Major WWE Star Injured, Out For 6-8 Months

[Darkstar]

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – WWE Champion John Cena has suffered a complete tear of his right pectoral tendon and is heading into surgery, according to noted orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews. Because of the seriousness of the injury, WWE officials will not allow Cena to compete this Sunday at No Mercy, and he will have no choice but to surrender the title.

Dr. Andrews said Cena could miss between six and eight months of action. Cena was injured during his match Monday night on Raw with Mr. Kennedy. Before visiting Dr. Andrews, Cena had said, “No matter how serious, the injury, one way or another I’ll be ready to compete on Sunday.”

But despite Cena’s vow, WWE officials will not allow him to compete at No Mercy. Therefore, he must surrender the WWE Championship.

WWE officials vow that there will be a WWE Championship Match this Sunday at No Mercy and that there will be a new WWE Champion.

Stay with WWE.com for further updates on Cena’s condition and on No Mercy as they become available.

Credit: WWE.com

Pah, guess I dont really want a decent PPV. :(

[Jung]

How can it not be decent?

Chances are instead of destroying 1 top line heel, HHH will destroy 2!

Its like brilliant isn't it?

But seriously if ever there was a time when WWE need their biggest star out this was it. They need Jericho, HBK, Edge, heck Hogan, Foley etc right now, cause if it was any thinner up top it would be Amy Winehouse.

[Moobs]

Unfortunate news, but at least we'll see a new champion.

[Darkstar]

Sorry, I somehow managed to miss an entire paagraph on injuries on top lines. Thats where this thread was supposed to go. Sorry. :(

[Loves To Spooge]

i think im going to cry. i wont get to see john cena (for the 4th time) at wembley :(

[Citizen Kane]

Noooooooooooo, 6-8 months?!!! Dammit. :(

A lot of people will obviously be happy now there's a new champion, but soon enough they'll miss the great atmosphere surrounding his matches when they can hear a pin drop during HHH/Orton.

[Nemesis Enforcer]

6 months of no Cena on TV sounds like a good thing... but then again its likely going to mean 6 months of HHH dominating the shows so I am not sure which is worse!

[619rkoCROSSFACE]

im guessing he was already injured and they were gunna make him give up title last week... then they realised how stupid it would be half way through the show :P

come on ORTON!!!! :.) :.) :.) :.)

[Reno]

Yes, more HHH! :D

[Cathal]

Well that sucks, I was really looking forward to the LMS match too.

Maybe if Jericho does return this Sunday they might throw him into the title match and maybe he might take the title.

You never know, I guess.

[Jung]

Triple H will win the title. I'm 99.9% sure of it. The only reason he won't win it, is if he gets to win it back at a bigger PPV.

[OMAR DAYS]

Maybe, just maybe The Undertaker might switch over to Raw? He wants to belt after all

[Jung]

Just depends if he can be bothered to work every week.

[Loves To Spooge]

WWE best keep the spinning belt. il be really annoyed if they take it away.

[OMAR DAYS]

Just depends if he can be bothered to work every week.

I remember reading he said he would back when he won the World title this year but he could hurt. I imagine he would work every week though.

[Nemesis Enforcer]

WWE best keep the spinning belt. il be really annoyed if they take it away.I'd be ANNOYED too... no wait wrong word... I'd be DELIGHTED if they changed the belt again so it doesn't spin anymore!

[G2G]

Don't like to see any superstar injured, and its a shame his WWE Title reign has come to an end this way, but wooooooo finally a new WWE Champion this Sunday. About damn time too.

[The Franchise]

Noooooooooooo, 6-8 months?!!! Dammit. :(

A lot of people will obviously be happy now there's a new champion, but soon enough they'll miss the great atmosphere surrounding his matches when they can hear a pin drop during HHH/Orton.

That sucks. The WWE is losing their main events left and right. Feel bad for Cena.:-0

[Dave7g]

Fantastic news, no before you start, not about his injury, about a FRESH Championship reign in WWE, plus no more Cena! I suspect HHH has decided to give himself the belt, however there is a weird tradition in wrestling where if a champion or favourite is pulled from a title match, the title goes to the surprise entrant. It happened with the NWA tourney when Danielson got hurt, and how can you forget RHYNO being so damn hard!

So don't expect Randy Orton to get the strap. Just pray to Jericho it's him and not Tripple Vince.

[OMAR DAYS]

Fantastic news, no before you start, not about his injury, about a FRESH Championship reign in WWE, plus no more Cena! I suspect HHH has decided to give himself the belt, however there is a weird tradition in wrestling where if a champion or favourite is pulled from a title match, the title goes to the surprise entrant. It happened with the NWA tourney when Danielson got hurt, and how can you forget RHYNO being so damn hard!

So don't expect Randy Orton to get the strap. Just pray to Jericho it's him and not Tripple Vince.

Actually Adam Pearce was the man who Danielson defeated to advance to the finals, so it wasn't really a surprise more of a by default kind of thing.

[Twig]

Noooooooooooo, 6-8 months?!!! Dammit. :(

A lot of people will obviously be happy now there's a new champion, but soon enough they'll miss the great atmosphere surrounding his matches when they can hear a pin drop during HHH/Orton.

I could argue you on Orton... but you have to be deaf if you think that HHH doesn't get a reaction.

[OMAR DAYS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO1iXJzQpsk

Trevor Murdoch's brother talks about John Cena getting hurt. I think this is that tard you rings up the Observer every damn week.

[Prototype]

Do you think Jericho is ready to come back now? I mean if it wasn't going to be until Survivor Series, he might be a couple of weeks away from full fitness. I mean he has been away a long time.

[Twig]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO1iXJzQpsk

Trevor Murdoch's brother talks about John Cena getting hurt. I think this is that tard you rings up the Observer every damn week.

:lol that guy's already blown up 15 seconds into his promo!

[Kanenite]

Pretty sucky news. Even though i've been eager to see a new Title reign to get the belt away from Cena it's a big shame that the way it goes from him is him going down injured. But a new Champion is all good in my eyes, still a shame that another Main Eventer is out though.

[Craig]

Damn, hate that it had to end like this.

But I guess it's best to try and look on the bright side. They've got a huge return to build up too, and the title scene could definitely benefit from some freshening up. I just wonder who will get the title at No Mercy. I doubt it will be Orton, and if HHH and Umaga get put in the match, you'd think they'd announce that beforehand. They still can of course, but what if they do something unexpected like bring Jericho back and give it to him, or maybe even Undertaker? Lots of possibilities, and it should be interesting to watch the next few weeks just to see how everything goes without Cena.

[jim vs shark]

id like to see how wwe will fair without cena as champ, hell it's been well over a year with him as champ and people seemed to get annoyed

i just hope it doesn't go to HHH, i think he's only had 1 championship reign i enjoyed and that was back in 2000

[Kanenite]

Has anyone checked out the poll on WWE.com who we want to be WWE Champion? Mr Kennedy's leading it, Val Venis has 7%. Pretty interesting stuff, doesn't look rigged.

Does anyone else think they'll just hold a Battle Royal?

[Da Showstoppa]

WWE best keep the spinning belt. il be really annoyed if they take it away.

On the contrary, I think it's an absolute travesty. It's fine as a gimmick, but it just isn't credible - IMO it cheapens the whole idea of being champion. I think they'll reinstate the Undisputed V2 belt - either that or they'll mint a new one.

I'm sorry for Cena and I hope he recovers, but I have to admit I am glad that this year of being force fed Cena as Champion is now over. He was beyond stale. At least this way he'll be able to be fresh when he comes back.

[Fidel Cashflow]

Isn't Jericho due back......

[Da Showstoppa]

Isn't Jericho due back......

Well it's been pretty much confirmed by the dirtsheets - and the signs are pointing to it, but until the Ayatollah of Rock N Rolla is back in a WWE ring I can't say for certain.

[Fidel Cashflow]

Well it's been pretty much confirmed by the dirtsheets - and the signs are pointing to it, but until the Ayatollah of Rock N Rolla is back in a WWE ring I can't say for certain.

Well, there's a gap open as top face. Jericho seems like the easy solution.

[Chriscare]

Injury my arse, i bet he comes back alot smaller.

Wonder if they'll make a tourniment for No Mercy rather than a 3 or 4 way

[Al Stevens]

It's actually a shame that he has gotten injuried however i will say this he did a little bit stale over the past year however the good thing is that we will get a new champion and then if the booking team was smart then they would repackage Cena not too much but a little.

Also if Jericho was to come back then i would love to see him back as the Jericho which was taking the mick out of Steph, Rhyno and Booker T with the Rock.

[TMJ]

Absolutely awful news. WWE have never needed him more and now their main events will be full of crap since no one else can even come close to delivering a big match atmosphere. Hooray for more HHH though - can't get enough of his big nose destroying everyone. Give Cena credit - he took 2 years to do it. HHH is catching up within 4 weeks.

But yeah, I'm gutted, and probably won't be watching Raw for a while now.

[BRM]

Not pleased.

But every cloud has a silver lining mind, Cena probably needs a break and if they still want to go through with Triple H v Cena 2 under the floodlights in Florida (also dempending that Cena is fit). Then we're more likely to see Cena regaining.

[TGO]

WWE.com are having a poll.

please vote as Val Venis is on 48%

[SuperKick Kid]

Dammit THIS MAN:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i178/THE-SHARP-EDGE/Wrestling%20Gifs/jeffreturnbk2.gif

[Craig]

I don't see any men in that gif.

[Craig]

Well, Vince is supposed to have a major announcement regarding the WWE title match at No Mercy, so that pretty much rules out Jericho or HBK I would think.

EDIT - Double post, hell yeah.

[TMJ]

Val Venis for world champion.

This is why WWE hates WWE.com :)

[SuperKick Kid]

Val Venis for world champion.

This is why WWE hates WWE.com :)

We all know who you want Mitchell.

You want the Straight Edged Superstar as the new WWE Champion. :)

[TMJ]

Yes, Val Venis. We've already established that.

