back to HHH, hes boring. Simple. Hes slower, more boring, and spends too much time on my TV, which is why I now turn over whenever hes on. Even in DX, he was annoying. I loved The outlaws and even X-pac, but not HHH. In the feud with DX and The Nation, I had to go with the nation, simply cas The Rock was awesome and HHH was not. In 2000, HHH looked good but why? he had Mick Foley putting him over in damn brutal matches. Replace HHH with Albert and Im sure Albert would be as over as HHH with Foley putting him over like that. Then he had The Rock to feud with and we all know that in a big match, Rock will almost always look good, regardless of opponent. HHH was good, but takes two to tango.
So overall, I say dont choose any of them options. hes a good wrestler, so send him to HeAT. He can hold back whoever he wants there. At least we wont have to see it.
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09-11-2002, 02:03 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2002
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I've never liked }{H}{. I agree with Draven that he's selfish and boring.
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09-11-2002, 03:23 PM
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I didn't think much of HHH when first came into WWE in 95, the snob gimmick was so dull and he couldn't do anything that didn't invole using the knee, but while he had no crowd reactions or great matches he was set to be given a huge push to the IC Title and a 96 King of the Ring win because he was HBK's best friend, but he shot himself in the foot with The Curtian Call at MSG (breaking character with Hall, Nash and Michaels in the ring after the main event of a house show) and was jobbed for 6 months were most guys would of been fired on the spot. WWE then pushed some bald bloke who cut some promo afterwards.
Around 97 he started to impress me alot more, he had some great matches with Foley which helped get him over, he looked alot more comfortable on the mic and was a decent mid card asset for WWE. He dropped the snob gimmick for DX, cut some verry entertaining promos and segments (WCW "Inavsion") and had a great feud with Rock finishing with a great ladder match at Summerslam.
HHH got his big push in 99 because he had the look WWE wanted, he was big, roided and could cut half decent promos. He conitued on for a few months as Champion in some good matches and angles but nothing that really made him stand out. He was ment to work with Big Show untill Mania were would move on to job to Rock but after Big Shows title reign was a complete disaster the program was changed to Foley. He worked 2 matches with Foley in early 2000 that turned him into one of the best workers in the company. He continued for mthe nest 18 months having scores of Match of the Year contenders with Rock, Austin, Benoit, Jericho and Angle. He also carried poor workers to good matches something he could never do before. HHH was one of the best workers in the US and arguably the world up untill he tore his quad in 2001.
When he came back from the injury he really bored me, he was carrying alot more muscle mass that really slowed him down, his promos lacked any life and I just generally found him really dull to watch as a talent. He had some awfull PPV main events with Taker and Hogan who 18 months ago he probaly would of gotten atleast watchable matches out of and he was over every show non stop.
As for HHH holding guys down I know were not in booking meetings but if you look at the facts:
He is going out with the head booker for the promotion
How many guys has HHH put over in the time he's been in WWE?
How many times has HHH worked with a guy were HHH going over would add nothing to the show while the other guy going over would add a hell of alot to the product but still HHH has gone over?
HHH has done a total of 3 clean PPV jobs all the time he's been in WWE
People will point to him jobbing the IC Title to Jeff Hardy but they foget to point out the Hardy had little offense in the match and made to look like a fluke champion, Hardy was then squashed twice by HHH following his win.
Saying that HHH isn't alone in protecting his spot, Austin helped put over some but not others, Taker's selling for younger guys is non existant but he did put over Rock in 98 and did the right thing in the end for Brocky, HBK openly refused to job to countless guys ands theres a few more, Nash etc.
Over all I don't hate HHH, he may be a shadow of his best but theres worse than him around but theres far more who deserve to be in his spot. But come the end of the year when you look at Buy Rates, TV Ratings and Attendances Chris Jericho will be the biggest drawing champion in WWE for 2002  .
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Last edited by Tajiri; 09-11-2002 at 03:29 PM.
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09-11-2002, 03:24 PM
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While I'm not as obsessive in my hatred of him as some people here, I'd rather he didn't come over to Smackdown which I really enjoy watching whenever I get to see it. I say keep him on Raw. My interest in that show is quickly diminishing anyway.
