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Nemesis Enforcer
05-05-2007, 06:31 PM
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A judge sentenced a shocked and tearful Paris Hilton to 45 days in jail on Friday, ruling that the hotel heiress violated her probation for a previous traffic offence by knowingly driving without a valid license.
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Sauer rejected Hilton's defence that she didn't realize her license was suspended and ordered the 26-year-old socialite to report to a county detention facility on June 5.
Hilton wept and her mother, Kathy, yelled at the prosecutor, "You're pathetic," as the packed courtroom cleared.
The stunning decision capped a two-hour hearing in which prosecutors argued that Hilton was thumbing her nose at the court and seeking to be placed above the law, while defence lawyers said she was being singled out for harsh treatment because of her celebrity.
Taking the witness stand in her own defence, the star of the reality TV show "The Simple Life" testified that she was unaware her driving privileges had been completely suspended at the time police stopped her and impounded her car on February 27.
Hilton said her publicist, Elliot Mintz, had told her she was permitted to drive for work-related reasons after the first 30 days of her license suspension late last November, and that she relied on what he had said.
But the judge said he did not believe Hilton, pointing to a notice she had received from a police officer, and had signed, during another traffic stop in January.
He said Hilton had "completely ignored" that notice, which she had carried in her glove box for weeks, and another license suspension notice sent to her office address by the Department of Motor Vehicles that Hilton said she never saw.
"In my opinion, there's not doubt that she knew that her license had been suspended," the judge said. "She doesn't look at her mail, her personal assistant never goes through it either. ... I think she just wanted to disregard everything that was said and continued to drive no matter what."
"I'M SORRY"
In a final statement before she was sentenced, Hilton, dressed in a gray waist jacket, white blouse and black pants, her blond hair tied back in a pony tail, stood before the judge and denied that she had sought to flout the law.
"I did what I was told. I would never drive just because I want to. I follow the law and I respect the law. From now on I want to pay complete attention to everything," she said. "I just want to say I'm sorry."
But the judge was unmoved.
"Probation is revoked -- 45 days in jail," he declared.
Hilton's lawyer, Howard Weitzman, said he would appeal "to modify the sentence."
"It is clear that she has been selectively targeted for prosecution for who she is," he said outside the courthouse.
Hilton was sentenced in January to three years on probation and ordered into an alcohol-education program for pleading no contest -- the equivalent of a guilty plea -- to alcohol-related reckless driving after a September 2006 arrest.
In February, she was pulled over again for driving without headlights. Police impounded her car, a $190,000 blue Bentley, when they discovered she was driving on a suspended license.
Hilton recently finished taping episodes for a fifth season of "The Simple Life," which returns to the airwaves later this month.
Far be it for me to laugh but... :lol
So nice to see a celeb who like all the others think they are above the law jailed
Al Stevens
05-05-2007, 06:32 PM
hope they throw away the key so the general public wouldnt have to see this "Celeb" every again.
Evil Gringo
05-05-2007, 06:34 PM
Awesome news, seriously she a disgrace to her family name and the idea of celebrety...
I did not seek to flout the law and I did what I was told? Ok so driving without headlights on in the dark... So your driving instructor didn't tell you to do that?
Driving on a suspended license? The judge not make it clear the first time that was NOT ALLOWED...
Teach her a lesson, best thing for her.
She should have gave the judge her album,he would have given her life:P
She should have gave the judge her album,he would have given her life:P
Her acting skills are worse than her singing skills. If she gave a judge a copy of House Of Wax, she would've got the death penalty. :P
She'll probably be out of jail within a month on good behaviour anyway.
Her acting skills are worse than her singing skills. If she gave a judge a copy of House Of Wax, she would've got the death penalty. :P
She'll probably be out of jail within a month on good behaviour anyway.
A month my arse.
Lucky if she does 2 weeks:D
Darkstar
05-05-2007, 06:46 PM
Pff, I'd give her some hard time.........Im sorry. :(
Hardcore Holly
05-05-2007, 06:48 PM
hope they throw away the key so the general public wouldnt have to see this "Celeb" every again.
I disagree...I want her out and about so she can make more porno's for my viewing pleasure ;)
A month my arse.
Lucky if she does 2 weeks:D
Hence why I said 'within' :thumbsup
She is a spoilt brat though who if it wasn't for her father would be a complete nobody. She just seems so irresponsible, and maybe a prison sentence (regardless of how long) will make her grow up somewhat, and briefly open her eyes to the real world.
chaps
05-05-2007, 06:48 PM
I still would!
Hence why I said 'within' :thumbsup
She is a spoilt brat though who if it wasn't for her father would be a complete nobody. She just seems so irresponsible, and maybe a prison sentence (regardless of how long) will make her grow up somewhat, and briefly open her eyes to the real world.
The Auto-biogrophy will probably be next:lol
Nemesis Enforcer
05-05-2007, 06:50 PM
She is a spoilt brat though who if it wasn't for her father would be a complete nobody. She just seems so irresponsible, and maybe a prison sentence (regardless of how long) will make her grow up somewhat, and briefly open her eyes to the real world.
Put her in with real hardcore long term inmates... they'll open something up on her but it aint her eyes :lol
I want her out and about so she can make more porno's for my viewing pleasure ;)
I've borrowed that off a Mate, and still haven't watched it yet. :devil
OMAR DAYS
05-05-2007, 06:51 PM
Paris Hilton will be a Butch lesbo's bitch in prison
I've borrowed that off a Mate, and still haven't watched it yet. :devil
It's not nothing to get excited about really. My Mate claimed Chyna was more exciting than her!
I've borrowed that off a Mate, and still haven't watched it yet. :devil
It won't win any oscars but she is a good leading lady;) :P
Hardcore Holly
05-05-2007, 06:53 PM
I've borrowed that off a Mate, and still haven't watched it yet. :devil
haha give it a watch, its a laugh if nothing else :P but I do think she is quite hot though!!
Chris2K
05-05-2007, 07:11 PM
Ya see, Americans jailed Lil Kim and Paris Hilton, but Pete Doherty can't buy a prison sentance?
Hardcore Holly
05-05-2007, 07:14 PM
Thats a very good point, Pete Doherty has gotten away with murder compared to naughty naughty Paris.
Even Kate Moss and her friend "charlie";)
The.Icon
05-05-2007, 08:47 PM
Paris needs to wake up and stop being such a rich bitch, maybe this will knock some sense into Her.
Kanenite
05-05-2007, 11:21 PM
:lol Good news, silly spoiled brat should do some time, make her appreciate what she has.
Cathal
06-05-2007, 12:39 AM
Good for her,maybe she will make a sex tape in prison now.
Anime_Otaku
06-05-2007, 02:31 AM
I'm glad she got whats coming to her. Hope they don't get a reduction on the sentence.
Jimmy Redman
06-05-2007, 02:38 AM
Yes indeed, I do hope we all havent missed the obvious porno joke that being in prison entails.
Jaycey Baby
06-05-2007, 06:44 AM
It's not nothing to get excited about really. My Mate claimed Chyna was more exciting than her!
What, he's had both?
Chyna's sex tape made me want to hurl.
The.Icon
06-05-2007, 01:02 PM
What, he's had both?
Chyna's sex tape made me want to hurl.
Yes but that was because of Sean Waltman no doubt.
OMAR DAYS
06-05-2007, 01:04 PM
What, he's had both?
Chyna's sex tape made me want to hurl.
He has seen both
It's not nothing to get excited about really. My Mate claimed Chyna was more exciting than her!
It won't win any oscars but she is a good leading lady;) :P
haha give it a watch, its a laugh if nothing else :P but I do think she is quite hot though!!
Just finished watching the DVD Guys, and all I can say is it was pretty poor to say the least :tdown
Antihero
07-05-2007, 10:45 AM
Lets be honest, her high powered lawyer will probably get her community service, which, like Naomi she'll serve in designer togs.......she should be put in stocks for people to through rotten fish at as far as im concerned. As for those who said "they would", shes a lollipop headed, braindead, waste of the human gene pool, who you'd snap like a toothpick. Actually use her AS a toothpick.......that might work....
