H-H-Hollywood

[Simon]

Just reading this recently and it made me laugh very loudly. As the Rock is currently being considered for a main role in Predator 3....

Taken from Rajahwwf.com

Sources in the movie biz are saying that Triple H and Stephanie McMahon have been speaking to producers and casting directors around Hollywood. The thing is that many people in that industry don’t really know who Triple H is. Many wrestlers are really not as lucky as The Rock and Steve Austin, who were able to land a few good roles and really be noticed all over the entertainment industry, The Rock being the most fortunate. Hunter seems to be surprised that he isn’t viewed as being a big star.

BWHAHAH. Get that round you big nose. Manufacture your own fame if you must, but wrestling isn't in anymore, and even if it was you have the charisma of a kiwi fruit.

Plus apparently HHH is set to turn face again soon. May God have mercy on our souls.

[Seabass]

hahahaahaha...something to use against HHH marky marks :devil
i do feel a bit saddened for HHH...until look back at his 9+ month title reign :D

[Alan]

Obviously all that tv time he has been hogging has not helped him in the slightest! maybe he will take note?

[Anime_Otaku]

what was Austin in?

[Ravenmark]

as far as i know Austin was in 'Nash Bridges'.

I heard somewhere that Triple H has a part in 'Blade:Trinity'.

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by AlanJP
Obviously all that tv time he has been hogging has not helped him in the slightest! maybe he will take note?

Sometimes I think people don't actually watch the shows. Either that, or they're so brainwashed by HHH-bashers that they can't see straight.

Austin hogs MORE time on Raw than HHH does, and HHH is the champion!!

Austin doesn't even wrestle, yet inserts himself into almost EVERY angle on the show!

He also continually puts himself over wrestlers like Jericho, Kane etc by stunning them and beating them up.

On the other hand, HHH makes every other wrestler out to be better than him, thus making them look good.

Any non-biased person can see Austin is far far worse than HHH ever has been.

Ed

[Simon]

Ed have you lost the plot? At least Austin is entertaining... while youre at it, why not mention the TV time Vince hogs, the TV time Stephanie hogs and so on.

Austin's part of an angle... and his angle doesn't involve making other workers look like pieces of crap, unlike Mr. H's, so he's getting TV time for it.

If Austin was wrestling and making guys job to him I'd say fair enough, but otherwise theres no comparison to be made here.

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by Simon
Ed have you lost the plot? At least Austin is entertaining...

Perhaps we have differing ideas of what's entertaining. I don't call using up 30mins of a PPV by showing about 10 scenes of him giving someone beer and food till he throws up as entertaining!!

Or coming out ruining matches by getting the audience to chant "boring".

Or coming out and stunning wrestlers to put himself over.


Originally posted by Simon
Austin's part of an angle... and his angle doesn't involve making other workers look like pieces of crap, unlike Mr. H's, so he's getting TV time for it.

Austin's problem is he's part of EVERY angle. He's been involved with HHH v Nash, Jericho, Kane v RVD, Bischoff v Shane, Lance Storm, HHH in EC etc etc.

And EVERY time he interferes, he makes the wrestlers look weak and or stupid.

Imagine if Vince came down the ring every week and hit a finisher on Angle or Lesnar and left them laying in the ring while he drunk beer.


Originally posted by Simon
If Austin was wrestling and making guys job to him I'd say fair enough, but otherwise theres no comparison to be made here.

They ARE jobbing to him, just not in matches!! They're still taking his finisher and not getting anything back on him.

You wonder why Jericho's not in main events? Probably because non-wrestling co-GM's can hit them with one finisher and they're down!

Austin hasn't put a single person over or made them look good since he became co-GM. He's also wasted countless minutes of time on stuff that DOESN'T HAPPEN!!

Remember the "lines of defence" Bischoff set up? They spent all night talking about Austin and how they'd stop him, and at the last moment cancelled it all and let him drive to the ring!!

Clearly Austin just wants him name mentioning every 5 mins to keep people hearing it.

Ed

[Alan]

Originally posted by Simon
Ed have you lost the plot? At least Austin is entertaining... while youre at it, why not mention the TV time Vince hogs, the TV time Stephanie hogs and so on.

Austin's part of an angle... and his angle doesn't involve making other workers look like pieces of crap, unlike Mr. H's, so he's getting TV time for it.

If Austin was wrestling and making guys job to him I'd say fair enough, but otherwise theres no comparison to be made here.

Simon beat me to the reply, and said most of what i wanted to.

Perhaps we have differing ideas of what's entertaining. I don't call using up 30mins of a PPV by showing about 10 scenes of him giving someone beer and food till he throws up as entertaining!!

Ed, do you call coming out each week, putting no-one over except his buddies, writing himself into storylines that make the most out of him, and jabbering like a gimboid for 20 mins entertaining? then yes we have different ideas of what is entertaining.

They ARE jobbing to him, just not in matches!! They're still taking his finisher and not getting anything back on him.

Right thanks to Mrs McMahons "ruling" he cant touch anyone unless he is physically provoked, which hasnt been too many people since has it? We aint seeing as many stunners lately, so he is obviously letting up!

[TMJ]

Originally posted by Ed_666
On the other hand, HHH makes every other wrestler out to be better than him, thus making them look good.

ROTFLMMFAO :lol

Are you serious? Who has he made look good? He made Booker, RVD, Kane and Maven look like pissants, when three of them were ready for a main event title run and one was and still is on his way to a strong mid-card status (say what you will, but Maven knows the fundimentals well and is working hard to improve). He couldn't carry Steiner or Nash like good wrestlers can. Hell, Test carried Steiner better. He gave Hurricane a bit of offense and made him look ok, but most of that is credit to The Rock, who made Helms look like a star (not that Helms isn't great by himself.. but it's always nice to receive a rub). He had "good" battles with HBK, due to HBK and the aura around his return, and has been pretty worthless over the year.

Now I'm not saying Austin is any better. I for one am pigsick of seeing Coach, Snow, Lawler, JR, and Austin getting loads of TV time. The Bischoff/Austin feud is good and all, seeing how they have great chemistry, but don't make it the centrefocus. I agree that Austin takes up a lot of TV time.

But to say HHH helps his opponents is just funny as f*ck.

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by draVen
ROTFLMMFAO :lol

Are you serious? Who has he made look good? He made Booker, RVD, Kane and Maven look like pissants,

[snip]

But to say HHH helps his opponents is just funny as f*ck.

See, this is the sort of rubbish which spoils lists.

I gave my opinion, and I BACKED UP WITH EVIDENCE.

Draven then posts, laughs at me, and posts sweeping remarks about what HHH has done, without ANY notes as to what he means.

The main reason for this is there isn't any evidence of him treating RVD Kane or Booker T that way, so he just laughs and spouts random sentences as if they're facts that we all know.

Needing Flair's help and a sledgehammer to beat people makes them look good. So what did he do to make them look bad?

Ed

[TMJ]

Sorry, I so remember you saying how he made all his opponents look good...

oh wait, NO YOU DIDN'T!!!

[TMJ]

How did he make them look bad?