His "straight edged superstar" has been in dire need of a title for years.

[Adam Gill]

Terrible news.

I've been really into the Cena-Orton feud, and was looking forward to their LMS match at No Mercy. It'll be interesting to see what they do with the Main Event at the pay-per-view, and with the belt though . . .

[wyndorf]

At a push Cena will be back at Wrestlemania, but (really pushing it) we'd only get around 3 weeks of Cena/Triple H II build up. If Triple H was made champion, it'd be a gamble to rely on whether or not not Cena can make it back in minimum time.

If we're going by the storylines, Vince isn't going to announce Triple H as a challenger in the main event.......of course, you have to wonder what other choice they have. I assume Orton wasn't scedueled to win the belt at No Mercy.

[SuperKick Kid]

Jeff Hardy, one of the most over people in WWE.

Constantly gets a good pop, he sells merchandise, gives memorable moments, ect.. ect...

In my opinion it should be Jeff Hardy vs Randy Orton for the WWE Championship at No Mercy.

With either of them as Champ we will actually get some new stuff.

Instead of Triple H burying the Raw roster.

Besides, even if Triple H did become champion who would he face after he defeated Orton???

He's already buried Booker, Carlito, The Raw Tag Division and soon Umaga.

[SuperKick Kid]

Official No Mercy WWE Championship Preview:

No Mercy will represent the end of an era for John Cena and the beginning of a new one for one Superstar as a new WWE Champion will be crowned.

For more than a year, John Cena proudly held the WWE Championship. He turned back all challengers, but an injury brought an end to his nearly 13-month title reign. Cena suffered a complete tear of his right pectoral tendon during a match on Raw. Because of the seriousness of the injury, WWE officials will not allow Cena to compete in his scheduled Last Man Standing Match with Randy Orton at No Mercy, and had no choice but to surrender the title.

Cena’s injury represents a new opportunity for several WWE Superstars. Orton has shown that he will do anything for the WWE Championship. Mr. Kennedy has long said that he is the future of WWE and believes he has a point to prove. And what about Intercontinental Champion Jeff Hardy, who has received very few WWE Championship opportunities in his career? Or does Cena’s injury represent a new opportunity for a Superstar who is not a member of the Raw locker room?

Details at this time are unclear. One thing is certain, however: There will be a WWE Championship Match this Sunday at No Mercy, and a new WWE Champion will be crowned.

Who will be the next WWE Champion? The only way to find out is to catch No Mercy, live on pay-per-view on Sunday, Oct. 7 at 8/7 CT. Stay with WWE.com for more updates on No Mercy and the WWE Championship Match as they become available.

[The Beltster]

Shame, Cena had really become this era's strong face champion who made people care about main event matches again. Seeing as he is out, though, and likely to miss WrestleMania, I'd hold him out the full year and bring him back at next years SummerSlam.

I hope Triple H doesnt bag the gold at No Mercy, Orton was probably going to take it from Cena anyways so WWE may as well stick with that plan for now, and have the Orton vs Triple H feud.

With HBK and Jericho likely headed back, it would be cool to see those two feud over the WWE title aswell, and yay for the removal of the spinning belt! (Hopefully)

[Telf]

Forget the Benoit fiasco, this is the worst thing to hit WWE for a long, long time

Nobody in the world (in my opinion) let alone the company is a bigger draw in pro wrestling/sports entertainment than John Cena. Even as probably the biggest Triple H mark on the forums, not even he can come anywhere close to what Cena is able to do in terms of bringing in the viewers and selling PPV's

The "safe" bet would be to put the title on HHH as he's a bonafide main eventer. But i still think Orton deserves the push and lengthy title reign that he really should have got when he had the WHT in 2004.

Whilst this is definately a set back, it can be seen as an opportunity to create a new main event star; but certainly not what WWE, or myself, wanted to happen

[The Beltster]

The "safe" bet would be to put the title on HHH as he's a bonafide main eventer.Its times like these where WWE ALWAYS go with the safe option (not that I blame them), but just this once it would be nice if they took a gamble and put the title on somebody comepletely out of left field.

I wouldnt be completely against Flair getting his one last run for a couple of months until the Rumble to be honest.

[Jung]

I'd personally love to see someone like Umaga, HBK, Orton get a run with the belt.

HHH getting it doesn't make much sense from a booking POV. I mean those 3 up there all had shots in the last 6 months or so, and HBK was in the title picture when he left so he should naturally return and Umaga returning could also be a justification.

I really hope its not Tripper, but I can't see them looking past him. In fact I'd place money that they'll probably just make a Vince/Vince's chosen wrestler v HHH in a re-inacment of the Austin/Vince feud of 1998/99.

Its just times like these they could really push new guys because they have absolutely nothing to lose. The ratings aren't great or terrible, they need new main eventers desperately and something fresh might actually make a positive difference.

I just can't see it happening sadly.

[Telf]

I wouldnt be completely against Flair getting his one last run for a couple of months until the Rumble to be honest.

Flair would indeed be a nice surprise

Jeff Hardy's name i see has popped up on more than occasion. I myself would hate to see Jeff with a world title. There's no doubt he's over, so perhaps it wouldn't be a disaster. But for me, a credible world champion must have skills on the microphone to make the feud work and be believable. Jeff unfortunately just doesn't have this - in fact, in my opinion, he's abysmal

Umaga is too one-dimensional at the moment without a mouthpiece. Kennedy i don't think is quite ready yet, and it'll take a long, drawn out feud with someone like Triple H, HBK or Y2J to get him to where he needs to be. If it's not The Game, it's got to be Orton - he's got more heat on him now than he has since 2004

[King]

For me Id like Orton to get a title run,keep the belt off Hunter until Mania,probably won't happen but who knows.

[SuperKick Kid]

Flair would indeed be a nice surprise

Jeff Hardy's name i see has popped up on more than occasion. I myself would hate to see Jeff with a world title. There's no doubt he's over, so perhaps it wouldn't be a disaster. But for me, a credible world champion must have skills on the microphone to make the feud work and be believable. Jeff unfortunately just doesn't have this - in fact, in my opinion, he's abysmal

They made Great Khali champion, and he can't even speak English.

Besides, I don't think Jeff really needs to talk. He never has had to talk in a feud, he's always has let his actions speak for him.

Give him an opponent that can fulfill the talking part, like Edge.

I just really want to see WWE take a chance on someone and I don't want to see another Reign of Doom by Triple H.

By take a chance I mean someone like Jeff or Kane or CM Punk or Finlay

And I think they need to bring Edge to Raw once he returns.

[The Beltster]

Nah you cant go with guys like Finlay, Jeff or CM Punk, they are midcarders. Kane is aswell, really, even thought he is a former champ.

Putting it on a guy like Finlay would be like Austin going down in 1998 and them putting it on DLo Brown, or Hogan going down in 1987 and them putting it on Tito Santana, it would be kinda stupid.

With Triple H, HBK (possibly), Undertaker, Orton, Rey Mysterio etc available, I'd put them all above Finlay and crew.

Santino Marella might be an option, especially if they bring in Austin to feud with him in some way, but Marella is a crap wrestler and all the main event matches would be crap.

I see only one man capable of filling the position: Hacksaw Jim Duggan!

[Jung]

Nah you cant go with guys like Finlay, Jeff or CM Punk, they are midcarders. Kane is aswell, really, even thought he is a former champ.

Putting it on a guy like Finlay would be like Austin going down in 1998 and them putting it on DLo Brown, or Hogan going down in 1987 and them putting it on Tito Santana, it would be kinda stupid.

With Triple H, HBK (possibly), Undertaker, Orton, Rey Mysterio etc available, I'd put them all above Finlay and crew.

Santino Marella might be an option, especially if they bring in Austin to feud with him in some way, but Marella is a crap wrestler and all the main event matches would be crap.

I see only one man capable of filling the position: Hacksaw Jim Duggan!

I disagree. I mean you've compared Austin losing it in 1998 or Hogan in 1987. Thats when WWF was doing incredible business with great momentum?

Where as now is like 1992 to 1996, where its not unheard of to put the belt on a midcarder at least for a bit, because you can't really lose anything.

I don't see why putting it on say Jeff Hardy for say a month would be a really bad idea. I mean what do you have to lose?

Say it doesn't work after a month, then you put it on someone like Orton or HHH. But you won't have a major ratings loss cause the ratings arent great anyway. But say Jeff does draw well, then hey you've got a new headliner in the wings.

At this point in time with WWE's current situation, I'd give it a shot. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Can't lose anything either. So I'd try something fresh.

[SuperKick Kid]

Before Cena got injured, the ratings were still going down.

This is an opportunity to try and bring back viewers and I say do that with a Shocking title win.

Look what happened when Edge won the belt at NYR, Ratings went up.

They need to take a chance.

[The Beltster]

I disagree. I mean you've compared Austin losing it in 1998 or Hogan in 1987. Thats when WWF was doing incredible business with great momentum?

Where as now is like 1992 to 1996, where its not unheard of to put the belt on a midcarder at least for a bit, because you can't really lose anything.I'm not saying they are in the same business position, I'm stating talent-wise, Cena is todays Hogan/Austin. In 87, it would have gone on Savage, in 98, it would have gone on Rock. Today, it needs to go onto Orton, Taker etc to keep the stability OR at least go on a midcarder who is hot, like MVP, even if he isnt ready. Finlay isnt the guy to take a chance on, and Jeff Hardy has already peaked, he has nothing else to give or show, IMO. MVP is untapped really, as is Marella, but Marella is a p*ss worker.

I don't see why putting it on say Jeff Hardy for say a month would be a really bad idea. I mean what do you have to lose?

Say it doesn't work after a month, then you put it on someone like Orton or HHH. But you won't have a major ratings loss cause the ratings arent great anyway. But say Jeff does draw well, then hey you've got a new headliner in the wings.Because Jeff Hardy is a guy who is entrenched in the midcard, when you think of him you think 'midcard'. At least somebody like MVP hasnt been typecast as a midcarder yet, and is seem more as a rising star. Finlay and Hardy arent rising stars, they are guys who have reached their peak and are in their niche. I think putting the belt on those guys would tarnish what Cena has given to it.