I think that she is being persecuted and I'm glad she has written to Mayor Arnold to get her sentence waived. I mean, she is a rich powerful woman who is a socialite and a Hollywoodite, they are better than us and are well above the law, because frankly, they are better than us!*
*Only playing with you, I say hang her!
The woman seriously cannot keep herself out of jail. Unless a true miracle occurs, I'm betting that this'll happen all over again.
Does it really matter?
People get done for driving offences every 30 minutes around the world, so its Paris Hilton!? She is a celebrity because everyone buys the magazines, watches the shows, and buy her clothes.....and talk about her on internet forums like its something thats not been done before......Its not exactly murder......
Al Stevens
07-05-2007, 05:41 PM
This i think is one the most comical things i read all day
Paris Hilton is devastated with a Los Angeles judge's decision to sentence her to 45 days behind bars - insisting she "doesn't deserve this." The hotel heiress will serve just under seven weeks in a California jail cell, after she was found guilty for violating a probation order and driving with a suspended license in February. The 26-year-old fought back tears as the sentence was handed down to her at Los Angeles County Superior Court by Judge Michael T. Sauer on Friday, but by Saturday afternoon she was back in Beverly Hills, Hollywood, to apparently drown her sorrows with a bout of retail therapy. Earlier that morning, Paris bemoaned her fate to waiting paparazzi outside her LA home, according to the New York Daily News. She said, "I told the truth yesterday. I feel that I was treated unfairly and that the sentence is both cruel and unwanted and I don't deserve this." Hilton is due to begin her prison stint at the Century Regional Detention Facility in Los Angeles County on June 5. Source IMDB.com
Sorry slag but you broke the law and you have to serve the time. I agree with Saz. Hang her
Sorry slag but you broke the law and you have to serve the time. I agree with Saz. Hang her
Great attitude.....! :roll
Al Stevens
07-05-2007, 05:48 PM
Yeah what ever, she has caused more broken heart than an emo convention
Yeah what ever, she has caused more broken heart than an emo convention
And this gives you the right to call her a slag!? She maybe be alot of things, but I dont see what gives you the right, from reading Heat or The Sun to call her a slag...
Nemesis Enforcer
07-05-2007, 05:54 PM
Great attitude.....! :roll
It is actually a great attitude when it comes to her... she thinks she is above the law, anyone else would have been given jail for the same offence so she should go too
It is actually a great attitude when it comes to her... she thinks she is above the law, anyone else would have been given jail for the same offence so she should go too
She broke the law....People do it every day, that doesnt exactly make her a slag!!
Antihero
07-05-2007, 06:00 PM
She broke the law....People do it every day, that doesnt exactly make her a slag!!
Dude, theres no excuse for her! Okay, a slag is a pretty strong word, but, if any normal girl slept around (alledgedly) as much as she did, thats pretty much what she'd get called, rightly or (as i feel) wrongly. However, its irrelevant as theres simply no way she'll actually serve the sentence. Though i can see the judge's point. They obviously wanted to make an example of her in the eyes of the law. What if she killed someone while DUI?
Nemesis Enforcer
07-05-2007, 06:04 PM
She broke the law....People do it every day, that doesnt exactly make her a slag!!
Why do you care so much if she's called a slag exactly?
It isn't the fact she broke the law its her attitude towards people, in the Simple Life he is a total bitch to everyone, she uses dogs as fashion statments, she see's herself as above the law, she sleeps with anyone that has a pulse tapes it then complains when the tape is sold
She is a slag, a bitch and anyother degrogatory term you can think of
dpddave
07-05-2007, 06:04 PM
I wonder will she be allowed have her litle puppy in there :P
Dude, theres no excuse for her! Okay, a slag is a pretty strong word, but, if any normal girl slept around (alledgedly) as much as she did, thats pretty much what she'd get called, rightly or (as i feel) wrongly.
I highlighted the key word....
Alledgedly, because we read it in Heat or The Sun....the only actual evidence is one video tape, made when she was 18, like many other celebds....
So she is going out partying and is pictured with different men, what gives us the moral high ground, to criticise when we dont know the full accounts.
Hell I did alot worse when at University, but if anyone had called me a slag, I would have laughed in their faces!!
However, its irrelevant as theres simply no way she'll actually serve the sentence. Though i can see the judge's point. They obviously wanted to make an example of her in the eyes of the law. What if she killed someone while DUI?
I have never said she shouldnt serve a term....She broke the law, and has been punished, yes she is naive to think she should not serve the term, my only gripe is that people break the law every day with driving offences, let her serve her term and get on with it. By writing about her on here were are only endorsing her celebrity status.
Why do you care so much if she's called a slag exactly?
It isn't the fact she broke the law its her attitude towards people, in the Simple Life he is a total bitch to everyone, she uses dogs as fashion statments, she see's herself as above the law, she sleeps with anyone that has a pulse tapes it then complains when the tape is sold
She is a slag, a bitch and anyother degrogatory term you can think of
I just find the word degrading, and unjustified on someone who you people have no idea about. You quote The Simple Life, like it is actual reality. The show is about as staged as Monday Night Raw tonight, yet because you see her in some magazine you think what is portrayed in the media is real, and then take a moral highground like your a saint.....
Sensationalism sells newspapers, and people like yourself obviously buy into the fact that everything you read or watch on the television about someone is real.....
The Simple Life is fake....The celebrity persona of Paris Hilton is fake, Newspaper stories are fake.....
Al Stevens
07-05-2007, 06:11 PM
And this gives you the right to call her a slag!? She maybe be alot of things, but I dont see what gives you the right, from reading Heat or The Sun to call her a slag...
First off i dont read those peice of crap i have made my option on my own choices and what other people told me like i heard off a mate if you dont have about 10 grand in your bank she isnt going to look at you or talk to you. Also there was the time in america where she tempted a farm boy to leave his lover for her becuase she was leading him on. That is a slag like behavior.
I dont like her and i know i wont ever met her and if i did i would say the same thing in stead of kissing her annoxic ass. It's the Same with Smack head Docharty i wouldnt be all nice to him because he is famous i would be honest with them and myself. They both have been found in breaking the law so they should experience what someone like ourself would have to do and thats face prision time, not get away with it because they are some faux celeberty who only got famous for being a daughter of a Billionaire and made a sex tape and appeared in one of the worse Reality TV shows second to Big Brother
First off i dont read those peice of crap i have made my option on my own choices and what other people told me like i heard off a mate if you dont have about 10 grand in your bank she isnt going to look at you or talk to you.
And he got this nugget of information from?!
Also there was the time in america where she tempted a farm boy to leave his lover for her becuase she was leading him on. That is a slag like behavior.
The show The Simple Life, is scripted...its about as close to reality as Hogan Knows Best!!
I dont like her and i know i wont ever met her and if i did i would say the same thing in stead of kissing her annoxic ass. It's the Same with Smack head Docharty i wouldnt be all nice to him because he is famous i would be honest with them and myself.
What if, and just what if, If you did meet her, you found out that her celebrity persona, and her real life persona happen to be completly different, and the fact that you had believed what you had been fed in the media.
They both have been found in breaking the law so they should experience what someone like ourself would have to do and thats face prision time, not get away with it because they are some faux celeberty who only got famous for being a daughter of a Billionaire and made a sex tape and appeared in one of the worse Reality TV shows second to Big Brother
I dont disagree, but its been shown that Celebrities will get away with it because they have the money too....look at OJ Simpson or Micheal Jackson
Credit: metro.co.uk
A wheelie dumb blonde
Wednesday 9th May 2007
Paris Hilton is back behind the wheel of her car just days after being handed a jail sentence for violating a driving ban.
The soon-to-be jail bird was snapped driving her £100,000 blue Bentley convertible after being sentenced for breaking the terms of her probation in an alcohol-related reckless driving case.
Paris, whose licence was reinstated in March after a five month ban, was followed by photographers as she lost her way in LA, finishing up in a dead-end even after reading print-out directions.
Photographers also reported she pulled three u-turns in a search for her final destination.
Meanwhile the 'Simple Life' star has been rallying her fans with an appeal for a pardon on her mySpace page.
Hilton has urged the Hilton die-hards to sign a petition to pardon her 'mistake', which she plans to give to California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.