- Lack of offense.
- Making himself look indestructable during the buildup while his opponents looked like imbeciles (see Kane and Booker T - as much as the storylines were writers ideas, HHH controls how he acts, and he showed no signs of typical heel weakness like all good heels do (except when Steiner, Nash and Michaels were involved).
- Kicking out of finishers and nailing one of his own finishing moves to win it no questions asked. Thats how you book a face, not a heel. A combination of his fault and the writers.


How did he make them look good?
- He was in the ring with them and "gave them the rub".

Doesn't work that way, unfortunately.

[Seabass]

Originally posted by Ed_666

Needing Flair's help and a sledgehammer to beat people makes them look good. So what did he do to make them look bad?


made Booker T lay down for like 20 secs after HHH hit the pedigree, while HHH was crawling, then HHH pinned him w/o Booker T kicking out (wouldn't have a problem with this, except Booker T hit his finiaher, and only got a near count)

Katie Vick Stroyline.... nuff said

put steiner in horrible segments

one shot with the sledgehammer and Goldberg is down...no way i ain't buying it

also, by saying HHH always hits people...your saying HHH is an ineffective champion...god i just repeated myself

[Joe Reilly]

Originally posted by Ed_666
The main reason for this is there isn't any evidence of him treating RVD Kane or Booker T that wayEd

Ed, wake up, when did he make Booker T look good?

He buried Booker T in the worst way possible at WM! Don't invent arguments just to prove your point!

HHH kicked out of everything Booker T had, while Booker T didn't get to kick out of a pedigree followed up by a really long crawl by HHH before the pin!

Think before you make a point!

[Simon]

Jeez Ed, are you an Illegitimate child of a clique member?

Booker T had everything a WWE star needed, the look, the stupid catchphrases etc... unless you hated the Rock I don't understand where you are coming from.

The business needs a new Rock but how are they supposed to get one when any candidates are being humiliated?

[Alan]

Originally posted by Simon

The business needs a new Rock but how are they supposed to get one when any candidates are being humiliated?

There wont be another Rock while there is someone like HHH near as damn it running Raw! anyone who gets even the slightest bit close to Hunters status and position on the card, he does his best to put them back down. RVD and Booker T are prime examples!

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by Simon
Booker T had everything a WWE star needed, the look, the stupid catchphrases etc... unless you hated the Rock I don't understand where you are coming from.

What about wrestling moves? Doesn't he need them too?

Rock, (whilst being mega-overbooked) at least had some wrestling moves, and knows how to generate excitement.

If you need an example, watch WM-X7 and see his match with Hogan. Neither are great wrestlers, but the match is superb.

Booker T on the other hand has one thing going for him, and that's the spinaroonie. His mic skills are nowhere near Rock's, and 95% of his moves are kicks.

In fact he often manages a whole match with one wrestling move in it.

Say what you want about A-Train or Big Show being crap, but at least they USE wrestling moves!

Ed

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by Joe Reilly
HHH kicked out of everything Booker T had, while Booker T didn't get to kick out of a pedigree followed up by a really long crawl by HHH before the pin!

Now according to you all, that's the exception that proves the rule.

HHH spent the whole fued with Booker T dodging him (as he did with Kane, RVD and everyone else), and running away from him.

Then one thing happens, and you claim this invalidates all the good work he did?

The theory that HHH did it on purpose to bury Booker T is frankly idiotic. Why did he need to bury him? He was beating him anyway! And he wasn't going to continue fueding with him, so it made no difference.

Do you think Vince would allow HHH to bury other people, thus making the company worse off?

There are three reasons why that slow pinfall happened, and they are:

1) Booker T was supposed to kick out, but was injured.
2) Booker T was supposed to kick out, but there was a miscommunication.
3) That's how Vince booked it, to show what a gruelling match it was.

Anything else is just silly.

Ed

[Tajiri]

Say what you want about A-Train or Big Show being crap, but at least they USE wrestling moves!

They do?

[Simon]

I still don't understand why you find it hard to see why HHH would want to make other workers look bad. If I was wanting to stay at the top of the show even though I knew I didn't belong there then I'd be doing it...

And as for Booker T wrestling.... you are seriously claiming the Rock has more wrestling talent than Booker T? And I thought I'd heard it all... where do you get your opinions on wrestling from? Jim Ross?

I keep saying as well, yeh in the feuds HHH would make his opponent look good, but it didnt mean anything in the end because when it comes down to it, the majority of his title defences ended up being squashes at the end of the day... there's no getting round that fact.

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by Simon
I still don't understand why you find it hard to see why HHH would want to make other workers look bad. If I was wanting to stay at the top of the show even though I knew I didn't belong there then I'd be doing it...

Because the bookers are in charge of who's pushed, so for what you're saying to be effective he'd have to convince the bookers that Booker (or whoever) was rubbish.

Do you really think that by waiting 10 secs to cover Booker T the bookers would think that Booker was rubbish?

The bookers wouldn't be fooled, would they? They only people who might think less of Booker would be the fans, and since his popularity is as high as ever, that hasn't happened either.

I can see why someone would WANT to stay top of the card, but the ways you're suggesting he does it are completely irrelevent to who's top of the card.

Originally posted by Simon
And as for Booker T wrestling.... you are seriously claiming the Rock has more wrestling talent than Booker T? And I thought I'd heard it all... where do you get your opinions on wrestling from? Jim Ross?

No, I never said that, although I don't know for sure. What I said was Rock actually uses wrestling moves. Booker T uses about 3 total even in PPV matches. Other than that his entire match consists of kick, spin kick, dropkick, ax kick, pin.


Originally posted by Simon
I keep saying as well, yeh in the feuds HHH would make his opponent look good, but it didnt mean anything in the end because when it comes down to it, the majority of his title defences ended up being squashes at the end of the day... there's no getting round that fact.

Name one match which ended in a squash (Maven doesn't count)? In every PPV match he put his opponent over as being a threat to his title, but scraped through by cheating. He hasn't pinned anyone clean on PPV (without interfernce) since WM!!

Ed

[TMJ]

I don't think he squashes people, but they definately don't look good because of HHH. No one takes anyone seriously anymore. We all know HHH is gonna retain. Did anyone REALLY believe that RVD or Booker would take the world title? There was hope... but hope doesn't get you very far these days.

[Ed_666]

No, you need wrestling skills (so that's Booker out) and mic skills (RVD too then) to be world champ.

Steiner would have been champ if he hadn't sucked so much. Booker T should never have been near the main event. The only reason he was is cause they'd run out of faces who'd tried and failed to raise themselves.

Ed

[TMJ]

Mic skills yeah. But wrestling ability? *cough* Hogan, Diesel, Sgt Slaughter, Ultimate Warrior. Compared to them, Booker T is freakin' Bret Hart. As I told ya, he's over, charismatic, and fans buy him as a title competitior - or at least they did. Not anymore.. and I'm not surprised the way he and Christian were booked.

[Seabass]

a lot of People beleived (including me) Booker T would win the world title

Reason why Booker T was main eventing was because he was over, and had the skills to be a champ...least that's what i thought. Just seems he was cannon fodder to make HHH look good

[Simon]

Ed, ever heard of WCW?