I think its very hard to make headliners out of guys who have been midcarders for so long that thats all they are seen as.

Flair is an option simply due to him being the sentimental favourite who is coming to the end of his career.

At this point in time with WWE's current situation, I'd give it a shot. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Can't lose anything either. So I'd try something fresh.I see your point and agree that WWE should take a chance, just not on Hardy, Finlay, Kane etc. They need to pick a guy that they are willing to run with longterm and not drop at the first sign of a dip in the numbers.

[Jung]

See I probably wouldn't try Finaly or someone simply because their career isn't going to be going on for years.

But I'd give Jeff Hardy a try simply because you won't lose anything.

I mean you say he's entrenched in midcard and been there for so long but weren't Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Edge etc those guys too?

I mean they spent nie on 5-10 years in midcard?

Thus having Jeff Hardy win it, brings back the old earn your way to the top. These days pretty much nobody has that, everyone gets fast tracked.

And who knows if Jeff would be long or short term? He's over, he offers something different, its an experiment. And the numbers with him won't change if its HBK, HHH, Orton, Edge etc up top?

Again you say keep the stability. What stability? The ratings aren't really going anywhere. One week we get a real high in a segment, the next week a record low.

I'd give Hardy a chance simply because he's a great win or lose doesn't matter option. If MVP, Kennedy, Marella etc got a run and it DIDN'T work, then thats them probably over in terms of being a headliner. And these are the guys who WWE want to base the company around in the next year or so.

The risk of them failing would be a disaster. And WWE is in panic mode now, so if one of them gets rushed and the ratings don't change, disaster, and then in a year's time when they need new stars, they'll be nobody to turn to.

I'd go with Hardy cause you simply cannot lose. He might not be a long term headliner, but he might. However if he does fail, he doesn't and the WWE lose nothing. He was arguably not going to be the guy to headline for years to come.

So for me I'd take a risk, but in doing that wouldn't jeopardise my future.

[The Beltster]

See I probably wouldn't try Finaly or someone simply because their career isn't going to be going on for years.

But I'd give Jeff Hardy a try simply because you won't lose anything.

I mean you say he's entrenched in midcard and been there for so long but weren't Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Edge etc those guys too?

I mean they spent nie on 5-10 years in midcard?Benoit and Guererro were terrible champions, and lasted all of 5 minutes. They wont be remembered as great champions. Bret and Shawn were different, I mean these guys could work and the entire company changed from big to small. If the mindset in WWE changed and all the steroid freaks left, people MIGHT buy Jeff as a credible WWE champion, but I cant see it happening. Plus, he cant work and is unreliable, two things Bret and Shawn really werent, IMO.

I'm not saying Jeff as champion 100% wont work, but I doubt it will, and I dont think (in fact I'll go as far as to say I know) Vince wouldnt book them as long term champions that the company could ride like he did Bret and Shawn.

Again you say keep the stability. What stability? The ratings aren't really going anywhere. One week we get a real high in a segment, the next week a record low.I mean stability to the title, not the numbers. The title means something right now, Cena is a megastar who held it for over a year, the stability he brought to the title has made it seem like a huge deal again, throwing it around to midcarders for one month here and one month there would undo all that Cena brought to it.

I'd give Hardy a chance simply because he's a great win or lose doesn't matter option. If MVP, Kennedy, Marella etc got a run and it DIDN'T work, then thats them probably over in terms of being a headliner. And these are the guys who WWE want to base the company around in the next year or so.

The risk of them failing would be a disaster. And WWE is in panic mode now, so if one of them gets rushed and the ratings don't change, disaster, and then in a year's time when they need new stars, they'll be nobody to turn to.Yeah you might be right about MVP, Marella etc. Maybe if they bombed before they are ready, it might do them more damage than its worth whereas with Jeff he could be slotted right back into the midcard if he fails. I didnt think of that, you make a great point.

I just really hate the idea of a bunch of midcarders trading the title back and forth and screwing up all the hard work it took to make the title seem big time again.

I expect Orton will take it at the end of the day, and feud with Triple H. Not bad, but not great.

[Oblong]

If they're gonna go with shock factor, it'll go on a returning star, i.e. Jericho or HBK (although i don't think HBK is ready yet, so more likely the former). Alternatively, get an unexpected main eventer from another brand, someone like Taker.

I don't think they want to put the company's number 1 title on Jeff Hardy or someone like that. Not that there's anything wrong with him, i'm as big as any other Hardy mark, but he doesn't really have the look or charisma to be the champ. IC title is pretty much the limit for Jeff as far as i'm concerned.

The safe bets are HHH and Orton. I expect the title to go to one of these fellas.
As for the most likely "shock" winner, i'd go with Y2J, based on all the recent hype.

[DC]

I was under the impression that they were going to run an injury angle at No Mercy to give Cena a break anyway. As unfortunate as it is, I think he would have been out for a few months regardless.

It's a damn shame that he's really hurt though, but I don't think he'll be off the air for the duration of his rehab.

[Rog]

Dang, also means no HIAC match at Cyber Sunday

[King]

A Vbookie thingy would be good for this .

[MVP]

Maybe, just maybe The Undertaker might switch over to Raw? He wants to belt after all

I can just see Coach announcing that a Smackdown superstar's contract has expired and he'll make his debut in the WWE title match (a 20 man battle royal like Smackdown did perhaps?),then at the event the first 19 superstars are in the ring and JR is building up the excitement over who the mystery new RAW star is...and then the lights go out and JR messes his pants with excitement.

Then you'd have the deadman winning the WWE title and coming back home to RAW for the long title reign he should have had as world champion.

Quality observation Omar,you said what may well happen.

[SuperKick Kid]

Smackdown needs Undertaker, plus they are planning on finishing out Batista vs Undertaker.

I don't think they'll take him away. It needs to be someone currently on Raw.

[MVP]

Undertaker's been a Smackdown regular for years and besides I'd love to see him bring back the memories with an HBK feud down the line.

idea.....Cyber Sunday for the WWE Title,the fans decide which match Taker/HBK compete in again.
A) Hell In A Cell 2 B) Casket Match 2 C) Steel Cage Match 2

[SuperKick Kid]

Undertaker's been a Smackdown regular for years and besides I'd love to see him bring back the memories with an HBK feud down the line.

Good for you, I'd love to see HBK vs Taker again too.

But the fact is that, Smackdown needs Undertaker.

[MVP]

Good for you, I'd love to see HBK vs Taker again too.

But the fact is that, Smackdown needs Undertaker.

No....Smackdown needs an atomic bomb to blow the whole damn place up and then re-organise it from the mess into a show worth watching each week.

(aside from MVP/Matt Hardy which rules)

[SuperKick Kid]

No....Smackdown needs an atomic bomb to blow the whole damn place up and then re-organise it from the mess into a show worth watching each week.

(aside from MVP/Matt Hardy which rules)

MVP aka SixSidesofSteel aka CWG has been released by the Talk Wrestling Online Forum. We wish him the best in all his future endeavors.

Smackdown is doing just fine.

[MVP]

MVP aka SixSidesofSteel aka CWG has been released by the Talk Wrestling Online Forum. We wish him the best in all his future endeavors.

Smackdown is doing just fine.

Superkick Kid aka HBK's biggest fan aka HBK's biggest defender aka HBK's P.R guru has been released by the Talk Wrestling Online Forum. We wish him the best in all his future endeavors.

:lol

Anyways it's a shame Cena had to lose the belt without being pinned or tapping out but injuries happen so......meh

[the HiTman]

MVP aka SixSidesofSteel aka CWG has been released by the Talk Wrestling Online Forum. We wish him the best in all his future endeavors.

Smackdown is doing just fine.

To be honest. Nothing is doing just fine.

[SuperKick Kid]

To be honest. Nothing is doing just fine.

Their ratings nearly reached a 3.0 last week. That is very good for Smackdown.

[MVP]

Their ratings nearly reached a 3.0 last week. That is very good for Smackdown.

I know RAW's the backbone of WWE but there's no reason why Smackdown should be treated as being inferior every damn week and especially on PPV,I'm sick and tired of seeing their world title matches below the wwe title matches on PPV and especially so at wrestlemania 23.

winner wins rumble - rumble winner gets main event title shot - match goes on 3rd or 4th at wrestlemania...dumb idiots

[Jung]

Benoit and Guererro were terrible champions, and lasted all of 5 minutes. They wont be remembered as great champions. Bret and Shawn were different, I mean these guys could work and the entire company changed from big to small. If the mindset in WWE changed and all the steroid freaks left, people MIGHT buy Jeff as a credible WWE champion, but I cant see it happening. Plus, he cant work and is unreliable, two things Bret and Shawn really werent, IMO.

Yeah you might be right about MVP, Marella etc. Maybe if they bombed before they are ready, it might do them more damage than its worth whereas with Jeff he could be slotted right back into the midcard if he fails. I didnt think of that, you make a great point.

I just really hate the idea of a bunch of midcarders trading the title back and forth and screwing up all the hard work it took to make the title seem big time again.

I expect Orton will take it at the end of the day, and feud with Triple H. Not bad, but not great.

I'd only bring 1 midcarder say Jeff up to win it. From that point onwards the likes of Edge, Orton etc would still feud with him.

To be honest I'd just have Jeff win say a 6 pack challenge at the PPV, by hook or crook, and Orton, HHH, Umaga etc are all shocked as nobody expected him to win. The next night Orton is furious. Has a match with Jeff, Orton batters Jeff but can't pin him, the announcers put over Jeff saying thats how much the WWF title means, it makes you aspire just that little bit higher and dig deeper to keep it. Eventually Orton gets beaten by a sneaky roll up. Orton hits Jeff with a chair afterwards and is livid.

The next week Orton has a match with say Ric Flair or someone after Flair insults him backstage saying the Legend Killer is dead. Orton and Flair have a match, have a ref bump, Jeff coems through the crowd Swanton on Orton, Flair wins. After the match Jeff lays out Orton with a chair shot, swanton through a table.