In her defence she claims she provides beauty and excitement to '(most of) our otherwise mundane lives'.
Meanwhile a group called Citzens For A Better America have launched a Go Away Paris campaign selling T-Shirts and making a music video that sings 'So could you please just go away.'
Here (http://www.metro.co.uk/fame/article.html?in_article_id=48339&in_page_id=7) is the actual article showing a picture of her behind the wheel. If she didn't deserve jail before, she sure as hell does now.
She's making a mockery of the sentence imposed on her.
She is allowed to drive...isnt she?!
She is allowed to drive...isnt she?!I assume not since the reason she was/is being jailed is because she was driving with her licence revoked (as well as the drink driving, or something). So i'm guessing not.
From the end of that link this made me giggle,
Meanwhile a group called Citzens For A Better America have launched a Go Away Paris campaign selling T-Shirts and making a music video that sings 'So could you please just go away
She is allowed to drive...isnt she?!
Her licence has been suspended
The.Icon
10-05-2007, 05:07 PM
Her licence has been suspended
Her career should be suspended as well.
Popsi
10-05-2007, 05:08 PM
Paris, whose licence was reinstated in March after a five month ban, was followed by photographers as she lost her way in LA, finishing up in a dead-end even after reading print-out directions
She can drive
In the Metro it says "Whoops Driving while banned and on the phone - Paris has had better days", and that her licence is suspended.
The.Icon
10-05-2007, 05:14 PM
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Hiltongodirectlytojail/index.html
Here is my petition to have Paris serve Her full sentence as giving out in the courts. If you agree that She should serve the full term please sign it.
I dont agree that she should serve the full snetence given by the court, she should serve longer, especially for her latest indiscretion, and for that pathetic petition she wants to give to Governor Schwarzenegger.
Give her at the very least 3 months.
Nemesis Enforcer
10-05-2007, 05:19 PM
I can't belive the cheek In her defence she claims she provides beauty and excitement to '(most of) our otherwise mundane lives'
Lock the smug little bitch up!
The.Icon
10-05-2007, 05:19 PM
I dont agree that she should serve the full snetence given by the court, she should serve longer, especially for her latest indiscretion, and for that pathetic petition she wants to give to Governor Schwarzenegger.
Give her at the very least 3 months.
Ok I will edit the petition to say the full term or longer.
I don't know why but I did feel a bit sorry for her when she was sentenced to 45 days in the 1st place, but now I dont. She done the crime, now do the time and its about time she stopped moaning and complaining like a 3 year old.
Miss T
10-05-2007, 05:22 PM
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Hiltongodirectlytojail/index.html
Here is my petition to have Paris serve Her full sentence as giving out in the courts. If you agree that She should serve the full term please sign it.
Do you have nothing better to do with your life?
The.Icon
10-05-2007, 05:27 PM
Do you have nothing better to do with your life?
Not right this minute no, I'm on holiday from work so have nothing but time.
At last Malibu Barbie got busted hope the bitch gets full sentence served and gets to share a cell with some big butch Lesbo. Ha ha just deserts for having her shoved in our faces for the last 8 years.
xXx
Nemesis Enforcer
10-05-2007, 09:22 PM
Its been confirmed that Paris will be seperated from the hardcore criminals for her won safety due to her celeb status according to several newspaper and online reports
Credit: Yahoo
LOS ANGELES (AFP) - Arnold Schwarzenegger said Friday he has more pressing issues to deal with than whether or not to consider sparing celebrity socialite Paris Hilton from a jail sentence.
Supporters of the hotel heiress had launched an online petition urging the California governor and action-movie hero to grant her a pardon after she was slapped with a 45-day jail term last week.
But Schwarzenegger indicated on Friday that the nascent "Free Paris!" campaign is likely to end in disappointment.
"I've never got any request," Schwarzenegger said when asked if he would give Hilton a pardon, before adding: "But I have many more important things to think about."
In a blog posted on her MySpace homepage on Tuesday, Hilton urged fans to sign the petition being organized by a supporter.
The petition claimed Hilton has been used as a scapegoat by authorities seeking to highlight the dangers of drink-driving.
Hilton must begin her prison sentence at the Los Angeles Century Regional Detention Facility on June 5 or else risk seeing her sentence doubled.
She was handed her jail term after a court ruled she had violated her probation by driving twice after having been banned earlier this year following a conviction for drink-driving. Lawyers have said they will appeal the decision.
Well her last chance to avoid jail has gone it seems, and she will have to serve her sentrnce.
CREDIT~~~Evening Echo
Update on that G2G,
Paris Hilton may not serve her 45-day jail sentence in full, because state prisons are too overcrowded.
Hilton was given the sentence last week after violating terms of her 2006 drink-driving arrest.
The jail-bound socialite is due to begin her stint behind bars on June 5, and while California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is keeping coy about her chances of a pardon, state authorities believe she will benefit from the packed prison cells, which have been described as "bursting at the seams".
Los Angeles County sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore says: "It's possible that (Hilton's sentence) could be 21 days, 23 days. It's a complicated formula that the state sets down. It's possible that she could do less time."
But Whitmore warns the 26-year-old she will not be receiving any preferential treatment.
He adds: "She will be treated like any other inmate who's classified as a low-level security risk."
Nemesis Enforcer
12-05-2007, 04:40 PM
So long as she serve's the sentance I am happy, stick her in an overcrowded jail cell with lots of other inmates or better yet stick her in solitary confinement and forget about her for a few years
Or best idea yet send her to Tent City in Arizona where she can work on a chain gang, be fed meat unfit for human consumpion, have all her rights taken away and live under the hot desert sun all day
So long as she serve's the sentance I am happy, stick her in an overcrowded jail cell with lots of other inmates or better yet stick her in solitary confinement and forget about her for a few years
Or best idea yet send her to Tent City in Arizona where she can work on a chain gang, be fed meat unfit for human consumpion, have all her rights taken away and live under the hot desert sun all day
Because that punishment fits the crime....
Mr. Perfect
13-05-2007, 08:20 AM
Watching the Simple Life yesterday makes me SO damn happy she's in jail words cannot phathom.
I cant wait till June 5th now to see Paris Hilton get her just desserts. It's a shame she aint going to serve hard time, instead of the ridiculously soft sentence that she will probably receive.
Miss T
13-05-2007, 11:59 AM
Its funny to see you all get so worked up about Paris Hilton :lol
Popsi
13-05-2007, 12:04 PM
Honestly you would think she'd murdered your mothers the way you lot are going on. Get a grip.
Slim Jim
13-05-2007, 12:04 PM
http://weebls-stuff.com/articles/669/hotel-de-schmaris
Something I chuckled at.
Its funny to see you all get so worked up about Paris Hilton :lol
Honestly you would think she'd murdered your mothers the way you lot are going on. Get a grip.
At last some sense!
Nemesis Enforcer
13-05-2007, 12:55 PM
Because that punishment fits the crime....
Yes yes it does... the Crime is being Paris Hilton you see :)
Yes yes it does... the Crime is being Paris Hilton you see :)
And she has done what exactly to make you hate her so much....?
(and please dont quote The Simple Life...because the whole thing was scripted....)
Another question why are people such sheep to the sensationalism stirred by tabloids...
Nemesis Enforcer
13-05-2007, 01:23 PM
And she has done what exactly to make you hate her so much....?
(and please dont quote The Simple Life...because the whole thing was scripted....)
Another question why are people such sheep to the sensationalism stirred by tabloids...
There is no single reason I hate her I just do, her attitude and no not just on the Simple Life towards people, the smug look she has all the time like she has achived something by being born into billions, the way she uses animals as fashion accessories, The way she moans about fame when she thrust herself into it and laps it up when its positive, the way she is a spoiled brat who thinks everyone in the world is in love with her
It all adds up to my complete dislike of her there is just some people in the world that you take a dislike to and she is the top of my list!
There is no single reason I hate her I just do, her attitude and no not just on the Simple Life towards people, the smug look she has all the time like she has achived something by being born into billions, the way she uses animals as fashion accessories, The way she moans about fame when she thrust herself into it and laps it up when its positive, the way she is a spoiled brat who thinks everyone in the world is in love with her
It all adds up to my complete dislike of her there is just some people in the world that you take a dislike to and she is the top of my list!