Want to know how it died? Because wrestlers, such as Kevin Nash, Scott Hall and Hogan practically TOLD the bookers what to do even if it was wrong (ie. Goldberg situation) And we all know wrestlers, even the nicest workers, can sometimes draw the line over what they will do and what they won't do.

So to claim that HHH has to do what the bookers tell him to is unfounded. He's Stephanie McMahon's husband, and if she's even trying to help him in getting a role in a Hollywood film, what makes you think she might not have a conflicted interest as part of the Smackdown booking squad and try and help him out at work too?

There is no way on hell you can deny that if HHH was asked to put someone over and he said no that he would have a very... very good chance of getting out of doing the job to someone.

[Walshy]

HHH holding talent down!! Next you'll be telling me that Zach Gowen only has 1 leg!! :D

[kessler]

i think hhh has a case to answer for when it comes to booker and rvd but to try and imply it was his fault steiner bombed (clearly down to his lack of ring work since their segments were great till they got in the ring) or for the necrophilia angle is pushing it to the absurd levels.

[Simon]

Blaming him for Steiner would indeed be crossing the line I'll admit that. :P

And the way the feud was written didn't really help anyone did it. Ahh... the memories.... pose-downs and arm-wrestling matches. Yay!

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by Simon
Ed, ever heard of WCW?

Want to know how it died? Because wrestlers, such as Kevin Nash, Scott Hall and Hogan practically TOLD the bookers what to do even if it was wrong (ie. Goldberg situation) And we all know wrestlers, even the nicest workers, can sometimes draw the line over what they will do and what they won't do.

But we all know Vince would never allow stuff like that to go on in WWE. Do you really think he'd let someone stay champ for most of a year if Vince wanted him to drop the belt? Or if he thought he could make more money with someone else as champ?

Originally posted by Simon
So to claim that HHH has to do what the bookers tell him to is unfounded. He's Stephanie McMahon's husband, and if she's even trying to help him in getting a role in a Hollywood film, what makes you think she might not have a conflicted interest as part of the Smackdown booking squad and try and help him out at work too?

See, you've answered your own question there. For a start, of course she'll help him get a job in Hollywood. Who wouldn't help their partner get a job.

As far as Steph helping him in WWE goes, like I said, you answered your own question - she wouldn't be doing it cause it's a conflict of interests, and even if she was unprofessional enough (which I don't beleive) to do it, do you think Vince would allow her to?

This is Vince McMahon who apparently put his own Dad out of business, why would he allow his daughter to act unprofessionally?

Also, as you said, she's on the SD booking team, not the Raw one, so how would she help?

Originally posted by Simon
There is no way on hell you can deny that if HHH was asked to put someone over and he said no that he would have a very... very good chance of getting out of doing the job to someone.

It depends how much Vince wanted him to drop the belt. If Vince says "what do you think about dropping the title to xxx and then winning it back again", HHH could say "how about I don't drop it, and do this instead" and would have to convince Vince that was the best plan.

If Vince says "you must drop the belt", HHH has no option but to agree because otherwise he'd be ruining his career, and future by falling out with not only his boss but his future father in law.

Ed

[TMJ]

Vince would do anything to keep his main eventers happy. You think he wanted to lose Austin last year? How about when the Undertaker decided to convince Vince that losing to Brock at Unforgiven was against the code of protecting main eventers, on PPV of all things? Vince knew that a screw job main event would leave many people unhappy, and not in the SS97-way. But Vince was more wanting to keep Taker happy. Vince is softer than you think when it comes to his top guys, especially when they are linked to his little baby girl. Just look at the Clique.

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by draVen
Vince would do anything to keep his main eventers happy. You think he wanted to lose Austin last year? How about when the Undertaker decided to convince Vince that losing to Brock at Unforgiven was against the code of protecting main eventers, on PPV of all things? Vince knew that a screw job main event would leave many people unhappy, and not in the SS97-way. But Vince was more wanting to keep Taker happy. Vince is softer than you think when it comes to his top guys, especially when they are linked to his little baby girl. Just look at the Clique.

That's actually a bad example, because UT and Vince were both correct.

The plan was for Lesnar to have another match with UT, and beat him in HiaC.

Now if he'd beaten him the first time, that wouldn't have given any reason for there to be HiaC.

Also, jobbing twice would make UT look bad, for no gain.

The fact that UT jobbed clean in HiaC shows that he was willing to do the job, and it made more sense for him not to lose the first match, or there wouldn't have been as much interest in whether Lesnar could beat him.

Ed

[TMJ]

There are ways to protect your main eventer without going to a non-finish and ripping off every single person in the arena. Brock could have cheated to win, then Taker beat him up afterwards - Taker could have won, then Lesnar call Taker a cheater and request a match at HIAC - hell, even do a Dusty Finish lol. But just throwing a match away is a rip off. I was embarresed to watch that match.

[Ed_666]

Well that's the booker's fault, not UT. My point was UT not wanting to job twice at consecutive PPV's to Lesnar was hardly an instance of refusing to put someone over.

Ed

[Dickie Hyde]

Originally posted by Ed_666
Sometimes I think people don't actually watch the shows. Either that, or they're so brainwashed by HHH-bashers that they can't see straight.

Austin hogs MORE time on Raw than HHH does, and HHH is the champion!!

Austin doesn't even wrestle, yet inserts himself into almost EVERY angle on the show!

He also continually puts himself over wrestlers like Jericho, Kane etc by stunning them and beating them up.

On the other hand, HHH makes every other wrestler out to be better than him, thus making them look good.

Any non-biased person can see Austin is far far worse than HHH ever has been.

Ed


I TOTALLY DISAGREE...

[Simon]

I still think Ed you underestimate the influence guys like HHH will have over Vince. Just read Hogan's book (if you can stand the pain) to see how much influence they can have.

For instance, Hogan came up with a hell of a lot of the finishes (eg. WM IV he came up with the run in to attack Dibiase, the finish to WM IX etc) which dramatically changed the consequences of those said matches. He even came up with the Sgt. Slaughter heel turn so he could be in the main event of Wrestlemania VII facing him.

What you have to realise is now these days, whilst they ain't a Hogan or Rock, Taker and HHH are 2 guys who have Vince's ear, for different reasons (eg. Stephanie, loyalty, whatever... you name it). To deny that they have no influence over the bookers is therefore a bit naive I'd have to say.

And yeh, if Vince did want HHH to drop the belt then of course he would have to... but Vince would no doubt be easily talked into thinking him holding onto the belt would be good for business, thanks to HHH's backstage power.

Backstage politics are in every federation, I've heard countless wrestlers say it... to deny that they don't exist in the WWE is silly.

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by Simon
I still think Ed you underestimate the influence guys like HHH will have over Vince. Just read Hogan's book (if you can stand the pain) to see how much influence they can have.

For instance, Hogan came up with a hell of a lot of the finishes (eg. WM IV he came up with the run in to attack Dibiase, the finish to WM IX etc) which dramatically changed the consequences of those said matches. He even came up with the Sgt. Slaughter heel turn so he could be in the main event of Wrestlemania VII facing him.

You've got to remember that most of that stuff was 10 or more years ago when Hogan was pretty much the only big star they had, so he could have influence.

Nowadays there are plenty of big names, and no rival to go to, so Vince has no fear of losing someone to the opposition if he doesn't keep them happy.