Builds to a match at the PPV which you book depending on how the ratings go. But you constantly emphasise how many risks Jeff takes because of the prestige of that belt. Make video packages highlighting HBK's iron man win, various people bleeding, Cena's torn pec just to show how much people do for that title.

Thats why I'd push Jeff. No he isn't the long term answer but at the moment WWE just needs a kickstart, something different to make fans think "wow what's happening here?". A curiosity factor. If a fan sees in the description "Champion HHH seeks revenge on owner Mr McMahon" they won't care. Its old, its stale.

I just think if they gave it to someone like Jeff just short term at first for the least, it could offer something new and different.

As I said nothing ventured, nothing gained.

[The Beltster]

SmackDown!'s ratings could be in the high 8.0's for all I care, its still an unbearable 2 hours of TV. Nothing in WWE is "doing just fine" at the moment, guys are going down left, right and center due to injuries, other guys are being suspended, the booking is p*ss and there are no main eventers really there barring the obvious.

Put Taker over to RAW and have him feud with Triple H. At least its of main event calibur.

(This isnt a reply to your post, Jung, incase you think I'm ignoring everything and talking about something completely different ala Frenchfries ;))

[SuperKick Kid]

SmackDown!'s ratings could be in the high 8.0's for all I care, its still an unbearable 2 hours of TV. Nothing in WWE is "doing just fine" at the moment, guys are going down left, right and center due to injuries, other guys are being suspended, the booking is p*ss and there are no main eventers really there barring the obvious.

Put Taker over to RAW and have him feud with Triple H. At least its of main event calibur.

If you want more Batista and Khali, then by all means have Taker move to Raw.

[MVP]

SmackDown!'s ratings could be in the high 8.0's for all I care, its still an unbearable 2 hours of TV. Nothing in WWE is "doing just fine" at the moment, guys are going down left, right and center due to injuries, other guys are being suspended, the booking is p*ss and there are no main eventers really there barring the obvious.

Put Taker over to RAW and have him feud with Triple H. At least its of main event calibur.

Hurrah!!! Glad to see some people are not viewing Smackdown with rose tinted glasses just because they have one worthwhile feud on the show.

Maybe if cruiserweights were not treated like jobbers and maybe if talents like Finlay were better appreciated it'd be a better show.

[SuperKick Kid]

From WWE.com

Superstars react to Cena's injury
By Mike McAvennie
Written: October 2, 2007

With John Cena’s torn pectoral muscle taking him out of ring action for the next six months to a year, he has no choice but to relinquish his WWE Championship. So what does that mean come No Mercy this Sunday, the Last Man Standing Match against No. 1 Contender Randy Orton, or the landscape of Raw? These are all questions that must be answered in the ensuing days ahead, but WWE.com got a head-start at a WWE live event by asking several SmackDown and ECW Superstars to weigh in with their comments.

SmackDown Superstar Finlay:
“What does John Cena’s injury mean for Raw and WWE? It opens a big window of opportunity for everybody else who has on a pair of wrestling boots.”

ECW General Manager Armando Estrada:
“Well, what John Cena’s torn pec does for No Mercy is that it puts the ball quite favorably in the challenger, Randy Orton’s corner, wouldn’t you agree? And Raw is in for a big shakeup. When the top dog gets hurt…. Hey, it’s anybody’s ball, but right now, it looks like Randy Orton’s.”

SmackDown Superstar Kenny Dykstra:
“Cena's injury can mean a lot of things, but not for Kenny Dykstra, because I’m on SmackDown. For Raw, though, it means that Superman is out. Superman is no longer there, and that means that anybody can take over his Rome.”

SmackDown Superstar Chuck Palumbo:
“A lot of our fans are going to be very disappointed, because we have a huge John Cena following. It’s a shame that Cena had to go down, but at the same time, let’s turn a negative into a positive. Now there’s a big opportunity available. Who’s gonna step up and run with it? It creates an excitement in our business to see who’s going to fill his shoes from this point on.”

ECW Superstar The Miz:
“Cena’s injury is a chance for some other guys to step up to the plate and take his reign. But it’s some hard shoes to fill. He was the man – The Champ. Now it’s kind of hard to see what’s going to happen…to see who’s going to step up and take that top spot.”

SmackDown Superstar Chris Masters:
“Cena was the main man for the past three years on Raw. I know – I had to battle the guy several times, and he was the right man for the spot. Unfortunately, things happen. But a torn pec? I don’t know. The Masterpiece never had a torn pec. Maybe Cena’s getting a bit brittle.”

SmackDown announcer John Bradshaw Layfield:
“The only person in history who was more important to this company than John Cena was, of course, me. And that’s not even a fair comparison, because I was the greatest of all time. I carried the company for so long; 18 straight months of main events, unprecedented. Losing me to retirement still affects the company, even though the company is recovering and, thank God, I’m still doing commentary. But it is a significant loss.

“Cena has been our number one guy for quite a long time. The whole company is riding on his back. But now you’ve got an opportunity for somebody to step up. My opportunity to become a main-event guy came because Brock Lesnar decided to play football, and Big Show and some of the other big names were hurt. Somebody has an opportunity to step up here, an opportunity they wouldn’t normally have. So we’ll find out.”

ECW World Champion CM Punk:
“You hate to see anyone get hurt, or to see anything happen to the lineage of the WWE Title. Obviously, something like this breaks the lineage. The Orton-Cena Last Man Standing Match for No Mercy was something that I really looked forward to. I wish Cena the speediest recovery.

“What this does for Raw…. They just lost their top guy. It’s horrible for John Cena, but from a business point, it’s time to see who will step up. I know a lot of people will say that, but there are a lot of people who won’t take advantage of it.

“Again, this is a horrible thing to happen to anybody, but Cena’s been pretty much injury-free for six straight years, and that’s an accomplishment in itself. In this business, you get hurt. You have the schedule he has, you get hurt. A lot of people think he needed a break soon, but this isn’t the way he wanted to get it. Imagine how scary it’s going to be when John Cena comes back. He’s going to have that break and be refreshed. Whoever steps up, when John Cena comes back, they are going to be tested, that’s for sure.”

[MVP]

JBL's comments were a highlight as always :lol

[Jung]

I'd love to see a good old fashioned 8 man knockout 1 night tournament.

But it won't ever happen of course.

Would have been ideal for Cyber Sunday, the fans get to pick the participants in it.

[The Beltster]

If you want more Batista and Khali, then by all means have Taker move to Raw.And thats worse than Taker vs Mark Henry how?

[MVP]

shocking idea...why not PUSH someone into the main event to feud with Batista? I know he's ancient and not really world title material but Finlay would do a sterling job as the Animal's rival.

[The Beltster]

Rey Mysterio vs Batista is something that is going to happen with Batista turning I expect. Khali isnt the only option, and his shelf life is all but up now so I doubt he will be around much longer.

[MVP]

With Mysterio looking just as inadequate and out of place as he did with Khali no doubt.

Now if Mysterio was in the US title picture he'd not be severely handicapped size wise.

[Jung]

I think we'll have to agree that someone from SD or Raw is going to have to be pushed into the main event. At the moment Raw has HHH, Orton and thats about it, who knows with HBK and Jericho.

SD has Khali, Mysterio, Batista, Taker, Henry. I'm sorry that looks ugly if it were a midcard.

So something's got to give. I mean at the moment it might just be the weakest top line in WWE/F History.

[SuperKick Kid]

I really like what Punk had to say.

Wouldn't mind seeing him lose his ECW belt earlier in the night and then showing up in the Main Event to challenge for the WWE Championship.

However, the most likely choices the WWE will make are Orton or HHH.

I still think Jeff is the better of the three evils.

Triple H = Reign of Doom

Orton = Burial by Triple H

Jeff = Something new

[The Beltster]

This is easily the worst main event scene I can remember. Its worse than 1993.

[SuperKick Kid]

You know, I wonder if this will get No Mercy a better buyrate.

[Jung]

If it does lets hope WWE don't go "well this proves Triple H is a huge draw, lets keep the title on him for the next 8 years"

[Ravenmark]

I like the idea of Flair with the belt; But I think they'd need a babyface Flair to chase the belt for a month or so first as the underdog. This could work with a heel Orton holding the belt - calling Flair 'past it' etc with Flair maybe winning finally with a roll up or a small package at the blow off match.

I think Orton's got to have the belt on Sunday.

[MVP]

It'll get them a shedload of anti-Cena fans ready to hail the new champion.

[lafdugga]

I want an elimination chamber for the match, than we can get the champion Flair and oh hail the great one!

[dpddave]

Flair as champion would be a joke. He's being nothing more than a midcard jobber for the past year. Orton should be given the title.

[Rog]

This could be a blessing in disguise, a real and legitmate chance to shake things up and more importantly shake WWE out of the going through the motions stance they have taken. Put the belt on someone new, not Orton or HHH, they will never get a chance to do something like this again without fear of backlash.

[SuperKick Kid]

This could be a blessing in disguise, a real and legitmate chance to shake things up and more importantly shake WWE out of the going through the motions stance they have taken. Put the belt on someone new, not Orton or HHH, they will never get a chance to do something like this again without fear of backlash.

Exactly. Which is why I think it's the perfect time to put it on Jeff.

[Dave7g]

I'd put on Matt far quicker than Jeff. Jeff hasn't had a memorable match in years.

[Jung]

I'd put on Matt far quicker than Jeff. Jeff hasn't had a memorable match in years.

The Umaga match on PPV doesn't count then?

[Naitch]

Bad news for WWE and bad news for their Wrestlemania main event. I'm assuming it would have been either Triple H vs. Cena or Batista vs. Cena, barring a miracle there is no way Cena is back before then. Anyone want to speculate on the alternatives? I know Taker vs. Edge is the most likely Smackdown main event but they need more than that on top. Hogan maybe? I just wonder how many people will be saying 'ya know, that Cena guy ain't so bad after all' over the next 6-12 months when we're watching Trips on top with the belt.