Suppose its easy to make that perception from being hand fed by the media...
Nemesis Enforcer
13-05-2007, 01:37 PM
Suppose its easy to make that perception from being hand fed by the media...If I was being hand fed by the media that would be true but I got my info from people who have been around her and they all said in real life she is exactly like how she comes across
Miss T
13-05-2007, 01:58 PM
I forgot how much Paris and her friends hang out in Barnsley ;)
Nemesis Enforcer
13-05-2007, 02:00 PM
I forgot how much Paris and her friends hang out in Barnsley ;)
Yeah its not often... the people I know live in America though so it all works out ;)
I forgot how much Paris and her friends hang out in Barnsley ;)
Hey it's the new LA, I hear :D
Hilton has urged the Hilton die-hards to sign a petition to pardon her 'mistake', which she plans to give to California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.
In her defence she claims she provides beauty and excitement to '(most of) our otherwise mundane lives'.
See I did feel sorry for her until she resorted to such a condescending statement. Why cant she just be an adult and accept her punishment instead of crying, whinging and complaining like a 3 year old baby to Governer Scwarzenegger.
This is what really annoys me, she wont take any responsibility whatsoever for her actions and is resorting to such a pathetic attempt to avoid jail time.
See I did feel sorry for her until she resorted to such a condescending statement. Why cant she just be an adult and accept her punishment instead of crying, whinging and complaining like a 3 year old baby to Governer Scwarzenegger.
This is what really annoys me, she wont take any responsibility whatsoever for her actions and is resorting to such a pathetic attempt to avoid jail time.
That Statement...
In her defence she claims she provides beauty and excitement to '(most of) our otherwise mundane lives'.
From what I read was actually clamied by the person who started the petition, and not Paris herself....
She is backing the fact she made a msitake, and should be pardoned for that, but not the above statement....
But take it with a pinch of salt...I think I read it in Entertainment Weekly!
It's hardly like she's learnt from her mistake though MG when she's snapped driving whilst DQ'd.
The Beltster
13-05-2007, 02:28 PM
Another question why are people such sheep to the sensationalism stirred by tabloids...I agree to a degree, but lately you have been saying how people shouldnt believe this and that etc about alot of various things. You do realise that at times, the madia are right surely?
From all accounts, Paris Hilton is a stuck up bitch who thinks she is better than everybody else. You dont have to be hand fed it by the tabloids to realise this is true, nor do you have to hang around her 24/7 to have a valid opinion. I doubt she is as bad as they say, but I also dont doubt for a split second that she has an enormous ego and looks down on "the little people".
Dont get me wrong, I agree with certain stuff you say on this subject, nobody should believe anything and everything they read and buy into it, but there isnt always smoke without fire and I think by saying "You shouldnt believe what the media say!" you go way too far one way to the point where you discredit anything and everything thats ever been printed.
It's hardly like she's learnt from her mistake though MG when she's snapped driving whilst DQ'd.
She actually wasnt disqualified
http://showbiz.sky.com/showbiz/article/0,,50001-1265012,00.html
I agree to a degree, but lately you have been saying how people shouldnt believe this and that etc about alot of various things. You do realise that at times, the madia are right surely?
From all accounts, Paris Hilton is a stuck up bitch who thinks she is better than everybody else. You dont have to be hand fed it by the tabloids to realise this is true, nor do you have to hang around her 24/7 to have a valid opinion. I doubt she is as bad as they say, but I also dont doubt for a split second that she has an enormous ego and looks down on "the little people".
Dont get me wrong, I agree with certain stuff you say on this subject, nobody should believe anything and everything they read and buy into it, but there isnt always smoke without fire and I think by saying "You shouldnt believe what the media say!" you go way too far one way to the point where you discredit anything and everything thats ever been printed.
Belty, I am in full agreement with you, There are times when the papers are correct, and of course there is no smoke with out fire and I agree this being the same with Paris Hilton
If were talking in regards to dirtsheets, thats a whole different matter!
Just having worked in the media, I am far too much of a media cynic to put trust in anything said...Because a large percentage of the time, most stories are a fabrication of the truth, just to sell papers...
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/arts_entertainment/danielle+lloyd+wins+sex+claim+case/496492
My main grievance is people that buy into everything they read and form an obscured opinion on what they read as the 'truth'.
Where Paris Hilton was born into money and this has helped and sculpted her, she is not as stupid as led to believe.
I have read on numerous posts that she is lazy and lives off her parents wealth. Not true. She has her own clothing range, perfume, she has copyrighted many of her sayings, Modelling, Television, Pop Career (?!?!) and has made a large amount of her fortune herself. Of course her parents money helped, but she has worked ion this, and to be honest, would you not take advantage of the money if you had the chance, I know I would.....
I wont defend her, she has made some silly decisions, But I doubt no where near as much reported by the papers and I ask in the context of making rash decisions is she really any different to other celebrities in Hollywood, who have allegedly got off with much worse...OJ Simpson anyone?
She actually wasnt disqualified
http://showbiz.sky.com/showbiz/article/0,,50001-1265012,00.html
OK I guess I'll shut up now :P
*Abruptly exits this thread*
I agree to a degree, but lately you have been saying how people shouldnt believe this and that etc about alot of various things. You do realise that at times, the madia are right surely?
From all accounts, Paris Hilton is a stuck up bitch who thinks she is better than everybody else. You dont have to be hand fed it by the tabloids to realise this is true, nor do you have to hang around her 24/7 to have a valid opinion. I doubt she is as bad as they say, but I also dont doubt for a split second that she has an enormous ego and looks down on "the little people".
Dont get me wrong, I agree with certain stuff you say on this subject, nobody should believe anything and everything they read and buy into it, but there isnt always smoke without fire and I think by saying "You shouldnt believe what the media say!" you go way too far one way to the point where you discredit anything and everything thats ever been printed.I agree with everything you've said in that post Beltey. Just a pity that when it was your friend (Warrior) that was being discussed, the second bolded part was forgotten.;)
She actually wasnt disqualified
Where Paris Hilton was born into money and this has helped and sculpted her, she is not as stupid as led to believe.
I have read on numerous posts that she is lazy and lives off her parents wealth. Not true. She has her own clothing range, perfume, she has copyrighted many of her sayings, Modelling, Television, Pop Career (?!?!) and has made a large amount of her fortune herself. Of course her parents money helped, but she has worked ion this, and to be honest, would you not take advantage of the money if you had the chance, I know I would.....
Not to be picky but the only reason she has all this stuff or career if you want, is cause she was born into money. If she wasn't, she'd just be another bimbo in LA attempting to sleep her way into a decent life. Thus I don't really buy into the whole idea that she has worked for her fortune. She's famous cause of her family, and she's attractive (to an extent) thus they just shoved ideas and stuff at her. Its not like she used her acute business mind to go into all these fields like an enterpeneur. I mean if someone walked up to me on the street and said "come present this TV show that gets 100 million viewers already" its not really working for it?
And from what I've read about her, she sounds dumber than I first thought.
Not to be picky but the only reason she has all this stuff or career if you want, is cause she was born into money
If she wasn't, she'd just be another bimbo in LA attempting to sleep her way into a decent life.
Hence..
Of course her parents money helped, and to be honest, would you not take advantage of the money if you had the chance, I know I would.....
With regards to....
Thus I don't really buy into the whole idea that she has worked for her fortune. She's famous cause of her family, and she's attractive (to an extent) thus they just shoved ideas and stuff at her.
I do not disagree she is famous, because of her family, but I think her notoreity came from a certain videotape, which if you believe inside information, she actually took a cut from....
But in all fairness, if you had ideas shoved at you, like The Simple Life...would you turn it down? I cant really see that this can be viewed as a negative, No matter what her background she took advantage of business oppurtunities presented to her, and made money from it
Its not like she used her acute business mind to go into all these fields like an enterpeneur. I mean if someone walked up to me on the street and said "come present this TV show that gets 100 million viewers already" its not really working for it?