I'm sure he's also learnt from the Hogan thing.

Originally posted by Simon
What you have to realise is now these days, whilst they ain't a Hogan or Rock, Taker and HHH are 2 guys who have Vince's ear, for different reasons (eg. Stephanie, loyalty, whatever... you name it). To deny that they have no influence over the bookers is therefore a bit naive I'd have to say.

Yes, they have Vince's ear, and they can suggest things to him when perhaps others can't. But they're only suggestions. If the bookers come up with an idea that HHH doesn't like, he can't get them to change it unless he suggests a better idea.

If he does, great, he's improved the show.

Originally posted by Simon
And yeh, if Vince did want HHH to drop the belt then of course he would have to... but Vince would no doubt be easily talked into thinking him holding onto the belt would be good for business, thanks to HHH's backstage power.


HHH has no backstage power over Vince!! And do you think Vince is stupid enough to be talked into stuff for a WHOLE YEAR if it was bad for business?

Also, you've got to remember that if HHH was doing it, Vince would twig pretty soon, and I'm sure he'd be pissed about it, future son in law or not.


Originally posted by Simon
Backstage politics are in every federation, I've heard countless wrestlers say it... to deny that they don't exist in the WWE is silly.

I'm not saying it doesn't go on, but when it comes to Vince and the bookers, HHH's say it very minimal.

Ed

[Tajiri]

Vince takes very little creative envolment these days, it isn't like ECW were you had Heyman and Dreamer booking every last detail of the show, WWE is a big company, the only noteable thing he does is give the greenlight for the major parts of the show, booking meetings are led Bryan Gertdick overseen by Stephanie.

HHH "backstage power" revolves around how highly his creative opinions are valued. If HHH pitches an idea at a booking meeting then people are going to take it into serious consideration because of his status, if HHH reflects badly on a worker or there potential people listen.

[El Selecta]

Looking at the ratings figuers, it is quite obvious that HHH's extended title run is hurting busines. HHH is hurting himself, his opponents and RAW. By doing screw jobs on everyone it makes him look like a shit champion and makes his opponents look even worse.
Booker T is a great wrestler e.g. when did you last see HHH do a top rop flipping leg drop. Has more mike skill than most of RAW put together and has been crazy over for about 3 years. Why he has never held a proper title in WWF/E is beyond me. As for RVD not having mic skills, have you ever seen his ECW stuff. Some of the best promos I have ever seen. Just because he doesn't talk for 20 mins at a time, it doesn't mean he can't work a mic.
HHH is the main reason i don't bother watching RAW any more.

[Simon]

There was nothing for Vince to learn from the Hogan thing... after all when has Vince ended up listening to main eventers and not making money (apart from the clique 1995 nonsense)? Vince has never had a WCW experience so there's no reason for him not to try and please his main eventers.

At the end of the day, yes they are only suggestions that get made by Taker, HHH and co... but you really need to wake up and realise that the bookers really can't make these guys do jack shit if they don't want to. Obviously Vince will get the last word with title changes he wants etc, but he will be easily swayed on small things that add up such as finishes to matches... if he even has anything to do with them like Tajiri said.

If HHH doesn't want to job to RVD, he won't have to. If Taker doesn't want to job to Cena, he won't have to. The only way they would have to is if Vince was wanting to push the hell out of either RVD or Cena ala Lesnar style.

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by Simon
If HHH doesn't want to job to RVD, he won't have to. If Taker doesn't want to job to Cena, he won't have to. The only way they would have to is if Vince was wanting to push the hell out of either RVD or Cena ala Lesnar style.

You are aware that Vince has final say on EVERYTHING, and reads EVERY part of EVERY show and approves it?

If the bookers suggest HHH jobs to RVD, they put it to Vince. If he agrees, HHH jobs. If he doesn't agree, HHH doesn't job.

It doesn't matter what HHH wants to do. He might be able to get the finish changed (which he'd only do for a good reason), but there's absolutely NO WAY he'd ever be able to get out of a job Vince wanted him to do, unless he came up with a better plan. If he did, then that's ok.

The stupid thing is, you're arguing like these are facts that we all know about HHH constantly changing the finish or refusing to job, but so far I've never seen any reports where HHH was supposed to have changed ANYTHING concerning his own match.

Ed

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by El Selecta
Looking at the ratings figuers, it is quite obvious that HHH's extended title run is hurting busines.

Where exactly do you get this information from? Or is it just the usual made up "facts"?

Check the Raw ratings for the past year, and you'll see that the ratings have been steady. Check the SD ratings for the same time, and you'll see the same thing.

If HHH was the failure you claim, SD ratings would be soaring because of their much better champions, but they're not. So are Lesnar and Angle failures as champs who are hurting the business too?

Or is HHH doing just as well as "favourites" like Angle, and the low ratings are just a result of the business being down.


Originally posted by El Selecta
Booker T is a great wrestler e.g. when did you last see HHH do a top rop flipping leg drop. Has more mike skill than most of RAW put together and has been crazy over for about 3 years. Why he has never held a proper title in WWF/E is beyond me.

Whoopee do!! He does a flipping legdrop twice in 2 years and he's championship material?!

His mic skills are ok, but he's nowhere near the level of people like HHH, Rock or even Austin. 90% of the moves he does are kicks, drop kicks or spinning kicks. He does the odd spinebuster, and sidewalk slam and that's it.

Even Hogan and Big Show do more wrestling moves than that!

Booker is only over because of the spinaroonie, so in total, he's poor in the ring (many of his kicks are badly timed or miss), average on the mic, and only gets over with a dance move.

Rikishi is as over as Booker T, uses more wrestling moves, and similar amount of mic skills. Is he championsip material too?

Ed

[Simon]

Dearie me... you almost drive me to tears with your nonsense Ed. Booker T is clearly a marketable wrestler... and the WWE blew it.

It's like saying 'The Rock was only over because of his eyebrow'. Jeez.

And no Rikishi wouldn't be, because he is a fat man with a big ass, whilst Booker has the big build and the superstar look that the WWE always wants. And don't even start about the wrestling ability, you were sticking up for A-Train in another thread after all...

And finally, yes I know Vince gets final say on everything, but can't you get the point I've been trying to make? Vince will easily be persuaded that perhaps HHH jobbing to RVD isn't such a good idea by big nose himself... or Taker might try and convince Vince that someone like Cena isn't ready for the main event spot. You don't have to hear about specific times where these types of things happen, you know it does. It's part and parcel of the business... politics works. Perhaps the bookers/writers/whatever don't even try and come up with those types of finishes because they know it'll get shoved back in their face.

How is it so hard to believe that Vince will listen to these guys? He will do anything to please his main eventers, and you know it... or on second thoughts maybe you don't. Well, learn it.

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by Simon
Booker T is clearly a marketable wrestler... and the WWE blew it.

It's like saying 'The Rock was only over because of his eyebrow'. Jeez.

And no Rikishi wouldn't be, because he is a fat man with a big ass, whilst Booker has the big build and the superstar look that the WWE always wants. And don't even start about the wrestling ability, you were sticking up for A-Train in another thread after all...

No it's not, because Rock has great mic skills, and actually knows some wrestling moves. He's also got dramatic timing, although he oversells things sometimes.