[wyndorf]

Are you jealous that Triple H is Shawn Michaels' best friend, SKK?

I was kinda hoping they'd leave Triple H's next run until Wrestlemania, but it'd be fun to see SKK's reaction if he won it at No Mercy.

Triple H is still being advertised as going one on one with Umaga. It'd make zero sense for HHH's biggest nemesis to suddenly say "Well, I hate Triple H so I'm going to give you a shot at the title"

I'm leaning towards the Undertaker. As far as I know, he hasn't got a match lined up - and has history with Orton. This option lets me go weak at the knees (heh) at a possible Triple H/Undertaker feud.

Jeff Hardy?

:lol

[The Beltster]

I think Hogan working WM isnt out of the relms of believability due to Cena being out and them needing to sell about 60,000 tickets without a legit feeling main event.

Maybe Hogan could put Flair over in his WM retirement the night after he goes into the HOF? Never happen, but would be a cool semi-main event match.

[Naitch]

I am, of course, fantasy booking but I was really seeing the main being heel Batista vs. Cena, maybe now that Cena is more than likely out of the equation...Hogan vs. heel Batista?

[SuperKick Kid]

Are you jealous that Triple H is Shawn Michaels' best friend, SKK?

I was kinda hoping they'd leave Triple H's next run until Wrestlemania, but it'd be fun to see SKK's reaction if he won it at No Mercy.

Triple H is still being advertised as going one on one with Umaga. It'd make zero sense for HHH's biggest nemesis to suddenly say "Well, I hate Triple H so I'm going to give you a shot at the title"

I'm leaning towards the Undertaker. As far as I know, he hasn't got a match lined up - and has history with Orton. This option lets me go weak at the knees (heh) at a possible Triple H/Undertaker feud.

Jeff Hardy?

I'm starting to cope with the idea of HHH or Orton as champ.

I still won't like it and I think WWE will be wasting a major opportunity.

and as for Dave7Rebel
Let's see last memorable Jeff matches........

Umaga, MITB, 4 Team Ladder Match, Ladder Match with Nitro, etc... plus the fact that Jeff consistently has been having the best matches on Raw week after week.

[The Beltster]

I am, of course, fantasy booking but I was really seeing the main being heel Batista vs. Cena, maybe now that Cena is more than likely out of the equation...Hogan vs. heel Batista?I'd cry if Hogan vs Batista was the main event of WM, simply because neither could carry the other and it would likely be horrible. Hogan vs Cena is the only match I REALLY want to see now that Austin p*ssed and moaned his way out of the Hogan vs Austin deal.

Hogan vs HBK rematch would be great, especially if they used old blue bars, but I dont want to see Hogan put over that scrawny little b*stard so maybe its good it doesnt.

WM needs more Hogan!!! :lol

We might get the HHH vs Batista rematch from WM21. Maybe Jericho will be back and built up enough to main event by then?

[SuperKick Kid]

Hogan vs HBK rematch would be great, especially if they used old blue bars, but I dont want to see Hogan put over that scrawny little b*stard so maybe its good it doesnt.

If HBK and Hogan do face each other again, I think it should be Hollywood Hogan vs DX-HBK.

[Naitch]

I'd book Michaels to tap out in 3 seconds to a Hogan back rake special and then have Beefake, Bubba Love Sponge and Knobbs pin him one after the other. Michaels would literally cry.

Maybe Patterson could work his magic and do something with Batista vs. Hogan. I'm just not really seeing where their big matches are going to come from now barring maybe Edge vs. Taker.

[SuperKick Kid]

I'd book Michaels to tap out in 3 seconds to a Hogan back rake special and then have Beefake, Bubba Love Sponge and Knobbs pin him one after the other. Michaels would literally cry.

Didn't Hogan tap out to the Sharpshooter in his match with Michaels at SummerSlam 2005?

It just didnt count because the referee was knocked out.

[The Beltster]

If HBK and Hogan do face each other again, I think it should be Hollywood Hogan vs DX-HBK.That would work, especially if we had run-ins from The Outsiders and the NAO's/X-Pac.

[Danny Styles]

well i'm not going to pretend i'm not happy the belt is off Cena and he's off TV for a bit, but i think the Cena/Orton feud warranted Orton winning the belt in a match it was so good.

None the less Cena did great with his reign and Raw will miss him, i just hope this creates an opportunity for someone new or Y2J to step, NOT an invitation for HHH to get lame world title reign number whatever

[SuperKick Kid]

I don't think Triple H will become Champion because he is feuding with Vince and he already has a match with Umaga, why would he be put in a title match. So I am ruling Triple H out.

I think it will be Randy Orton vs Jeff Hardy if it is a 1-on-1 match-up.

and I do not think Jericho will be at No Mercy.

[Moobs]

I'm leaning towards Jungta's idea of giving the belt to Jeff, as you can't really go wrong. He's mega over, and he's not too bad in the ring. I don't see why he couldn't hold it for a month or so, perhaps even longer, before losing it to an Orton or a Triple H.

It's something new, why not?

[Danny Styles]

why would he be put in a title match.
same reason he squashed five guys all in one night, because he's HHH

[SuperKick Kid]

same reason he squashed five guys all in one night, because he's HHH

No, I mean why when he is feuding with the Owner of the Company, would he be put into a title match?

[Jung]

same reason he squashed five guys all in one night, because he's HHH

Unfortunately I totally agree as to why Tripper will probably win.

Forget storyline logic, its HHH, he'll do what he likes.

[SuperKick Kid]

Dammit people, we need to think positively.

Otherwise we might get another Reign of Doom.

[Craig]

Dammit people, we need to think positively.

Otherwise we might get another Reign of Doom.

I'm trying to, but with you and others saying Jeff Hardy will win the title it just makes me cry and pray to every God I can think of that it doesn't happen. Come on Triple H, win that title for us all if Jeff is the only other option!

[The Beltster]

You never know, Jeff might put himself on the shelf with some of that vigorous dancing he does during his entrance, and we might not see him for 6 months.

[Dave7g]

I think it's the dancing that makes me dislike Jeff, does he not realise that he's dancing to stock porn music? And is that really dancing?

[Nemesis Enforcer]

I'd not put the belt on Jeff Hardy, for one he's the IC champ and I really wouldn't want to see both belts on the same guy, at some point the heavyweight champ would have to lose the IC belt to someone who would be no more then an upper mid-carder at most and that would devalue the heavyweight title reign

I'd rarther see Orton get the belt and move a face up to challenge him until Jericho is ready for his big comeback

[OMAR DAYS]

The best thing to come out of this for me has to be hearing that my 9 year old cousin was crying last night after I told him on the phone that Cena was stripped of the belt and was out for 6 months.

[Dave7g]

The best thing to come out of this for me has to be hearing that my 9 year old cousin was crying last night after I told him on the phone that Cena was stripped of the belt and was out for 6 months.

I didn't realise that you and Draven were related!

[Ravenmark]

Just took a look at the WWE @ the special olympics pictures on WWE.com and Mick Foley looks like he's lost a load of weight - his face no longer has that chubbiness about it.

Maybe he could help the main event picture in the short term.

[OMAR DAYS]

Just took a look at the WWE @ the special olympics pictures on WWE.com and Mick Foley looks like he's lost a load of weight - his face no longer has that chubbiness about it.

Maybe he could help the main event picture in the short term.

Foley looks ill!

[The Beltster]

Check out Torrie's deformed lips/mouth and nose. The surgeon really butchered that girl!

[Jung]

Foley looks like early 90's Foley. Maybe he might be back for a short term stint?

They could certainly do with someone like him. At least he'd do his utmost to make lesser names look like stars unlike various others.

[Kanenite]

I'd not put the belt on Jeff Hardy, for one he's the IC champ and I really wouldn't want to see both belts on the same guy, at some point the heavyweight champ would have to lose the IC belt to someone who would be no more then an upper mid-carder at most and that would devalue the heavyweight title reign

I'd rarther see Orton get the belt and move a face up to challenge him until Jericho is ready for his big comeback

Unless they had whoever Jeff was feuding with interfere costing him the Title.

But Jeff as Champion doesn't seem right, sure he's mega over and is one of the top faces on RAW but as WWE Champion? It doesn't seem right, not yet anyway. I'm really struggling to think of who would be WWE Champion now, they have a couple of guys who could fill the spot but I wonder if anyone from Smackdown will be brought over, either way i'm really anticipating No Mercy, i'll check results anyway.

[Slim Jim]

Now I understand why Torrie looks like she does in the screenshots for SDvsRaw 08.

[dpddave]

Just took a look at the WWE @ the special olympics pictures on WWE.com and Mick Foley looks like he's lost a load of weight - his face no longer has that chubbiness about it.

Maybe he could help the main event picture in the short term.

Foley really need's to have a fued with Umaga. That would be awesome i'm sure. They seemed to plant the seed's for one on RAW a while back,but must have pulled the plug on it.

[Naitch]

Foley-Umaga would have been the cat's pyjamas. I thought that would have been what they were going with going into Summerslam but then the Jackass thing came up so they opted to do that instead but then that fell through and Umaga was left with his thumb up his ass. Umaga murdering Foley on Raw that one time though was badass. Foley likes to die and Umaga doesn't mind killing, a street fight with plenty of smoke and mirrors between the two would be glorious.

That, Umaga vs. Taker and Umaga vs. Rey are matches I would bitchslap my granny to see.

[SuperKick Kid]

Foley would be good to make a return.

Personally, I think he should go to ECW. A Punk/Foley feud that has a hardcore match in there somewhere could be quite excellent. http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5599/647fde5f7e64bcf753ffc7eeq9.gif

[etz]

Foley would be good to make a return.

Personally, I think he should go to ECW. A Punk/Foley feud that has a hardcore match in there somewhere could be quite excellent. http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5599/647fde5f7e64bcf753ffc7eeq9.gif

Oh yes, this has to happen!