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09-11-2002, 03:54 PM
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Winner of the TWO Prediction League 2002-03
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i don't hate HHH- i dislike him for not putting over Jericho cleanly at least once
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09-11-2002, 05:10 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Newcastle
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I say put him on HeAt and let him job to people like Justin Credible and Raven, he deserves it for holding so much talent back. Raw would be much better if he was off the show and he is the prime reason why I refuse to watch Raw.
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09-11-2002, 05:39 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
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I'm gonna come to the defense of HHH here.
While I will admit since his return, he hasn't been anywhere near as good as he was before, but from where I sit, he has still been good.
Sure, he was handed the belt, but it was a storyline, the bookers decided thats how it should have been done. I bet if HHH got it by beating someone for it, we would get a lot of claims that he was holding down whoever he beat.
Everyone claims he holds people back, but how many of these people actually go to the meetings and see him do this? Maybe, just maybe, the bookers make the decisions without his interference. Maybe they want HHH to win a lot of his matches, and seem hard to beat, so that when he eventually does lose clean it is a much bigger deal. And at the same time, he also does a lot of selling for his opponents in the ring, and quite often makes himself look weaker than his opponent, and at times the way its booked, He will need help from someone, like Flair at the moment, to be able to win his matches.
Plus, even if he is holding people back to "protect his position", pretty much every big name in the business has allegedly done the same, and a lot of them aren't complained about.
A lot of complaints have been made about the whole Necrophilia thing, but I think HHH has done a good job in helping it entertaining, something which Kane hasn't been able to do. Most of HHH's promos about it have had a few funny moments, and the bit of sex with Katie Vick, which thankfully we didnt have to see in full, I think in the UK we got the better of it as I think it was a good segment without showing the actual intercourse.
Sure, There are a couple of other big names on Raw worthy of holding the title, namely Booker T and Chris Jericho(notice no mention of Kane or RVD), but I think if Booker is to win it, it should be built up a bit longer, and I don't see a heel Jericho beating a heel HHH for it, unless it's in the Elimination Chamber, so for him to win it one of them would have to turn. But personally, I think HHH is the best choice on Raw at this moment to hold the belt.
I think that a lot of the criticism of HHH is unfair, and I'm just waiting for similar claims to be made about someone like Angle or Benoit, then see all the big fans of these guys on the net turn against them, just like they have done to HHH(remember when everyone seemed to love him in 2000?).
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09-11-2002, 05:47 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
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hhh should job to any and every wrestler that wants to kick his ass!
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09-11-2002, 06:09 PM
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I'm just waiting for similar claims to be made about someone like Angle or Benoit, then see all the big fans of these guys on the net turn against them, just like they have done to HHH(remember when everyone seemed to love him in 2000?).
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Claims of HHH holding guys down are nothing new, they've been around since 2000 but HHH still got praise from the "net" because of the quality of what he was doing in the ring.
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09-11-2002, 06:34 PM
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I'm sort of in the middle on the Triple H debate.
I still think he is a good worker who with the right people can have match of the year matches. I also think that too much is made of the power he has backstage. It does seem he has too much power backstage but I don't think it is to the extent some would have us believe.
The fact is Triple H hasn't been the same performer since he has returned. I think that is mainly the reason why a lot of the people are criticising him. The rest are just merely jumping on the bandwagon.
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09-11-2002, 06:46 PM
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HHH carried the ball in 2000 and did it well, he waited for his time behind Michaels, Bret and company and did the right corporate thing, with the right people.
Now i think, he has to remember he owes alot to the people above him then who put him over and gave him his spotlight now, however he also has to realise that he is now in that position, that Shawn and Bret were, and needs to help to put the other talent over not just the returning Michaels.
The problem for us now is that he is in a position of power (the awarding of the title tells us that) and this means we have to like it or lump it, the day he starts to put people over Satan will be wearing a duffle coat.
Does anyone think anyone of the five will take that title at SS *** i certainley dont!
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10-11-2002, 01:14 PM
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'Put him in panto as Pinnochio', ha ha, darth noble, I like your style!
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