Can you EVER imagine Booker T v Hogan being a great match? No, it'd be rubbish. Rock v Hogan was amazing though.

Andre the Giant was a fat man, and he was still a huge star for years.

Clearly you have a different definiation of "wrestling ability" than I do, since I consider it to be executing a variety of moves to a certain standard. Kicking is not wrestling. If 90% of your moves are kicks, you are not a good wrestler.

A-Train has power moves to compensate for his lack of speed. Booker T has nothing to compensate for his lack of wrestling moves.

Originally posted by Simon
And finally, yes I know Vince gets final say on everything, but can't you get the point I've been trying to make? Vince will easily be persuaded that perhaps HHH jobbing to RVD isn't such a good idea by big nose himself...

See, this is the type of stupid assumption I'm talking about. You state that "Vince will easily be persuaded" about something you think is bad for business! How stupid do you think Vince is?!

I would imagine it would be VERY HARD to convince Vince to do something which was bad for business.

HHH might do it a couple of times, but for a WHOLE YEAR? Are you crazy? As if Vince would fall for it more than once or twice!!

The only way HHH could convince Vince to keep the belt on him was if it WAS good for business.

Originally posted by Simon
You don't have to hear about specific times where these types of things happen, you know it does. It's part and parcel of the business... politics works.

Oh there's a surprise, you've no evidence whatsoever that it's happened, but you'll accept it readily. Not cause you're biased is it?

Originally posted by Simon
How is it so hard to believe that Vince will listen to these guys? He will do anything to please his main eventers, and you know it...

He has LOTS of main eventers. Do you really think Vince is stupid enough to run his business into the ground to keep ONE happy?

You were saying in another thread that Vince is evil. And now he's willing to throw away thousands of dollars to keep one guy happy? Don't talk rubbish!

Ed

[Tajiri]

Not cause you're biased is it?

It is quite funny that you (and a several other TWO users who bitch and moan about people bad mouthing there beloved HHH)accuse others of being biased when according to you HHH and Vince McMahon are the greatest people alive and gods gift to Pro Wrestling, they are perfect in absloutly every way possible, there is simply nothing they can do wrong.

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by Tajiri
It is quite funny that you (and a several other TWO users who bitch and moan about people bad mouthing there beloved HHH)accuse others of being biased when according to you HHH and Vince McMahon are the greatest people alive and gods gift to Pro Wrestling, they are perfect in absloutly every way possible, there is simply nothing they can do wrong.

Well I can't speak for anyone else, but I've never said anything of the sort, and to suggest it is ludicrous.

Just because we don't slate everything they do (or you think they might do), doesn't mean we think they're perfect or anything else you suggested, does it?

I just believe in credit where it's due, and not slating people for things people assume they do.

Ed

[MrFill]

Originally posted by Ed_666
Booker T on the other hand has one thing going for him, and that's the spinaroonie. His mic skills are nowhere near Rock's, and 95% of his moves are kicks.

Ed
I couldn't resist stepping into this to make a couple of points

Ed's complaining that most of Booker's moves are kicks

Can we look at the last Elimination Chamber - What did HHH do to prove he's World Champ material?

He took a SCM so he could "hide" in his chamber for ages and thus stay out of match, then he threw 5 punches and a Sledge Hammer shot

Now, if you're complaining about Booker being kicks, then HHH is the WORST wrestler on the roster as he only punches on the second biggest PPV of the year!

Also, if you're complaining about workers who do mostly kicks, then Tajiri must be a horrid worker in your books, right?

[Chris2K]

Am I the only person who is experiencing one hell of a dejá vu trip here?

[Cactus Jack]

Originally posted by MrFill
I couldn't resist stepping into this to make a couple of points

Ed's complaining that most of Booker's moves are kicks

Can we look at the last Elimination Chamber - What did HHH do to prove he's World Champ material?

He took a SCM so he could "hide" in his chamber for ages and thus stay out of match, then he threw 5 punches and a Sledge Hammer shot

Now, if you're complaining about Booker being kicks, then HHH is the WORST wrestler on the roster as he only punches on the second biggest PPV of the year!

Also, if you're complaining about workers who do mostly kicks, then Tajiri must be a horrid worker in your books, right?

Have you thought that maybe becuase HHH was injured that he was restricted in what he can do?

[Tajiri]

Am I the only person who is experiencing one hell of a dejá vu trip here?

Well I never thought we would be arguing about Chris Benoit using his backstage power to hold down A-Train or Big Show being a better wrestler than Booker T.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Cactus Jack
Have you thought that maybe becuase HHH was injured that he was restricted in what he can do?

And the further thought that occurs is "A Champion restricted in what he can do? GET THE BELT OFF HIM!"

[Chris2K]

When you don't defend a belt for 69 days, and seeing as the '30-day defending' rule has been completely forgotten, how can you drop the title? :roll

[MrFill]

Originally posted by Cactus Jack
Have you thought that maybe becuase HHH was injured that he was restricted in what he can do?
Anyone else who is injured and holds the belt HAS to drop it - look at Booker

But HHH gets to keep his, even though he can't work a proper match

What would everyone say if Taker had the belt when he needed elbow surgery, won a match with 5 punches to hold onto the belt... Or the same for Brock?

He SHOULD have dropped the belt to Goldberg until he could work again, but he didn't!

Sorry, 5 punches to retain the World Title is just a joke, plain and simple

[Cactus Jack]

I totally agree that Goldberg should have got the title. However, I personally feel him winning has given the fued extra bite, seeing as how predictable Goldberg winning appears to have seen.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Cactus Jack
I totally agree that Goldberg should have got the title. However, I personally feel him winning has given the fued extra bite, seeing as how predictable Goldberg winning appears to have seen.

Fair enough - as long as we forget the 30-day rule and just general booking practices, i.e.: The Champ should be the draw! (This isn't spoken [typed] perjoratively towards you, Jack).

So, if we forget these things then G'berg's win (assuming he does win - scary thought if he doesn't!) at the next PPV will be all the more sweet.

[Cactus Jack]

Just out of interest, has anyone thought that WWE might book HHH to hold the title for ages to purposely annoy fans, so that we he finally does drop it the recepient has a huge momentum going?

[Simon]

This is really starting to get on my tits now.

POLITICS EXIST IN WRESTLING. If you actually read the stuff not doctored by the WWE concerning the business then you might realise that. I urge you to read some interviews from ex-WWE, and even current WWE wrestlers... and not just the 'bitter' ones.

The day when being annoyed at getting fired whilst having more talent than most of the roster makes you 'bitter' by default is a sad day you know.

I'm not saying Vince is stupid, I'm merely stating that you're making him out to be the Albert Einstein of wrestling. And as for the 'loads of main eventers' he has... here's who he has that would fall into the category of being in the main event for a long enough period to have 'stroke':

Undertaker
HHH
Kurt Angle
Steve Austin (if you still count him as a wrestler).
Ric Flair

And thats probably about it. They are his main guys, and he'll do his best to keep them happy. When there are so many sources that back this up, using the old the 'what do you smart marks know?' argument is getting a bit weak.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Cactus Jack
Just out of interest, has anyone thought that WWE might book HHH to hold the title for ages to purposely annoy fans, so that we he finally does drop it the recepient has a huge momentum going?