My point was, that when she had to model, she still had to be present, when she was part of The Simple Life, she still had to be present, when she had to do promotional work for her album (!?!) she still attended, where I know this is what she is being paid for, on the other hand you cannot deny she isnt working for the money she is making
Its not like she is not doing anything with her life, but living off her parents money...She is making money on her own.....
The Beltster
13-05-2007, 08:07 PM
I agree with everything you've said in that post Beltey. Just a pity that when it was your friend (Warrior) that was being discussed, the second bolded part was forgotten.;)Ah ah ah, I didnt say you didnt have a valid opinion if you dont know him, I just said that your opinion wasnt as valid as mine due to me actually knowing him. slightly different, but still, I see your point.
Update,
Paris Hilton will serve about half of her 45-day jail sentence and will be separated from the general inmate population, authorities say.
The party-loving hotel heiress will spend about 23 days in a “special needs housing unit” at the Century Regional Detention Centre in Lynwood, Los Angeles County sheriff’s spokesman Steve Whitmore said.
Her sentence was shortened after jail chiefs gave her credit for good behaviour, Whitmore said. Officials considered several factors in calculating the credit, including that she appeared for her latest court date, he said.
Hilton will stay in a unit that contains 12 two-person cells reserved for police officers, public officials, celebrities and other high-profile prisoners, he said.
Like everyone else in the 2,200-inmate facility, Hilton will get at least an hour outside her cell each day to shower, watch television, participate in outdoor recreation or talk on the telephone, he said.
The 26-year-old socialite was sentenced to jail this month for violating the terms of her probation in an alcohol-related reckless driving case. A judge ordered her to report to jail by June 5.
A call to her lawyer, drink-drive offences specialist Richard Hutton, was not immediately returned. Her publicist, Elliot Mintz, declined to comment.
CREDIT~~~EveningEcho.
Mr. Perfect
17-05-2007, 09:56 AM
Her sentence was shortened after jail chiefs gave her credit for good behaviour
After a quick BJ, blaaaaaaatently.
After a quick BJ, blaaaaaaatently.
You know....I think you might be onto something there...:roll
Darkstar
17-05-2007, 11:02 AM
Good behaviour.....wasnt she snapped smoking a joint over the weekend? Or have I misread something?
edit: hang on, she got credit for turning up at court? is that not the point?
Nemesis Enforcer
17-05-2007, 02:47 PM
Yep DS the point of a court date is for you to turn up and hear your sentance etc if you miss court (or atleast a normal person misses court) then a warrent is sent out for your arrest and your sentance increases
Miss T
17-05-2007, 03:29 PM
And Dog the Bounty Hunter will come get you!!!
Nemesis Enforcer
20-05-2007, 09:34 PM
Paris Hilton has dropped an appeal against her 45-day jail term - which has now been halved - according to court documents.
A lawyer for the 26-year-old socialite notified a Los Angeles court that she was abandoning her appeal, said court spokeswoman Katherine Roberts.
Hilton was ordered earlier this month to report to jail by June 5 for breaking the terms of her probation in an alcohol-related reckless driving case.
Hilton initially called the sentence unfair and lawyers representing her filed a notice to appeal against the sentence.
She then switched lawyers and is now represented by drink-drive case specialist Richard Hutton.
On Thursday her sentence was halved after jail chiefs gave her credit for good behaviour.
She will spend about 23 days in a "special needs housing unit" at the Century Regional Detention Centre in Lynwood, Los Angeles.
So she is deffinatly going to do the 23 days but its going to be in a nice, safe, out of the general prision population area
So she is deffinatly going to do the 23 days but its going to be in a nice, safe, out of the general prision population area
Lets face it...it isnt exactly Murder she has commited, and she isnt exactly a threat, so I dont see the problem here...
Plus its not a isolated case...look at Boy George and Naomi Campbell who both did Community Service over jail time..
Nemesis Enforcer
21-05-2007, 12:03 AM
Boy George and Naomi Campbell should have gone to jail too IMO, its not just because she is Paris Hilton that I feel she should go to jail over another Celeb who should get Community Service... I think they should, if they break the law, be treated like any other criminal and any none Celeb person would be put in with regular prisoners, which is where I think Paris should should go because at the end of the day she is a criminal, no matter her wealth or status she broke the law, and it doesn't matter how serious or not it was she should be treated the same as anyone else who does the same thing and they would not get put in a special place
Boy George and Naomi Campbell should have gone to jail too IMO, its not just because she is Paris Hilton that I feel she should go to jail over another Celeb who should get Community Service... I think they should, if they break the law, be treated like any other criminal and any none Celeb person would be put in with regular prisoners, which is where I think Paris should should go because at the end of the day she is a criminal, no matter her wealth or status she broke the law, and it doesn't matter how serious or not it was she should be treated the same as anyone else who does the same thing and they would not get put in a special place
I think where your placed should fit the crime and this just isnt limited to being a celebrity...Both the States as well as the UK has problems with overcrowding in prisions, where people are sent to Prision even if you are and 80 year old woman who has been found not to have paid her council tax...
What is the point in sending her or any other low level offence to Prison, just for the sake of saying they have been sent to Prison, where overcrowding is a massive problem, its not like an 80 year old woman is a threat to Public Safety, nor is Paris Hilton.
Nemesis Enforcer
21-05-2007, 05:47 PM
I think where your placed should fit the crime and this just isnt limited to being a celebrity...Both the States as well as the UK has problems with overcrowding in prisions, where people are sent to Prision even if you are and 80 year old woman who has been found not to have paid her council tax...
What is the point in sending her or any other low level offence to Prison, just for the sake of saying they have been sent to Prison, where overcrowding is a massive problem, its not like an 80 year old woman is a threat to Public Safety, nor is Paris Hilton.
If none celebrities were not sent to jail for offenses like this then I would say the celebs should not go either but thats not the case, as long as 'normal' people are sent to jail rarther then given community service, rightly or wrongly, then people like Paris Hilton should be sent there too as at the end of the day they are a criminal like everyone else convicted of the same offence
Its not a case of saying "oh look we sent her to jail" its making her like everyone else, the law should not discriminate just because of your status, as long as other's are getting put in regular prision cells for this offence then so should Paris Hilton or any other famous person, if they stopped putting regular people in jail for the offence then Paris or anyone else should not go either but that is not the case, so she should be treated the same way as a criminal getting punished like anyone else would with no special treatment
Its not a case of saying "oh look we sent her to jail" its making her like everyone else, the law should not discriminate just because of your status, as long as other's are getting put in regular prision cells for this offence then so should Paris Hilton or any other famous person, if they stopped putting regular people in jail for the offence then Paris or anyone else should not go either but that is not the case, so she should be treated the same way as a criminal getting punished like anyone else would with no special treatment
But isnt it a case of making her case exceptional?
I could guarentee if this was someone else...even another celebrity, they would have not had to serve time, I have a strong feeling there doing this because its 'Paris Hilton'...
Oh and in response to the original point....
If none celebrities were not sent to jail for offenses like this then I would say the celebs should not go either but thats not the case, as long as 'normal' people are sent to jail rarther then given community service, rightly or wrongly, then people like Paris Hilton should be sent there too as at the end of the day they are a criminal like everyone else convicted of the same offence
Plenty of people that I have seen here in the news have been sent to these detention centres for alot more and alot less....So in keeping with your above logic, I see no problem Paris Hilton being sent there...
Nemesis Enforcer
21-05-2007, 06:04 PM
But isnt it a case of making her case exceptional?
I could guarentee if this was someone else...even another celebrity, they would have not had to serve time, I have a strong feeling there doing this because its 'Paris Hilton'...
That may be the case, but the way I see it is it shouldn't need to be an exceptional case because all celebs should be treated like regular folk once they break the law, that isn't the way right now so this in context is exceptional, but in my mind it shouldn't be if you get my drift, as everyone should be treated equally
Oh and in response to the original point....
Plenty of people that I have seen here in the news have been sent to these detention centres for alot more and alot less....So in keeping with your above logic, I see no problem Paris Hilton being sent there...