PS Foley looks fantastic, not ill. Torrie, well, she's showing Barbie what it means to be plastic....

I was trying to kill that bug you b*****d :D

[SuperKick Kid]

New Preview:


History will be made!
By Greg Adkins
Written: October 3, 2007

A match for the WWE Championship will be held this Sunday at No Mercy, and history will be made. That much is certain. What’s less apparent is just who that history maker will be.

With the WWE Title vacated because of John Cena’s severe injury, speculation is swirling over who stands the best chance of succeeding West Newbury, Mass.’s favorite son as WWE Champion. One potential favorite? The man credited with sidelining the now former WWE Champion for 6 to 12 months — none other than Randy Orton.

The Legend Killer was scheduled to battle Cena for the title in a Last Man Standing Match and has been making his case for months. While WWE officials may not simply hand over the gold to Orton, the third-generation Superstar could be the odds-on favorite going into the WWE Championship Match this Sunday.

But before Orton thinks the gold is his for the taking, he should be sure to check his rearview mirror. Looming large are other Superstars likely chomping at the bit for an opportunity at the title.

Intercontinental Champion Jeff Hardy cannot be ruled out. He’s been flying high lately and proving his mettle by dropping a flurry of Swanton Bombs all over the Raw roster.

And despite the fact that Umaga and Triple H will be battling one another in a separate match at No Mercy, these two powerhouses would undoubtedly be a threat to secure the title. The Samoan Bulldozer is a two-time Intercontinental Champion who may have an appetite for WWE Championship gold. And The King of Kings is a 10-time World Champion who has said he wants an 11th reign at the top.

In his infinite ingenuity, Mr. McMahon may see fit to open the title match to other WWE brands. Could the Chairman give the current World Heavyweight Champion Batista and his No Mercy opponent, The Great Khali, dual title opportunities? The same holds true for current ECW Champion CM Punk and his colossal challenger at No Mercy, Big Daddy V.

The opportunity to lay claim to the WWE Championship could even draw out Superstars not currently active on the WWE roster. Could we see the return of Superstars who have been sidelined with injury or familiar faces who haven’t been seen in WWE for quite some time?

And no speculation over the future WWE Champion would be complete without whisperings of a dark horse, a long shot so unexpected that their mere presence would send the crowd and any opponent back on their heels.

And who knows? Perhaps vanity and opportunity may lure Mr. McMahon himself into competition. Taking advantage of heartbreaking circumstances is certainly not beneath the Chairman, as those who know him well can attest. And Mr. McMahon is a former WWE Champion and ECW Champion.

As rumors surrounding the future of the WWE Championship persist, one thing remains clear: Whoever finally emerges from No Mercy on Sunday wearing the WWE Championship gold will have very large shoes to fill indeed.

See history made at No Mercy. Find out who will be the new WWE Champion by catching No Mercy live and only on pay-per-view, this Sunday Oct. 7 at 8/7 CT.

[Jimmy Redman]

Fatal Four Way maybe, Orton v Hardy v HHH v Umaga? If McMahon adds both Trips and Umaga to the match, it doesnt seem so nonsensical. And I mean Vince doesnt have to make the match, Regal definitely could, hell even someone like Linda could. Or HHH could 'force' Vince to put him in the match.

In any case, HHH with the belt makes me want to cry.

[SuperKick Kid]

Fatal Four Way maybe, Orton v Hardy v HHH v Umaga? If McMahon adds both Trips and Umaga to the match, it doesnt seem so nonsensical. And I mean Vince doesnt have to make the match, Regal definitely could, hell even someone like Linda could. Or HHH could 'force' Vince to put him in the match.

In any case, HHH with the belt makes me want to cry.

It makes most of us that witnessed the 'Reign of Doom' want to cry.

Anyway, I am dying to know what is going to happen. I haven't anticipated anything this much all year, other than Wrestlemania.

[Jimmy Redman]

You know, 6 months from Monday is the 1st of April. Wrestlemania is on the 30th March. Lets hope for a miracle.

Failing that, I know they'd want to rush him back as soon as possible, but ideally they'd wait for Summerslam or something big.

[Craig]

You know, 6 months from Monday is the 1st of April. Wrestlemania is on the 30th March. Lets hope for a miracle.

If anyone can overcome those odds, it's John Cena.

[Jimmy Redman]

If anyone can overcome those odds, it's John Cena.

Damn skippy. He's probably cutting that promo on the doctors right now.

On another note, one does wonder who will win the Royal Rumble, now that there's no Cena to come back in January and win it.

[The Beltster]

Damn skippy. He's probably cutting that promo on the doctors right now.And the Doctor doesnt appreciate being called gay and being told he smells like a fart, either!

:xyx

[Twig]

And the Doctor doesnt appreciate being called gay and being told he smells like a fart, either!

:xyx

Oh please, Cena doesn't tlak about farts....... he seems more obsessed with a guy's "small package"

[DC]

I find it hilarious that people rag on Cena for using gay/dick jokes in his promos, yet The Rock (rightly revered as one of the best promos ever) did the same thing most of the time and doesn't get anywhere near the negativity of the former champeen.

[dpddave]

That's because the Rock was good at it. Cena's promo's for the most part lately have been rubbish and unfunny. (i no he doesn't write them)

[The Beltster]

I find it hilarious that people rag on Cena for using gay/dick jokes in his promos, yet The Rock (rightly revered as one of the best promos ever) did the same thing most of the time and doesn't get anywhere near the negativity of the former champeen.The Rock's promos had good delivery and thats probably the reason people remember him as a good talker, but the content was sh*t just like Cena's, although Cena doesnt have good delivery either.

Could be worse, could be Ric Flair :lol

[Matt]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes finally we will have a new champ crowned. this is the best news ive heard in ages. Nothing against Cena and im sorry to hear the guy is injured but his character bores me and when he appears on Raw i change channels. Hopefully it will be Orton taking the gold as i think goin on form he is the best in the company right now (and has been for a long time).

Please whoever gets the gold drop the stupid GLC looking belt. Its just gives the title no credibiltiy at all.

[MVP]

I was watching Armageddon 2002 yesterday and it reminded me that Cena was far more entertaining as a heel than he has been since turning babyface,why can't we have him return as a heel?

I know he does huge business as the babyface champion but surely he could have a brief run as a heel again and give the rub to a mid-card babyface such as Cody Rhodes.

Anyways as long as the title match at No Mercy is entertaining than I'll be a happy man.

[OMAR DAYS]

I was watching Armageddon 2002 yesterday and it reminded me that Cena was far more entertaining as a heel than he has been since turning babyface,why can't we have him return as a heel?



That must have been hard considering he wasn't on the card!

[MVP]

That must have been hard considering he wasn't on the card!

You're right,he was not scheduled for a match but he did come out and cut a promo with B2 mid-way through the show :)

[SuperKick Kid]

You know, I was thinking about it early. Remember Jeff's first I-C Title win in 2001?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euI830g1Acc

The thing about Jeff is that he doesn't need to be good at promos, he doesn't even need to promo at all. His actions speak for him.

Gotta love the beginning of the vid where they recap Jeff attacking Austin and HHH with a chair, and then following it up by giving Steph the Twist of Fate.

Jeff plays the underdog character very well, and I think he'd make a great underdog champ.

[OMAR DAYS]

You're right,he was not scheduled for a match but he did come out and cut a promo with B2 mid-way through the show :)

Shows how much of an impact it made on me, I couldn't even remember it

[MVP]

Shows how much of an impact it made on me, I couldn't even remember it

Not much to remember because the show was pretty rubbish as I'm sure you'll agree.

[OMAR DAYS]

Not much to remember because the show was pretty rubbish as I'm sure you'll agree.

No I won't agree, Benoit V Guerrero was great, the Main Event was great, the opener was great, A-Train V Edge was good, Angle V Big Show was decent plus it had Torrie Wilson and Dawn Marie kissing.

[MVP]

damn......I just thought of someone WWE might put the belt on - MICK FOLEY !!!!!

[dsrchris]

damn......I just thought of someone WWE might put the belt on - MICK FOLEY !!!!!

Dear sweet Jesus that would be awesome.

[Darkstar]

damn......I just thought of someone WWE might put the belt on - MICK FOLEY !!!!!

Damn, that was so mentioned 2 pages ago.

[Nemesis Enforcer]

As long as Vince doesn't put the title on himself again I will not be too displeased with whoever the title goes on, going by the preivew of the names mentioned in it, Jeff Hardy, Umaga etc, I can only realistically see it going to either Orton or HHH

My choice would be Orton who has been on fire with his feud with Cena, maybe have Jeff drop the IC belt and feud with him for a while until a more high calibre opponant resturns

[dsrchris]

I'd quite like to see no definite winner to the title match on Sunday, meaning that part of Survivor Series would be a championship tournament. I like the idea of the "Survivor" becoming WWE champ. If you have say an 8 man tournament, then there is always the option of letting one of the underdogs win it. A tri brand tournament at Survivor Series that has to be qualified for with matches on the respective brands in the 2 weeks leading up to the PPV?

Just an idea (well an idea that's blatantly the same as the corporate champion thing, but meh)

[Jung]

I'd rather have a tournament at Cyber Sunday in which the public can pick the competitors, but the final be left till Survivor Series, where the public (at Cyber Sunday) could pick the type of match.

Just draws it out a bit more.

[OMAR DAYS]

I'd rather have a tournament at Cyber Sunday in which the public can pick the competitors, but the final be left till Survivor Series, where the public (at Cyber Sunday) could pick the type of match.

Just draws it out a bit more.

We'd be getting Val Venis V Stevie Richards!

[Nemesis Enforcer]

We'd be getting Val Venis V Stevie Richards!Now thats a match worthy of the title!!!

[Jung]

We'd be getting Val Venis V Stevie Richards!

Oh obviously you do the same as every Cyber Sunday and rig it a bit.

Just put a couple of surprise entrants in there i.e. CM Punk, Jeff Hardy, Mick Foley to make it seem abit more authentic.