GIR radio certainly seems to think so.

*Goes into Sherlock Holmes mode*

Holmes: Well you see, Watson, when one reduces the possibilities in a case down and one is left with one possible answer: it must be the correct one."

*Back to normal*

I don't get to watch very much WWE nowadays (no Sky and all) but even reading about HHH's title reign has tired me out. How I long for the day when I can read about him losing the title...

[kessler]

i cannot believe someone actually went as far as to compare booker's overall talent to an injured hhh and attempted to claim that hhh's performance in a match while injured proved booker was a good worker. honestly, there's stretching logic and then there's just pushing it to the point of being warped.

booker is not the greatest in the ring. he's entertaining but his time came and went. hhh is not on great form but nobody can seriously try and make an argument about his performance while injured and try to claim that it somehow shows how booker is a better worker. i dunno what's going on with that type of thinking, i really don't.

[MrFill]

Originally posted by kessler
i cannot believe someone actually went as far as to compare booker's overall talent to an injured hhh and attempted to claim that hhh's performance in a match while injured proved booker was a good worker. honestly, there's stretching logic and then there's just pushing it to the point of being warped.

booker is not the greatest in the ring. he's entertaining but his time came and went. hhh is not on great form but nobody can seriously try and make an argument about his performance while injured and try to claim that it somehow shows how booker is a better worker. i dunno what's going on with that type of thinking, i really don't.
I'm not comparing their talent at that point, BUT during the SS match he only threw 5 punches!

How can a World Champ be defended, when he's meant to be the "best in the business", for keeping the belt after FIVE PUNCHES on the second biggest pay per view of the year??

If people complain about Booker's work-rate because he "only does kicks", then if someone hadn't seen wrestling in a while (as with some of the people we watched it with) then they'd judge his wrestling (lack of) ability on that match

If you're judging Booker's COMPLETE talent on his recent work, then we should be able to judge HHH on his last few matches! You're only as good as your last work!!!

Again, if he's not capable of working, then someone else should have the belt while he's recovering - especially if we have to see him in those incontinent pants :P

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by MrFill
I'm not comparing their talent at that point, BUT during the SS match he only threw 5 punches!

How can a World Champ be defended, when he's meant to be the "best in the business", for keeping the belt after FIVE PUNCHES on the second biggest pay per view of the year??

I would imagine the reason for that is they want Goldberg to win the title PROPERLY, i.e. in a singles match which is longer than about 3 mins.

If he'd have won the title at SS he'd have nowhere to go since he's just pinned all the other guys with 2 moves! Who would he fued with?

Plus, if they are building up to Kane v Goldberg, they have to finish Kane's fued with Shane/RVD first, so waiting another month, where Goldberg can have a proper match with HHH, AND has a challenger lined up suits everyone.


Originally posted by MrFill
If people complain about Booker's work-rate because he "only does kicks", then if someone hadn't seen wrestling in a while (as with some of the people we watched it with) then they'd judge his wrestling (lack of) ability on that match

If you're judging Booker's COMPLETE talent on his recent work, then we should be able to judge HHH on his last few matches! You're only as good as your last work!!!


I'm not judging him on one match though, that's completely stupid. I'm judging him on his last year's work, which has all been the same.

Ed

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by MrFill
Also, if you're complaining about workers who do mostly kicks, then Tajiri must be a horrid worker in your books, right?

No, because Tajiri has UNIQUE moves that no-one else does (apart from Rey stealing the tarantula the other day!) like the tarantula, handspring elbow, octopus, and some cool tornado DDT's.

Even though his gimmick is a martial artist, he still does many more wrestling moves than Booker T.

Ed

[Tajiri]

The thing about holding of the the title change untill HHH is ready is that he still wont be anywhere near ready by Unforgiven, the best WWE can hope for is to keep the match around 10 minutes of brawling, I hope they do that, we dont need a repeat of Hogan going nearly 30 minutes at Backlash last year.

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by Tajiri
The thing about holding of the the title change untill HHH is ready is that he still wont be anywhere near ready by Unforgiven, the best WWE can hope for is to keep the match around 10 minutes of brawling, I hope they do that, we dont need a repeat of Hogan going nearly 30 minutes at Backlash last year.

He can't be THAT badly injured or he'd have forfeited the belt.

Oh yes, if HHH has got such a big ego, why didn't he forfeit the belt, and let someone win it in the EC without him? That way he wouldn't have to job for Goldberg?

According to your Bret stance, HHH would be entirely justified in not jobbing to Goldberg, because Goldberg said he wouldn't job to HHH, right?

HHH is a model professional, and wants to do things the right way.

Ed

[Tajiri]

Considering the guy pulled up during a house show match and couldn't even do a pedigree on Raw due to the injury its safe to say he's going to struggle at Unforgiven.

HHH is a model professional, and wants to do things the right way.

If thats the case then he would be more than willing to use the creative input he has in the company to help elevate some of the younger guys and midcard workers, must be some force of evil at work stopping this from happening, my guess is its that no good Benoit using his backstage powers.

[kessler]

Originally posted by MrFill

How can a World Champ be defended, when he's meant to be the "best in the business", for keeping the belt after FIVE PUNCHES on the second biggest pay per view of the year??

If people complain about Booker's work-rate because he "only does kicks", then if someone hadn't seen wrestling in a while (as with some of the people we watched it with) then they'd judge his wrestling (lack of) ability on that match

If you're judging Booker's COMPLETE talent on his recent work, then we should be able to judge HHH on his last few matches! You're only as good as your last work!!!


1 - you'd all moan if he didn't do the match, you all moan when he does the match. i personally think that was the night to put it on goldberg and they missed the boat, but i applaud hhh for going out there and not just forfeiting the title.

2 - if someone's stupid enough to judge a guy's overal ability based on a serverly limited performance due to injury then that'd just be idiotic.

3 - we're all judging booker on his ability on the whole over a longer period of time, same goes for hhh. to say you're only as good as your last match when you were hugely injured in your last match is just a flat out ludicrous comment with absolutely no logical basis to it.

[MrFill]

Originally posted by kessler
1 - you'd all moan if he didn't do the match, you all moan when he does the match. i personally think that was the night to put it on goldberg and they missed the boat, but i applaud hhh for going out there and not just forfeiting the title.
Everybody understood why Booker dropped the title to Christian on a house show - because he's injured

I'd rather see a Champ who can WORK than one that hobbles about... you applaud him for holding onto the belt while injured? Because that's what he did! If he had gone out and dropped the title (because he IS injured), then a lot of people would have been more appreciative - but at the moment, he's an injured Champ who can't work a decent match

2 - if someone's stupid enough to judge a guy's overal ability based on a serverly limited performance due to injury then that'd just be idiotic.
I'm comparing his work in the match - since all he did was THROW FIVE PUNCHES, then that's rubbish

Imagine if Kurt went out to defend hit title at WM (with the neck injury), threw five punches and beat Brock - would you applaud him, or would you say that his work has been crap, because all he can do is punch and nothing more

I'm judging him by his last couple of month's work, and his work-rate is completely through the floor - his move-set is INCREDIBLY limited, because his legs are messed up!

