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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaolinHandLock View Post
    Really? Then why do I feel guilty every time I think of it?
    Because like I said you are the product of post Victorian thinking that sex is something that needs to be confined to the sphere's of married couples and never brought up in the public sphere. it goes back to Reformation era where churches began taking an interest in the desire about sex but prohibited the actual talking about sex. They expected that people explain every facet of their sexual desires while not letting them talk about sex. This furthered the discourse on the mechanics of sex while paradoxically refusing to acknowledge sex itself. Sex became a bad thing and the desires behind it were moved to become a scientific forumla while those who had sex were removed to spheres of prostitution or psychiatry. From this they began creating many different ideas about sex, such as pedophilia. Prior to a point it has just been sex until people began taking a renewed interest in sex. Consider for example that once a simple minded farmhand in France in 1867 was arrested for paying for simple sex services from farm hands. he and everyone else had done this and been doing this forever yet they suddenly took interest in the mundane affairs of everyday sex life. the man was imprisoned and then institutionalized to try and understand how he worked. Sex began to turn to being dependent on someones personality, which also saw the rise of the term homosexuality, how these people who happened to like those of the same gender were institutionalized and their bodies studied to try and understand how they work.

    Going back to the Catholic church it began a trend in which Children were asked about sex in questions that were roundabout and vague. Children were expected to know examine there sexuality while not being allowed to acknowledge their sexuality. Soon it moved into the public school sphere and the sex of a schoolboy became the intense scrutiny of the public sphere. Children were forbidden from knowing anything about sex and the attempts to limit discussion about it. Boys and girl were separated and placed under intense scrutiny to try and limit discussion on it. But this only worked to increase discussion on it while they were forced to think about it as bad. And thus we lost the classic age of something like Erasmus advising his students on the best selection of a prostitute.

    Consider sex education in schools if anything at all. Kids go into class wanting to know about it and they are just taught about sex is that women have uterus and ovaries and that men have testicles and are shown pictures that resemble the real world like nothing. They aren't allowed to talk about the real mechanics of sex and taught that it's just a science.

    So in summary you feel guilty about it because you are the product of a society where you were taught to not talk about sex but at the same time expected to understand every facet of it. So this produces a feeling of guilt because you live in a society that forbids you from openly acknowledging sex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Spears View Post
    Because like I said you are the product of post Victorian thinking that sex is something that needs to be confined to the sphere's of married couples and never brought up in the public sphere.
    I don't think it should be confined to married couples.....


    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Spears View Post
    They expected that people explain every facet of their sexual desires while not letting them talk about sex. This furthered the discourse on the mechanics of sex while paradoxically refusing to acknowledge sex itself. Sex became a bad thing and the desires behind it were moved to become a scientific forumla while those who had sex were removed to spheres of prostitution or psychiatry. From this they began creating many different ideas about sex, such as pedophilia. Prior to a point it has just been sex until people began taking a renewed interest in sex. Consider for example that once a simple minded farmhand in France in 1867 was arrested for paying for simple sex services from farm hands. he and everyone else had done this and been doing this forever yet they suddenly took interest in the mundane affairs of everyday sex life. the man was imprisoned and then institutionalized to try and understand how he worked. Sex began to turn to being dependent on someones personality, which also saw the rise of the term homosexuality, how these people who happened to like those of the same gender were institutionalized and their bodies studied to try and understand how they work.
    Um.....okay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Spears View Post
    Going back to the Catholic church it began a trend in which Children were asked about sex in questions that were roundabout and vague. Children were expected to know examine there sexuality while not being allowed to acknowledge their sexuality. Soon it moved into the public school sphere and the sex of a schoolboy became the intense scrutiny of the public sphere. Children were forbidden from knowing anything about sex and the attempts to limit discussion about it. Boys and girl were separated and placed under intense scrutiny to try and limit discussion on it. But this only worked to increase discussion on it while they were forced to think about it as bad. And thus we lost the classic age of something like Erasmus advising his students on the best selection of a prostitute.
    Fair enough, but I don't see what that has to do with porn.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Spears View Post
    Consider sex education in schools if anything at all. Kids go into class wanting to know about it and they are just taught about sex is that women have uterus and ovaries and that men have testicles and are shown pictures that resemble the real world like nothing. They aren't allowed to talk about the real mechanics of sex and taught that it's just a science.
    That I agree with somewhat. I mean, I had no idea what a womens privates looked like until someone posted a rude picture on a website I went to. That was a couple of years ago.....I'd only seen a diagram previously.

    However, I don't necessarily agree about the talking about it, I mean, my health teacher was very open and talked about it more then what you say.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Spears View Post
    So in summary you feel guilty about it because you are the product of a society where you were taught to not talk about sex but at the same time expected to understand every facet of it. So this produces a feeling of guilt because you live in a society that forbids you from openly acknowledging sex.
    I'm not entirely sure I agree with this either. I mean, my parents have been pretty open about sex the few times we've discussed it, and as I said, my High School health teacher was pretty open about it too.

    Still, I feel very uncomfortable talking about it.....

    EDIT - And one last thing, what does this have to do with porn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaolinHandLock View Post
    People keep calling where I live the "nanny state", so I guess this fits it.....



    Really? Then why do I feel guilty every time I think of it?
    Seriously, guilt is not a natural reaction to thoughts of sex, it's a learned behaviour. At some point, you've been conditioned by some very backwards people. Did you go to a faith school, by any chance?

    What it has to do with porn is simple. Masturbation is a normal sexual activity, and porn is an aid to that. Unless you have something seriously biologically wrong with you, failure to masturbate often will result in some really "sticky" dreams. Personally, I find that more disgusting and dirty than any normal porn.

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    I dont think I've heard anyone use the word "discourse" in an actual, real life conversation. That creeps me out far more than sex or a lack thereof.

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    Shao... porn isnt illegal in Australia mate (well, certain things are, but not most of it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpddave View Post
    Thats a good thing

    You should try it, start at the tame stuff like 4 dudes and one underdeveloped asian chick or a woman with a horse or something though before you watch any of the hardcore stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by etz View Post
    Seriously, guilt is not a natural reaction to thoughts of sex, it's a learned behaviour. At some point, you've been conditioned by some very backwards people. Did you go to a faith school, by any chance?
    No I didn't go to a faith school.

    And it's not really a guilty feeling when I think of sex, it's more of a guilty feeling after I've thought of it.....it doesn't happen all the time either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darkstar View Post
    Shao... porn isnt illegal in Australia mate (well, certain things are, but not most of it).
    Are you sure?
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    As long as you're over 18 years old you can walk into a store and buy porn, mate. I could do it tomorrow if I chose. Its legal.

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    Yes Shao, I'm sure. You guys have some odd laws around it, but its fine.


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    There's a joke about people going to Canberra just to buy fireworks and porn (where both are only legally sold), but like the page says, in practice its everywhere.

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