Not living in America I cannot say where criminals are sent as I don't see the papers etc over there, but I would say that these sorts of places should be kept for people who have very exceptional cases Police Officers who have placed some of the inmates in the jail would be what I would say
Paris Hilton or any other celeb imo should be placed in the regular prision population where the vast majority of offenders are sent to
That may be the case, but the way I see it is it shouldn't need to be an exceptional case because all celebs should be treated like regular folk once they break the law, that isn't the way right now so this in context is exceptional, but in my mind it shouldn't be if you get my drift, as everyone should be treated equally
No I agree....but they very rarely are, look at Micheal Jackson...any other person would have been sent down
It just feels to me that they are using the fact that it is Paris Hilton to get a message across here....
Not living in America I cannot say where criminals are sent as I don't see the papers etc over there, but I would say that these sorts of places should be kept for people who have very exceptional cases Police Officers who have placed some of the inmates in the jail would be what I would say
Paris Hilton or any other celeb imo should be placed in the regular prision population where the vast majority of offenders are sent to
I dont understand the bit in bold....But I really dont see the need for overcrowding the prisons, which is a real problem both here in the US and the UK, with low level offenders, who pose little threat to the General Public (which is often Celebrities like Paris Hilton) when they can be placed in detention centres, both allieving the crowding in Prisons, while serving the time for their offences...Instead of sending them to a Prison, just so you can say...they have been sent to prison...
Nemesis Enforcer
21-05-2007, 06:29 PM
I dont understand the bit in bold....But I really dont see the need for overcrowding the prisons, which is a real problem both here in the US and the UK, with low level offenders, who pose little threat to the General Public (which is often Celebrities like Paris Hilton) when they can be placed in detention centres, both allieving the crowding in Prisons, while serving the time for their offences...Instead of sending them to a Prison, just so you can say...they have been sent to prison...
Police Officers or ex Police who have been sent to jail, they are the people that should be put in these units rarther then sent to a regular jail where they would mix with criminals they put there is what I mean.
I see what you mean about low level offenders, but that isn't the culture we live in, unless you are going to do the same with everyone ie give them all community service or send them to this sort of place then it just comes across as She/He is getting preferential treatment because they are famous which causes alot of resentment from the general public, if the judges or whoever did the same to everyone then most people wouldn't care buts its the perception of a 2 teir system that annoys me and alot of others, that if you are famous you get a lighter sentence or placed in a less serious area then a regular person who gets a tougher sentance or placed into an overcrowded jail cell
If everyone was sent to the same place for the same crime then no problem, but thats not the case and while the majority of low level offenders are going to regular jails but Celebs aren't it makes an unfair system which is leaning in favour of those who do things to get themselves in the spotlight
Police Officers or ex Police who have been sent to jail, they are the people that should be put in these units rarther then sent to a regular jail where they would mix with criminals they put there is what I mean.
But then why should the police or ex police be given preferential treatment? If they have commited a crime they should be treated like everyone else...Otherwise they are no better than any celebrity....
I see what you mean about low level offenders, but that isn't the culture we live in, unless you are going to do the same with everyone ie give them all community service or send them to this sort of place then it just comes across as She/He is getting preferential treatment because they are famous which causes alot of resentment from the general public, if the judges or whoever did the same to everyone then most people wouldn't care buts its the perception of a 2 teir system that annoys me and alot of others, that if you are famous you get a lighter sentence or placed in a less serious area then a regular person who gets a tougher sentance or placed into an overcrowded jail cell
Im not talking jsut about celebrities here though, as I mentioned previously, I dont see the point of sending an 80 year old woman who hasnt paid her Council Tax to Prison. Where Prision is a place for offenders to serve punishment for their crime, is it not also a place where criminals are sent because they are a threat to the general public?
Wouldnt it be more sensible, to send low level offenders who are not really a threat to the public like an 80 year old woman who doesnt pay her council tax, or Paris Hilton for that matter to a detention centre rather than an overcrowded prision?
If everyone was sent to the same place for the same crime then no problem, but thats not the case and while the majority of low level offenders are going to regular jails but Celebs aren't it makes an unfair system which is leaning in favour of those who do things to get themselves in the spotlight
Only problem you would have is massive overcrowding, with more prisons being built, and a rise in taxes to fund such prisons, when low level offenders could go through smaller detention centres, thus alleiviating crowding...
Nemesis Enforcer
21-05-2007, 06:55 PM
But then why should the police or ex police be given preferential treatment? If they have commited a crime they should be treated like everyone else...Otherwise they are no better than any celebrity....
They should be seperated because of the risk to them, its not like some Celeb getting plonked in there, put a Police Officer who was responcible for putting however many of the criminals in there and their life is in danger and it is likely to cause a riot which puts everyone else in danger too, this is not the case with someone who is famour for being on a tv show or whatever they do to get famous
Im not talking jsut about celebrities here though, as I mentioned previously, I dont see the point of sending an 80 year old woman who hasnt paid her Council Tax to Prison. Where Prision is a place for offenders to serve punishment for their crime, is it not also a place where criminals are sent because they are a threat to the general public?
I agree, I dispare when I see pensioners getting sent to jail for not paying council tax, there is simply no need for it, but that is the way it is used, I don't agree with it but I don't have a say in who is sent there, and while the system is how it is then unless there is excpetional curcumstances, like I mentioned above, you should be treated like other people commiting the same crime
Wouldnt it be more sensible, to send low level offenders who are not really a threat to the public like an 80 year old woman who doesnt pay her council tax, or Paris Hilton for that matter to a detention centre rather than an overcrowded prision?Yes it would be more sensible, but its not happening that way, you can't say just because you are an 80 year old woman who haven't payed your council tax you can go to this place where as say some 30 year old man who is equally not a threat yet hasn't paid has to go to jail
Only problem you would have is massive overcrowding, with more prisons being built, and a rise in taxes to fund such prisons, when low level offenders could go through smaller detention centres, thus alleiviating crowding...But if every low level criminal was sent to these centers then they would get full just like the jails and you'd be back to putting 1 set of people in jail who are not a danger to the public while another set who are just as none dangerous get to go to detention centers for the same crime
Popsi
21-05-2007, 06:57 PM
Like it or not Paris Hilton is a well known face, and she would be a target in prison. The punishment for her is being in prison, the aim of it isn't to allow her to be bullied and beaten up for being famous. Its the same with anyone who has been in the news and has been sent to prison. They just aren't in general populations are the risks are too high and thats whether they're famous or if the nature of their crimes has made them infamous. I really can't see the problem with that personally, it seems to make sense.
They should be seperated because of the risk to them, its not like some Celeb getting plonked in there, put a Police Officer who was responcible for putting however many of the criminals in there and their life is in danger and it is likely to cause a riot which puts everyone else in danger too, this is not the case with someone who is famour for being on a tv show or whatever they do to get famous
Sorry but that is one rule for one and and other rule for another. There is just as much a risk to a Celebrity or a member of the general public as their is to a Police Officer...
Plus LAPD is one of the most corrupt forces in the world.....
I agree, I dispare when I see pensioners getting sent to jail for not paying council tax, there is simply no need for it, but that is the way it is used, I don't agree with it but I don't have a say in who is sent there, and while the system is how it is then unless there is excpetional curcumstances, like I mentioned above, you should be treated like other people commiting the same crime
Yes it would be more sensible, but its not happening that way, you can't say just because you are an 80 year old woman who haven't payed your council tax you can go to this place where as say some 30 year old man who is equally not a threat yet hasn't paid has to go to jail
Im not talking about the age, I am talking about the offence...Its doesnt matter whether you are 80 or 30, the fact that not paying your council tax is a low level crime, which IMO doesnt deserve to be placed in Prison for, when there are such detention centres for low level offenders...
But if every low level criminal was sent to these centers then they would get full just like the jails and you'd be back to putting 1 set of people in jail who are not a danger to the public while another set who are just as none dangerous get to go to detention centers for the same crime
I really dont get your logic....
The reason that Prisons are overcrowded, is that too many people are being sent to them for lesser crimes, while such dentention centres are used to house Asylum seekers, because 90% of the time they are empty....
Obviously your not going to be sent to a detention centre for Manslaughter or GBH....but is there much point filling the prisons with people who are a non threat...
Nemesis Enforcer
21-05-2007, 07:32 PM
Sorry but that is one rule for one and and other rule for another. There is just as much a risk to a Celebrity or a member of the general public as their is to a Police Officer...