The SS match was an all-time low for a Champ! It is a disgrace!

THAT is idiotic - him keeping the belt after throwing FIVE PUNCHES and expecting the fans to accept him as a credible champ!

3 - we're all judging booker on his ability on the whole over a longer period of time, same goes for hhh. to say you're only as good as your last match when you were hugely injured in your last match is just a flat out ludicrous comment with absolutely no logical basis to it.
But you're not judging him on his REAL ability - he's having to work on the WWE style, which is limiting his range - you've seen the Best Of Seven with Benoit - he was amazing in them - ever since he came to the WWE he's working to what they tell him to do

If you don't believe it, then check out the other workers who are/were capable of SO much more than their work in the WWE:
Sean O'Haire
Mike Awesome
Chris Jericho
Chris Benoit
Eddie Guerrero

Now, tell me that their current move-set on the WWE shows (or in the case of Awesome, the moves he did do), and say that it's all they're capable of

But people now judge them by their recent work

So, I'm judging HHH by his recent work, the last 4-6 weeks - it's been rubbish - without a doubt!

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by MrFill
But you're not judging him on his REAL ability - he's having to work on the WWE style, which is limiting his range - you've seen the Best Of Seven with Benoit - he was amazing in them - ever since he came to the WWE he's working to what they tell him to do

If you don't believe it, then check out the other workers who are/were capable of SO much more than their work in the WWE:
Sean O'Haire
Mike Awesome
Chris Jericho
Chris Benoit
Eddie Guerrero

Now, tell me that their current move-set on the WWE shows (or in the case of Awesome, the moves he did do), and say that it's all they're capable of

But people now judge them by their recent work

So, I'm judging HHH by his recent work, the last 4-6 weeks - it's been rubbish - without a doubt!

What a complete load of rubbish and hypocritical nonsense.

The "WWE style" is a fictional concept used to explain why some guys are crap and boring when they were formerly good.

The idea that the WWE would tell guys to put on intentionally worse matches then they could is just stupid. And the "it'll make the main eventers" look bad is complete crap.

There are plenty of wrestlers in WWE (at all levels of the card) who are working to a much higher standard than the guys you've mentioned, using far more moves, and using new and interesting moves in each match.

Isn't it convenient that the "WWE style" handicap only applies to certain people, yet the likes of Spanky, Tajiri, Rey Mysterio, Kurt Angle and so on get to throw out as many innovative moves as they want?

And "judging HHH by his recent work"? What a farce. You've picked a time period where he's had only one proper match (even though he was fine in the 6 man match) and you're basing it all on one PPV match where he was injured.

I might as well say I'm basing my opinion on Booker's recent work in the last 3 weeks, which shows he's not even done a single wrestling move!

Ed

[kessler]

Originally posted by MrFill

you applaud him for holding onto the belt while injured?


you know, that is just a flat out lie. i never said that and to imply that i did is a lie. if you had been under oath, you'd be a criminal ;)

i said i applaud him for doing the match but goldberg should have won the title that night. you just invented your own quote to argue with something that was never even said for some bizarre and totally illogical reason.

anyway, if you're judging booker on his best of 7 series with benoit then go and judge hhh on his work from 2000 or something. honestly, how you can justify picking out a 4-6 week time period only to judge hhh on and then compare it to booker a few years ago and try to even have some sort of insane argument over it is beyond me.

like has been said, by your theory of picking that time period for hhh you could say booker has no moves since he's done nothing for weeks since he's injured. hhh actually improved quite a lot this year before his injury this summer i think.

[MrFill]

Originally posted by kessler
you know, that is just a flat out lie. i never said that and to imply that i did is a lie. if you had been under oath, you'd be a criminal ;)
Kess, you see that little squiggly thing at the end of the quote you used - it's a Question Mark - it means I was asking a question

So, if I was under oath, I wouldn't be a criminal as I was ASKING A QUESTION!

[TMJ]

Originally posted by Ed_666
The "WWE style" is a fictional concept used to explain why some guys are crap and boring when they were formerly good.

Oh right, so every single cruiserweight is crap and boring now, are they. So Ultimo Dragon, one of the most talented workers WWE have signed in a long rime, is now crap and boring, which is why the crowd loved his work on dark matches and on SmackDown and is therefore not receiving a push anymore. I get ya. Thanks for clearing that up for us. I thought it was because he wasn't working the WWE style and instead was working the traditional japanese style. Well now I know better.

[MrFill]

Originally posted by Ed_666
What a complete load of rubbish and hypocritical nonsense.
Please, stop talking about yourself like that :D

The "WWE style" is a fictional concept used to explain why some guys are crap and boring when they were formerly good.
This is from a guy who has NEVER watched anything but the WWF/E?

How can you judge on someone work for a previous company and compare it to their current work if you've never seen it? THAT is complete hypocritial nonsense!

The idea that the WWE would tell guys to put on intentionally worse matches then they could is just stupid. And the "it'll make the main eventers" look bad is complete crap.
How do you explain guys who don't use anywhere near their potential?
Tommy Dreamer for example - when he first came in during the InVasion he was pulling out some insane stuff (like the DDT from the turnbuckle), but now he just uses the stick and not much else...

There are plenty of wrestlers in WWE (at all levels of the card) who are working to a much higher standard than the guys you've mentioned, using far more moves, and using new and interesting moves in each match.
You must be watching a different WWE to me then - most of the workers have a move-set which they stick to - never really pulling off anything new apart from on a PPV...

Show me a wrestler who (to quote you) "using new and interesting moves in each match" - and I want a NEW and INTERESTING moves in EACH MATCH, not adding one and then doing nothing new for weeks - I want you to PROVE your quote since you're so into people giving proof

Isn't it convenient that the "WWE style" handicap only applies to certain people, yet the likes of Spanky, Tajiri, Rey Mysterio, Kurt Angle and so on get to throw out as many innovative moves as they want?
The funny thing is that I think I've only seen Spanky do about 6 or 7 moves - although they look impressive, I don't think I've seen him do that many
Tajiri is mostly kicks - which you hate about Booker - he does the odd suplex, but 90%+ of his move-set is kick based
Kurt is using a limited move-set - he does several suplexes (which according to you are one move), and a few others, but no more than about 10-15 moves

So, the handicap applies to EVERYONE - it's just that you don't seem to see it - try counting the DIFFERENT moves during matches done by one wrestler - I bet you won't come up very high

And "judging HHH by his recent work"? What a farce. You've picked a time period where he's had only one proper match (even though he was fine in the 6 man match) and you're basing it all on one PPV match where he was injured.
So, instead of HHH doing the right thing for the fans, and wanting to put on the best match he can, he decides that he wants to steal all of the glory and do FIVE PUNCHES

Now THAT is the mark of a good worker, isn't it? Instead of going out and trying to entertain people, he decides to do some lame-ass "hide" routine and then FIVE PUNCHES - did I mention that he threw FIVE PUNCHES in the whole match? :P

I might as well say I'm basing my opinion on Booker's recent work in the last 3 weeks, which shows he's not even done a single wrestling move!
Only YOU could judge a worker by his injury time - like claiming that someone is great for not holding the belt during the time they're injured

Funny how Booker "did the right thing" and handed the belt to Christian when he's not capable of working, but HHH is too up his own butt to do anything that noble!