[Ravenmark]

I know I mentioned Foley a couple of pages ago, but I can't really see it.

I think he's happy with his schedule and his contract is that he only has to wrestle 2 matches per year with WWE and appear in the build up on Raw for those matches. By my working out, he can still work one match this year though...

Plus, his knees are knackered, he's had a shed load of concussions - does he really need the money?

Probably not, but the as Paul Heyman said, Foley is a wh0re; he'll do anything for money.

[dsrchris]

I'd rather have a tournament at Cyber Sunday in which the public can pick the competitors, but the final be left till Survivor Series, where the public (at Cyber Sunday) could pick the type of match.

Just draws it out a bit more.

Good point.

Would it be worth starting a poll for a giggle just to see what kind of results people would go for on here?

If there were a tournament who do you think would/should be the 8 competitors and why? Also which stipulations would you like to see as votable for the "final encounter" at survivor series?

[Jung]

Good point.

Would it be worth starting a poll for a giggle just to see what kind of results people would go for on here?

If there were a tournament who do you think would/should be the 8 competitors and why? Also which stipulations would you like to see as votable for the "final encounter" at survivor series?

My personal 8?

Orton, HHH, Foley, CM Punk, Jeff Hardy, Umaga, Mysterio, Kennedy.

I'd book quarters to be Orton/Foley, Umaga/Mysterio, HHH/Kennedy, Jeff Hardy/CM Punk. Orton, Umaga, HHH, Jeff go through.

Semi Finals...Orton beats HHH after Vince interference, Jeff beats Umaga.

Which leads to a ladder or TLC match at Survivor Series. Punk, Mysterio and Foley would be the surprise picks making the voting seem more realistic and improbable.

[Kanenite]

I'd quite like to see no definite winner to the title match on Sunday, meaning that part of Survivor Series would be a championship tournament. I like the idea of the "Survivor" becoming WWE champ. If you have say an 8 man tournament, then there is always the option of letting one of the underdogs win it. A tri brand tournament at Survivor Series that has to be qualified for with matches on the respective brands in the 2 weeks leading up to the PPV?

Just an idea (well an idea that's blatantly the same as the corporate champion thing, but meh)

That would be d great idea, i'd be all for it. I think it would make the WWE Title out to be some sort of monster Championship if we see everyone gunning for the chance to become Champion.

[Dave7g]

"And here is your winner....Triple H"

[SuperKick Kid]

"And here is your winner....Triple H"

OH, OH, OH DEAR GOD NO!!!!

[Da Showstoppa]

I wonder if our old friend the Elimination chamber is about to make an appearence in November?

[Nemesis Enforcer]

Vince and others are having a meeting today about what to do with the title situation so even they haven't decided yet!

[Nimf]

Oh bless. I just watched the video footge of the surgery and Cena looks ever so sad at the end-full fake little smile and everything.

[SuperKick Kid]

Go to WWE.com

They have two new polls.

One asking if Orton should be awarded the title.

The other asking if he should be barred from the WWE Title match.

Vote Orton to be barred from the match :)

[Al Stevens]

I voted that Orton should be Awarded the title :xyx

[Hardcore Holly]

Voted for Orton to get the title.

[Da Showstoppa]

Vited for Orton to get the title.

Me too.

[SuperKick Kid]

You are all sheep.

[Craig]

While you're all there, make sure you vote for Val Venis in the Who should be WWE Champion poll.

[SuperKick Kid]

While you're all there, make sure you vote for Val Venis in the Who should be WWE Champion poll.

Jim Neidhart?

[Al Stevens]

You are all sheep.


Yeah i love being a Baaaaaaaaaad boy :lol

[DC]

While you're all there, make sure you vote for Val Venis in the Who should be WWE Champion poll.Every time I go on the site I "Vote for Val". I love the fact he's running away with it and Snitsky is clear in 3rd place behind HHH.

[Drake]

Bah, we all know Santino should be on that poll.

[The Beltster]

I know alot of people are completely against Triple H getting the belt, and I'm not huge Triple H fan plus it wouldnt really make any sense to just throw the belt on him, but the guy hasnt held a World title in over 2 1/2 years which, if you were told that at WM21 when he dropped his last championship, you would never believe it, is quite surprising.

He is due, is all I'm saying.

[SuperKick Kid]

Right now this situation over the title has got everyone talking, the point is to keep everyone talking.

Orton or HHH winning the belt wouldn't do that in my opinion, you need a shocking win.

Jericho would be perfect for that, but I suspect that he is not ready to get back in the ring, or they want to keep speculation going on Jericho's return, so I don't see him being at No Mercy.

Edge making his return and snatching the WWE Championship would be good, but whether or not he is ready to return is in question.

Another choice is to go with someone who has rarely held the belt or who has never held the belt at all, I think that would definitely retain a lot of interest.

Either way, they have something good going right now, they should try to keep it up.

[Jung]

I know alot of people are completely against Triple H getting the belt, and I'm not huge Triple H fan plus it wouldnt really make any sense to just throw the belt on him, but the guy hasnt held a World title in over 2 1/2 years which, if you were told that at WM21 when he dropped his last championship, you would never believe it, is quite surprising.

He is due, is all I'm saying.

I'd be all for HHH holding the belt.....if it wasn't for his recent conduct.

He's been squashing people left right and centre and the fact he would supposedly now be the guy to be the pinnacle of the company who should create stars and promote feuds would just be awful.

Month after month of Trips squashing the challenger in all segments building up to the match.........and then squashing them in the match itself.

Its not what I'd go for as the guy to lead the company.

[Kanenite]

I know alot of people are completely against Triple H getting the belt, and I'm not huge Triple H fan plus it wouldnt really make any sense to just throw the belt on him, but the guy hasnt held a World title in over 2 1/2 years which, if you were told that at WM21 when he dropped his last championship, you would never believe it, is quite surprising.

He is due, is all I'm saying.

I agree. If someone even dared state that he wouldn't be Champion for atleast 2 and a half years after Wrestlemania 21 they'd be considered insane and i'd probably view them that way. However I think being away from the Title has done him some good, it's helped to lighten up the Main Event picture instead of it being the H Title. I wouldn't mind seeing him as Champion at all and now Cena's gone down they need someone to fill his place, Trips fits the part great in my oppinion.

[The Beltster]

I'd be all for HHH holding the belt.....if it wasn't for his recent conduct.

He's been squashing people left right and centre and the fact he would supposedly now be the guy to be the pinnacle of the company who should create stars and promote feuds would just be awful.

Month after month of Trips squashing the challenger in all segments building up to the match.........and then squashing them in the match itself.

Its not what I'd go for as the guy to lead the company.Dont get me wrong, I'm not calling for Triple H to get the belt, there are others I'd prefer before him, but I'm saying he has been away from it for a long long time, and he is likely due a run. With Cena going down and Vince likely going into panic mode, I wouldnt be surprised to see him leave with the title at No Mercy.

I just hope whoever wins it ditches the spinner.

[Jung]

Dont get me wrong, I'm not calling for Triple H to get the belt, there are others I'd prefer before him, but I'm saying he has been away from it for a long long time, and he is likely due a run. With Cena going down and Vince likely going into panic mode, I wouldnt be surprised to see him leave with the title at No Mercy.

I just hope whoever wins it ditches the spinner.

Oh absolutely I'd be more than happy if he had it as he has been out the title picture for ages. Its just with his current attitude I could see what could happen.

But yeah get the old belt back, all these gimmick belts make it seem so tacky.

[SuperKick Kid]

Triple H doesn't need the title, just like Undertaker and HBK don't need the title.

Their names are above the belt, the belt is used to elevate superstars to that level they those three are currently at, which is why HHH should not get the belt.

Instead of taking a step back and putting it on Triple H, they need to take a step forward and chance giving it to someone in the new generation.

I think only two people should even have a chance of winning the belt on Sunday, Randy Orton or Jeff Hardy because that is what the feud over the belt is going to be immediately after No Mercy.

HHH is busy elsewhere and should stay there, you take HHH away from Umaga and put him in the main event, where does Umaga go? Feud with Jeff again?

Jeff vs Orton is the feud over the belt I am predicting. At least it should be in my opinion.

EDIT: If they made Jeff champion, then they could keep the spinner belt ;)

[Jung]

I think giving the belt to HHH wouldn't be great for WWE lockeroom morale.

I mean if there's ever been a time for WWE to try something new or elevate somebody, this is the time. Probably won't be a more appropriate time either.

Major built main event, lack of stars due to various reasons, roid scandal affecting publicity, thus just a great opportunity for something fresh.

If they just have HHH win it that will surely tell the midcard and the roster "yeah sorry, none of you are good enough to take a chance on". It would be like 1992 and going right Savage is off, Flair too, who do we give the belt too? Yeah lets call Hogan up and try and coax him back.

It might be good for short term business, but long term you're basically saying to potential stars in the making, you aren't anywhere near good enough.

[The Beltster]

I dont think anybody is above the WWE title, personally. Your legit big name main event guys should be the ones holding it, bringing it prestiege.

[DC]

I dont think anybody is above the WWE title, personally. Your legit big name main event guys should be the ones holding it, bringing it prestiege.I agree with you there. No-one is above holding the World title. There are those who don't need it to be main-event players, but they still aren't above it.

[SuperKick Kid]

I agree with you there. No-one is above holding the World title. There are those who don't need it to be main-event players, but they still aren't above it.

That's what I meant, I'm just not that great at expressing my thoughts in words.

[The Beltster]

I think there are some guys who still need it who are already established stars, to be honest SKK. I know Triple H is a main event guy, but I do think he needs World title runs to keep that stature. I just see him as a guy who seems naked without the World title. Same with Batista. Now, I hate Batista, I think he sucks, but without the World title he seems to lose his purpose.

Undertaker and Shawn not so much, because they are guys who can be classed as legends. Those guys dont need it, but its nice to see them have a run here and there.