Plus LAPD is one of the most corrupt forces in the world.....So you think that a member of the public who the others prisoners don't know from Adam, or a Celeb form a tv show that people watch is in just as much danger as a Police Officer who arrested and sent the prisoner to the jail for how ever many years? because i'm sorry but that is just crazy
The Officer would be the target of every single person he or she arrested and got convicted, plus all the other prisoners too as they represent the people who sent them to jail too, so for the safety of everyone they should be sperated
Im not talking about the age, I am talking about the offence...Its doesnt matter whether you are 80 or 30, the fact that not paying your council tax is a low level crime, which IMO doesnt deserve to be placed in Prison for, when there are such detention centres for low level offenders...I don't think they should be sent to anywhere, just dock the money from their benefits, pension or wage until it is payed back, but that doesnt happen and as I said if one person is sent to jail for the crime everyone should be treated by that precident
I really dont get your logic....
The reason that Prisons are overcrowded, is that too many people are being sent to them for lesser crimes, while such dentention centres are used to house Asylum seekers, because 90% of the time they are empty....
Obviously your not going to be sent to a detention centre for Manslaughter or GBH....but is there much point filling the prisons with people who are a non threat...No there isn't and I have said as much, but while it is happening, which it is, You can't say that one person is less deserving of a crowded jail cell as another unless there is exceptional circumstances, I don't see being a Celeb being one, if you send a young man or woman to a jail then an older man or woman should be sent for the same crime, its all about continuance of standards
So in my mind, ALL Police Officers should be sperated from the general prision population, ALL mentally ill offenders should be sperated and ALL other offenders of the same crime should be treated the same regardless of if thier social status whether they are homeless or an A list Celeb
Popsi
21-05-2007, 07:39 PM
So you think that a member of the public who the others prisoners don't know from Adam, or a Celeb form a tv show that people watch is in just as much danger as a Police Officer who arrested and sent the prisoner to the jail for how ever many years? because i'm sorry but that is just crazy
They are probably in just as much danger as a police officer if in General Population simply because someone will always have a point to prove or will want to try to make a name for themself. Trust me I work in the prison service.
So you think that a member of the public who the others prisoners don't know from Adam, or a Celeb form a tv show that people watch is in just as much danger as a Police Officer who arrested and sent the prisoner to the jail for how ever many years? because i'm sorry but that is just crazy
The Officer would be the target of every single person he or she arrested and got convicted, plus all the other prisoners too as they represent the people who sent them to jail too, so for the safety of everyone they should be sperated
Hell I am going to join the Police Force...I will be able to commit any crime, and be put in a detention centre...
Your just being hypocritical....Police Officers should be treated like anyone else....
I don't think they should be sent to anywhere, just dock the money from their benefits, pension or wage until it is payed back, but that doesnt happen and as I said if one person is sent to jail for the crime everyone should be treated by that precident
I was being hypothetical....
So the moral of the story is become a Police Officer..!!!!
Nemesis Enforcer
21-05-2007, 07:54 PM
They are probably in just as much danger as a police officer if in General Population simply because someone will always have a point to prove or will want to try to make a name for themself. Trust me I work in the prison service.
Well to me, and I don't work in a prison so this is just personal opinion, a Police Officer is in more danger from a wider number of people simple becuase they put the prisoners there for say 10, 15 or 20 years whatever it is, their presance in the jail would cause alot more problems then a celeb who may get bullied a bit for their name
Hell I am going to join the Police Force...I will be able to commit any crime, and be put in a detention centre...
Your just being hypocritical....Police Officers should be treated like anyone else....No you would get put in a special Jail or wing of a Jail for your protection and that of those around you as your presance would cause alot of unrest in the Jail
I am not being Hypocritical at all because that is what happens now, known police officers get seperated because they have exceptional cases which is right IMO, just as IMO Celebs on deserve nothing special as it was not their job to take peoples freedom from them for commiting crimes thus making them massive targets of revenge in the Jail and putting others at much greater risk
Popsi
21-05-2007, 08:02 PM
Well to me, and I don't work in a prison so this is just personal opinion, a Police Officer is in more danger from a wider number of people simple becuase they put the prisoners there for say 10, 15 or 20 years whatever it is, their presance in the jail would cause alot more problems then a celeb who may get bullied a bit for their name
No you would get put in a special Jail or wing of a Jail for your protection and that of those around you as your presance would cause alot of unrest in the Jail
I am not being Hypocritical at all because that is what happens now, known police officers get seperated because they have exceptional cases which is right IMO, just as IMO Celebs on deserve nothing special as it was not their job to take peoples freedom from them for commiting crimes thus making them massive targets of revenge in the Jail and putting others at much greater risk
Ultimately the prisons role is to ensure that the prisoners are safe at all times, and that includes being safe from bullies. Why do you think a police officef would cause more trouble than a celebrity? I would personally say it would be the other way around, based on my experience. People will target celebrities more BECAUSE they're well known and it'll get them valuable wing crediblity.
What normally happens is that anyone classed as a vulnerable prisoner is placed on a VP unit or in a VP prison which is the type i work in. Thats whether they've been police officers, prison officers, judges, sex offenders, have elderly or disabled victims or celebrities or simply because they just wouldn't cope in general population.
You may disagree but regardless of who they are prison staff have a job to keep every prisoner safe. If their status means that needs to be in a VP prison then so be it. Ultimately nobody wants a prisoner to be bullied, beaten up or killed regardless of who they are. Belive me I'm telling you this is how the system works based on my working in it.
Nemesis Enforcer
21-05-2007, 08:16 PM
I would say a Police Officer is more in danger Popsi because they are directly or atleast they reprisent the people who put the prisoners in the jail and took away their freedom for however many years they got, this would be more a problem in America because their jails are alot more restrictive to stay in then our's here in the UK overall
If I were sent to jail and then during my sentace the person responcible was arresting me was put in the same jail I would be dying to take revenge on him/her now I don't know about you or others but I bet alot of people would like to take them out more so then a Celeb who after a while would become just another inmate, where as the Officer would always in my eyes be the one responcible for putting me there
Popsi
21-05-2007, 08:21 PM
I think you're overemphasising the places police officers are imprisoned. Largely they don't stay in their areas because as you saidq uite rightly they would be a target. But to say a celebrity wouldn't be a target is showing a lack of knowledge of the prison system. A police officer could and do go unknown in the prison system for a long time as they're taken away from the area they used to work in. A celebrity however is known by all and is thereofre a target from the word go.
Nemesis Enforcer
21-05-2007, 08:29 PM
I think you're overemphasising the places police officers are imprisoned. Largely they don't stay in their areas because as you saidq uite rightly they would be a target. But to say a celebrity wouldn't be a target is showing a lack of knowledge of the prison system. A police officer could and do go unknown in the prison system for a long time as they're taken away from the area they used to work in. A celebrity however is known by all and is thereofre a target from the word go.
I think a Celeb would get more attention then a regular prisoner off the street sure but I think the threat to them is way overhyped, as I have said before I don't work in prision and don't know anyone who does, yes they would get unwanted attention but I really doubt it would go much further then that, not the the point where they would get beated up/attacked just becuase they are famous
Famous people have been to jail before and mixed with the general population and come out fine, I think that they are treated too much with kid gloves when IMO they are in danger of getting a hard time but are reasobably safe, or atleast more so then some other members of the prision population
Popsi
21-05-2007, 08:35 PM
See I don't understand this, you've got someone who works in the system telling you how it works and you still think you know better! Honestly I'm not lying to you, everything i've said about *** prison service is true, and regardless of what you believe its how it works.
Famous people have been in prisons before, I grant you that but they are not in general population, unless its in an open prison which is different. You may not like it, but they are considered to be more vulnerable than a lot of prisoners are treated as such. I'm not gonna keep argueing with you on this as we're going round in circles now and theres only so much i can tell you when you apparantly won't accept that this is how the system works.