**Edited to make your tags work :P**
Chris2K

[Cactus Jack]

Originally posted by Simon
This is really starting to get on my tits now.

You really should see a doctor; thats just not right ;)

[Cactus Jack]

Originally posted by Tajiri
[B]Considering the guy pulled up during a house show match and couldn't even do a pedigree on Raw due to the injury its safe to say he's going to struggle at Unforgiven.

I presumed Goldberg was sandbagging. Was it not due to the injury?

[Simon]

Hmm... a company where guys like Ultimo Dragon are blatantly discriminated against... of course theres no favouritism to the big guys there.

I mean when a guys push stops simply because 'Vince has gone off him', ie. he's not big, he's Mexican and isn't Rey Mysterio.... he's obviously crap. Hah! What do the rest of the wrestling world know?

Really... it hurts... the pain!

[kessler]

Originally posted by MrFill
Kess, you see that little squiggly thing at the end of the quote you used - it's a Question Mark - it means I was asking a question

So, if I was under oath, I wouldn't be a criminal as I was ASKING A QUESTION!

you would be if i ran tings and i live in my world ;)

[Simon]

It gets even funnier :D

Taken from Rajahwwf.com

As we have reported Triple H and Stephanie McMahon have been around Hollywood recently looking for an acting role for Hunter. As you know, Triple H did score another Stacker 2 commercial and the YJ Stinger commercial. Word has it that they met with Warner Bros. about landing a role in the new Looney Tunes movie. Hunter was also under the impression that he was the top guy in WWE up for the part. However, Warner Bros. decided to go with Bill Goldberg instead.

Gooooooooolddddddberg!

[kessler]

considering goldberg was cast in that a year ago, i think it's safe to say that's pushing the boundaries of truth.

[Walshy]

Originally posted by Simon
Hmm... a company where guys like Ultimo Dragon are blatantly discriminated against... of course theres no favouritism to the big guys there.

I mean when a guys push stops simply because 'Vince has gone off him', ie. he's not big, he's Mexican and isn't Rey Mysterio.... he's obviously crap. Hah! What do the rest of the wrestling world know?

Name one little guy who has ever got over and put on amazing matches like A-Train or Big Show, my god, how dare you doubt Vince McMahon the greatest wrestling promoter ever!! :D

[TMJ]

From WO -

The WWF is financing a vehicle to try and make HHH a movie star, having commissioned John Milius (who wrote both Apocalypse Now and Conan the Barbarian) to write a movie for him, called "Jornada del Muerte" which the company will produce. While the original idea was to do cheaper straight-to-video movies, not with HHH, as this one is planned for a theatrical release. I smell money....well burning.

[Simon]

It's so sad that it's actually cringeworthy.

I don't know who it is thats finding it so hard to understand that HHH just isn't Hollywood. Surely there are other ways of making him feel important. Give him a new cool t-shirt or something, make a statue of him outside Titan Towers.... just anything else than producing and starring him in a movie.

Have mercy on our souls! :P

[Tajiri]

Vince and Stephanie will probaly be so terrifyed that the company can't survie 8 months without HHH that they'll probaly run every WWE show during that time in the LA area just so HHH can grace it with his presence.

[Walshy]

HHH has also landed a role in Blade 3 as a vampire, so it looks like he is going to be a 'huge star' which would mean that he would have lots of other movies to make and also means that he wouldn't be able to appear on WWE TV, oh what a terrible shame. :D

[Russ]

The WWF is financing a vehicle to try and make HHH a movie star, having commissioned John Milius (who wrote both Apocalypse Now and Conan the Barbarian) to write a movie for him, called "Jornada del Muerte"

Please let it have HHH doing a Mexican accent for 2 hours.

"Hola Ese-aaaaah. Whatchyoo talkin' 'bout holmes-aaaah? Orale-aaah! Viva La Game-aaaah. I must rescue-aaah, Princess Stephanie-aaaah, because I'm-aaah that damn good-aaaah"

Look out Gigli.

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by Russ
Please let it have HHH doing a Mexican accent for 2 hours.

"Hola Ese-aaaaah. Whatchyoo talkin' 'bout holmes-aaaah? Orale-aaah! Viva La Game-aaaah. I must rescue-aaah, Princess Stephanie-aaaah, because I'm-aaah that damn good-aaaah"


Eddie Guerrero would sue for gimmick infringement.

Ed

[Alan]

Originally posted by Russ
Please let it have HHH doing a Mexican accent for 2 hours.

"Hola Ese-aaaaah. Whatchyoo talkin' 'bout holmes-aaaah? Orale-aaah! Viva La Game-aaaah. I must rescue-aaah, Princess Stephanie-aaaah, because I'm-aaah that damn good-aaaah"

Look out Gigli.

He should do that on RAW, better than what he jabbers on about now!

[Tajiri]

From 411:

Bringing the Game to the Big Screen

Triple H has signed on to topline Journada del Muerte (translated: Journey of Death) which is described as a "Modern Day Western" written by Apocalypse Now writer John Milius.

Possibly a bit more interesting for most of the readers here, he has signed on to play one of the foils for Wesley Snipes in New Line's upcoming Blade: Trinity

Jornada del Muerte is the first theatrical release from the recently formed WWE Production Banner. Milius describes the movie, which was written specifically for Triple H as: "a modern-day Western set in the Southwest that involves motorcycle gangs, drug trafficking and broken codes of honor."

No word on how this will affect Triple H's ring time. One wonders if he will be willing to job to Blade.

[Russ]

A cowboy film with motorbikes, drug trafficing and broken codes of honour? Forget that it's made for HHH, it's obviously been made for HHH's friends. Look out for Bradshaw as a Cowboy, Undertaker as a biker, X Pac as a junkie and Shawn Michaels as a liar.

Movie? It's more like a documentary!

[Ed_666]

Originally posted by Tajiri
One wonders if he will be willing to job to Blade.[/I]

He jobbed to Jerry Lawler, I'm sure he'll job to Blade.

Slightly off topic, but did anyone else notice the large amount of wrestling moves in Blade II?

Apart from normal stuff like clotheslines and backdrops, there was the worlds biggest elbow drop (watch it, it's hilarious), and a textbook delayed vertical suplex that would've put Davey Boy Smith to shame.

Think Wesley Snipes is a wrestling fan?

He's at least one celeb you could put in the ring and let him kick the wrestlers arses without them looking bad!

Ed

[Simon]

Originally posted by Ed_666
He jobbed to Jerry Lawler, I'm sure he'll job to Blade.

A job at a house show watched by thousands is different to a job in a film seen by millions :P

Plus I think it was a tongue in cheek comment anyway!

[Dante]

I am beggining to see a bad similarity between the hawknosed one and Randy Savage.

[r6phantom]

Originally posted by Russ
A cowboy film with motorbikes, drug trafficing and broken codes of honour? Forget that it's made for HHH, it's obviously been made for HHH's friends. Look out for Bradshaw as a Cowboy, Undertaker as a biker, X Pac as a junkie and Shawn Michaels as a liar.

Movie? It's more like a documentary!

lol