[The Franchise]

Dont get me wrong, I'm not calling for Triple H to get the belt, there are others I'd prefer before him, but I'm saying he has been away from it for a long long time, and he is likely due a run. With Cena going down and Vince likely going into panic mode, I wouldnt be surprised to see him leave with the title at No Mercy.

I just hope whoever wins it ditches the spinner.

The only other person I see holding that belt other than Cena & HHH is Randy Orton or Mr.Kennedy. Nobody else on Raw I could see holding the title. I mean at this point the WWE title picture isnt just thin its anorexic.:sad:

[MG]

The only other person I see holding that belt other than Cena & HHH is Randy Orton or Mr.Kennedy. Nobody else on Raw I could see holding the title. I mean at this point the WWE title picture isnt just thin its anorexic.:sad:

Taker! Taker! Taker!

[Nemesis Enforcer]

Taker! Taker! Taker!He's not on Raw (yet) so he doesn't count :lol

[MG]

He's not on Raw (yet):lol

Can we revaluate that at 4.07am Tuesday Morning?! :)

[Nemesis Enforcer]

Can we revaluate that at 4.07am Tuesday Morning?! :)
Can we make it about 12pm Tuesday i'll be asleep as soon as Raw ends and won't be up until then :lol

[MG]

Can we make it about 12pm Tuesday i'll be asleep as soon as Raw ends and won't be up until then :lol

Raw normally finishes at 4.07am...!

Taker! Taker! Taker!

HA!

[SuperKick Kid]

Raw normally finishes at 4.07am...!

Taker! Taker! Taker!

HA!

No, putting it on Taker would be saying to the up and comers that management is not willing to take a risk on them. Taker or HHH should not win the belt this Sunday.

They have a great opportunity here to put it on someone new.

[Jung]

And it would Smackdown even less star heavy, well leave it with barely anyone who can draw.

[OMAR DAYS]

No, putting it on Taker would be saying to the up and comers that management is not willing to take a risk on them. Taker or HHH should not win the belt this Sunday.

They have a great opportunity here to put it on someone new.

Seriously though no one will buy into Jeff Hardy who is what your getting at. I know you'll use the "But people wanted him to beat Taker!!!" but that was a simple case of getting caught up in the moment, hell if booked it correctly you could get caught up in the moment of the Brooklyn Brawler almost beating Hulk Hogan, maybe not but you get the point.

Hardy has always been nothing more than a Midcard edging on Upper Midcarder and he always will be. Putting it on him won't exactly do the belt justice, regardless of whether you like Cena or not he has given the belt a lot of prestige to the point (in kayfabe terms) it means or would mean a lot to get the belt, hell Randy would go so far to kick another Man's dad in the head to get a rematch. He'd be a fine jobbed to the Main Event which is what Kennedy should be for ever, unless he mans up in the in-ring department.

[Jung]

Seriously thought no one will buy into Jeff Hardy who is what your getting at. I know you'll use the "But people wanted him to beat Taker!!!" but that was a simple case of getting caught up in the moment, hell if booked correct you could get caught up in the moment of the Brooklyn Brawler almost beating Hulk Hogan, maybe not but you get the point.

Hardy has always been nothing more than a Midcard edging on Upper Midcarder and he always will be. Putting it on him won't exactly do the belt justice, regardless of whether you like Cena or not he has given the belt a lot of prestige to the point (in kayfabe terms) it means or would mean a lot to get the belt, hell Randy would go so far to kick another Man's dad in the head to get a rematch. He'd be a fine jobbed to the Main Event which is what Kennedy should be for ever, unless he mans up in the in-ring department.

I think everyone is getting a bit confused here.

This match at No Mercy isn't going to be saying "this is who we want to lead the company years into the future".

Its going to say "this how we view out future". If someone like Taker or HHH wins, clearly they see the future as very pessimistic, cause they have absolutely no faith to try someone new.

If Jeff Hardy or Umaga wins, nobody is saying "they are the new John Cena, to lead the company" its more saying, that WWE is willing to try people new, try a different approach, have confidence in the next generation of superstars.

[OMAR DAYS]

I think everyone is getting a bit confused here.

This match at No Mercy isn't going to be saying "this is who we want to lead the company years into the future".

Its going to say "this how we view out future". If someone like Taker or HHH wins, clearly they see the future as very pessimistic, cause they have absolutely no faith to try someone new.

If Jeff Hardy or Umaga wins, nobody is saying "they are the new John Cena, to lead the company" its more saying, that WWE is willing to try people new, try a different approach, have confidence in the next generation of superstars.

I just can't see why giving midcarders the big title would be good for business, the biggest title in the company should be for main eventers such as Randy Orton and the Undertaker. I agree though with Umaga, he has Main Eventer potential, Jeff Hardy on the other hand does not.

Like I think you said (It could have been someone else) but what if pushing MVP or someone like that into the Main Event to quick totally bombs, that's a main eventer and a possible draw you'll have tarnished.

[Jung]

I just can't see why giving midcarders the big title would be good for business, the biggest title in the company should be for main eventers such as Randy Orton and the Undertaker. I agree though with Umaga, he has Main Eventer potential, Jeff Hardy on the other hand does not.

Like I think you said (It could have been someone else) but what if pushing MVP or someone like that into the Main Event to quick totally bombs, that's a main eventer and a possible draw you'll have tarnished.

Thing is though how do you know Jeff Hardy doesn't have main event potential?

The ratings aren't good or bad, so what would you lose?

Was HHH in 1995, The Rock in 1996/97, and countless others main event potential?

You don't know the time and the only reason I'd give Jeff a go is that its a win/win situation. Whatever happens you lose nothing.

[OMAR DAYS]

Thing is though how do you know Jeff Hardy doesn't have main event potential?

The ratings aren't good or bad, so what would you lose?

Yes there not excellent granted but they can still get worse, dropping into the 2's would be horrible for the WWE.

Was HHH in 1995, The Rock in 1996/97, and countless others main event potential?

Yes but take that into consideration, they were 2 or 3 year rookies, Hardy is somewhat of a 10 year pro who should be better in the ring and on the mic after 10 years working in the business.


You don't know the time and the only reason I'd give Jeff a go is that its a win/win situation. Whatever happens you lose nothing.

Again like I said, you can still get worse Ratings and Buy-rates which is something the WWE does not need right now.

I just think right now, the WWE should go into Safety mode and put it on a credible Main Eventer and build someone up for a big win at a meaningful PPV.

[Jung]

Yes there not excellent granted but they can still get worse, dropping into the 2's would be horrible for the WWE.

Yes but take that into consideration, they were 2 or 3 year rookies, Hardy is somewhat of a 10 year pro who should be better in the ring and on the mic after 10 years working in the business.

Again like I said, you can still get worse Ratings and Buy-rates which is something the WWE does not need right now.

I just think right now, the WWE should go into Safety mode and put it on a credible Main Eventer and build someone up for a big win at a meaningful PPV.

What does ability having anything to do with it?

Lashley? Batista? Khali? Doesn't matter does it? Its about if you are popular which Jeff clearly is.

WWE have no need for safety mode. I mean they put on god awful shows imbetween really good show and what happens? Absolutely nothing the ratings don't change at all.

Thus it shows regardless of your product people aren't turning off, its just nobody new is turning on.

I can guarantee Jeff would get no worse buyrates than they are getting now. As I said its a win-win, they'd lose absolutely nothing. If it doesn't work, go back to HHH and Undertaker, play it safe. But I'd at least take a chance especially as you have so little to lose, yet far more to gain.

Just to add imagine if they put it on Taker or HHH and the ratings dropped to a 2? Then what do they do? They're f*cked. Jeff is the fail safe option. If he fails "ah well we knew he wasn't cracked up to be main event", if he succeeds they look like geniuses.

[SuperKick Kid]

Ok, Omar and I are arguing about this on MSN and I want some outside opinions.

Now we all know that Jeff Hardy isn't that great of a talker.

Omar says that in order to be Champ, you have to be a good talker or you have to have a good excuse for not talking, like being foreign, like Khali.

I say differently. Jeff never really has had to talk throughout any of his feuds, he talks with his actions rather than running his mouth, which I like for a change than the champ who comes out and delivers long promos.

[Da Showstoppa]

I really think that after having 13 solid months with a babyface as champion, that the next reign should be a heel reign and in my opinion the strongest heel by miles on Raw is Randy Orton. Also it seems to me that Triple H is locked in this feud with Vince (via Umaga) so why would Vince suddenly allow Triple H to get a sniff of the title that quickly. Therefore in the immediacy there needs to be a strong babyface to chase Orton until Triple H is done with Vince.

The obvious answer is Jericho - because there is no-one who is white hot as a babyface on Raw (in fact even 50% of the crowd were fed up with Cena anyway)

And why is there no white hot babyface ready? Simply because all the TV time has been taken up with Vince and Leprichauns and diva search guff and knock off gameshows - that's why!

I really wish Vince had gone through with the "McMahon death" because at least it looked like we were going to be spared McMahon's nonsensical promos each week. Now it's back to being McMahon skit overload every week. I'm loosing faith, and I'm fast loosing interest in WWE, and I suspect there are many more like me.

Those of you who say Jeff Hardy, let me ask you a question? If WWE wasn't in the state it is - would you have ever bought Jeff Hardy as WWE Champion?

[Jung]

Ok, Omar and I are arguing about this on MSN and I want some outside opinions.

Now we all know that Jeff Hardy isn't that great of a talker.

Omar says that in order to be Champ, you have to be a good talker or you have to have a good excuse for not talking, like being foreign, like Khali.

I say differently. Jeff never really has had to talk throughout any of his feuds, he talks with his actions rather than running his mouth, which I like for a change than the champ who comes out and delivers long promos.

It depends how you push someone or how the feud moves.

I mean take Hogan v Sting in 1997. How much did Sting say exactly?

Being an enigma can be fine, if done right. Let Jeff does his talking with the crazy stuff in the ring and let his opponent, be it Orton, Kennedy, HHH whoever, do the brunt of the talking.

[OMAR DAYS]

What does ability having anything to do with it?

Lashley? Batista? Khali? Doesn't matte