Nemesis Enforcer
21-05-2007, 08:41 PM
I don't think I know better Popsi, but what I say is my opinion
To me, and the system disagree's I know that, they dont deserve more protection because the risk to them is not proven to be that great, its all perception, they are precived to be more at risk which is the official line, and maybe it rightly is, where as I personally think that it isnt the case
I am not trying to say you are lying or you are wrong, I am just saying what I believe and what I would do if I were the one running the prisons is all
Miss T
21-05-2007, 10:04 PM
Oh my god!!! I couldnt even read that, get a room you three :lol
I don't think I know better Popsi, but what I say is my opinion
To me, and the system disagree's I know that, they dont deserve more protection because the risk to them is not proven to be that great, its all perception, they are precived to be more at risk which is the official line, and maybe it rightly is, where as I personally think that it isnt the case
I am not trying to say you are lying or you are wrong, I am just saying what I believe and what I would do if I were the one running the prisons is all
But then it is your opinion, on a subject you have no background in, like Popsi has....Surely you can see this and take her points as having far more factual weight behind them, compared to your opinion....
There are times to say fair enough, and realise that some know more on a subject than you do...you may have an opinion, but whether it is credible in the face of suck knowledge is another matter
Nemesis Enforcer
21-05-2007, 10:39 PM
But then it is your opinion, on a subject you have no background in, like Popsi has....Surely you can see this and take her points as having far more factual weight behind them, compared to your opinion....
There are times to say fair enough, and realise that some know more on a subject than you do...you may have an opinion, but whether it is credible in the face of suck knowledge is another matter
Yes Popsi has more of a valid point on the actual running then I do because she works in the system where as I am on the outside looking in, I have never said otherwise but we are not talking about who has better knowlage of the subject
I am merely giving my opinion of how I think the system should be run, or how it would be if I were the one making the system I dont need to work in it to think it is run wrongly, I will freely and happily say I am not an expert and I have no experiance in the subject of what actually goes on or the official reasonings behind it and others have more indepth knowlage of its workings, I have no problem with that saying that at all
I thought of something tonight in reference to
So in my mind, ALL Police Officers should be sperated from the general prision population
If you are a Police Officer that has been convicted by a Judge and a Jury of a crime, surely you have violated your duty as a Police Officer, thus invoking the question where does the boundary of Police Officer end and Criminal begin?
If you are a Police Officer that has been convicted by a Court Of Law....surely you should be treated like any other inmate, no matter of your role in society, and if in a Prison that makes you a target, this should have been considered when perpetating the crime....
In regards to police officers-it may be harsh but i'll stick with the "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime" line. I'm sorry, but why should anybody be seperated from others-they've committed a crime and should serve their time just as anybody else. And in regards to not hearing about famous people having trouble in prison-I think we need to look at Pete Doherty for that one...They seem to endlessly get away with cautions-we don't hear about it because they rarely end up in prison!!!
Nemesis Enforcer
22-05-2007, 02:18 PM
If you are a Police Officer that has been convicted by a Judge and a Jury of a crime, surely you have violated your duty as a Police Officer, thus invoking the question where does the boundary of Police Officer end and Criminal begin?
If you are a Police Officer that has been convicted by a Court Of Law....surely you should be treated like any other inmate, no matter of your role in society, and if in a Prison that makes you a target, this should have been considered when perpetating the crime....
My point of view is also the safety of others around the now criminal ex police officer, there would be plently of people wanting to take them out, esspecially in American Jails, maybe not so much here in the UK, but having relatives who have spent alot of time in the US they have told me about justice there being alot different then here.
If there was a group of ex police in one jail mixing with the people they put in the jail then to me that is an unnessacery risk of a riot, with the ex cops banding together to defend themselves against the people they put in jail, and if it did spark a riot that would put the Prision Officers in danger too as they have to try and regain control of the prision
To me its a management of risk to everyone in the jail and an ex police officers or a bunch of them is an destablising influnance on the running of the Jail IMO
My point of view is also the safety of others around the now criminal ex police officer, there would be plently of people wanting to take them out, esspecially in American Jails, maybe not so much here in the UK, but having relatives who have spent alot of time in the US they have told me about justice there being alot different then here.
If there was a group of ex police in one jail mixing with the people they put in the jail then to me that is an unnessacery risk of a riot, with the ex cops banding together to defend themselves against the people they put in jail, and if it did spark a riot that would put the Prision Officers in danger too as they have to try and regain control of the prision
To me its a management of risk to everyone in the jail and an ex police officers or a bunch of them is an destablising influnance on the running of the Jail IMO
Should it matter?
They have commited a crime like everyone else in the Prison...what distinguishes them from anyone else...Once you have broken the law, you are a Criminal first, an ex Police Officer second...
Plus as Popsi has highlighted, I very much doubt there being a group of Police Officers placed in one Prison, or that an Officer would be put in a Prison close to where his patrol used to be....
Nemesis Enforcer
22-05-2007, 02:35 PM
Should it matter?
They have commited a crime like everyone else in the Prison...what distinguishes them from anyone else...Once you have broken the law, you are a Criminal first, an ex Police Officer second...
Plus as Popsi has highlighted, I very much doubt there being a group of Police Officers placed in one Prison, or that an Officer would be put in a Prison close to where his patrol used to be....
If it endagers more then just the Ex Police ie the Prision Guards, then to me yes it does make a difference, I wouldn't put mentally ill prisoners in with the general population either, because they need supervision and medication and its not safe for ANYONE them being in with regular prisonars
I personally think its not safe for anyone ex Police or ex Judges etc being placed in with regular prisoners either, esspecially in a US jail with lifers lets say who have nothing left to loose by get revenge on the guy/woman who put them there at all costs
All it would take is for a name to be leaked that Mr Plod is an ex cop and he put away so many of your gang or family or even shot dead someone you knew/loved to cause a riot
Darkstar
22-05-2007, 03:56 PM
All it would take is for a name to be leaked that Mr Plod is an ex cop and he put away so many of your gang or family or even shot dead someone you knew/loved to cause a riot
Well he should change his name for a start! What a give away.
I personally think its not safe for anyone ex Police or ex Judges etc being placed in with regular prisoners either, esspecially in a US jail with lifers lets say who have nothing left to loose by get revenge on the guy/woman who put them there at all costs
All it would take is for a name to be leaked that Mr Plod is an ex cop and he put away so many of your gang or family or even shot dead someone you knew/loved to cause a riot
Maybe in 24 or Prison Break...But I am sure the reality is quite different....
They have commited a crime and have been sent down by a judge and a jury....If they were so worried about their personal safety, they shouldnt have commited the crime in the first place, If anything should happen to them, they only have themselves to blame, as they are no better than the people they share a cell with...
Nemesis Enforcer
22-05-2007, 05:22 PM
Maybe in 24 or Prison Break...But I am sure the reality is quite different....
They have commited a crime and have been sent down by a judge and a jury....If they were so worried about their personal safety, they shouldnt have commited the crime in the first place, If anything should happen to them, they only have themselves to blame, as they are no better than the people they share a cell with...
As I said if it was just going to be them that got it then I have no problem with them getting put in the general prision population, but them being there puts others at risk too, namely the guards who have to keep the order if their former profession got leaked out to the friends or family of people that they got put in jail
I have never said they ar better then the other criminals, but they have exceptional circumstances, when I say I think they should be in a sperate area I don't mean they should get treated nicer tyhen regular inmates while there, they should get the same treatment from the guards, the same food, the same routine as the ones in regular cells but for the harmoney and order of the jail its safer to have them sperated
As I said if it was just going to be them that got it then I have no problem with them getting put in the general prision population, but them being there puts others at risk too, namely the guards who have to keep the order if their former profession got leaked out to the friends or family of people that they got put in jail
I have never said they ar better then the other criminals, but they have exceptional circumstances, when I say I think they should be in a sperate area I don't mean they should get treated nicer tyhen regular inmates while there, they should get the same treatment from the guards, the same food, the same routine as the ones in regular cells but for the harmoney and order of the jail its safer to have them sperated
There is no exceptional circumstances!! they have been convicted of a crime like everyone else....They are no longer Police Officers, they are criminals, they have been found guilty, and should be placed with everyone else....
Its sheer hypocrisy to suggest that they deserve to be placed in seperation...
Plus I am sure that the guards can cope, it is what they are trained for....and I am sure they deal with such challenging situations in Prisons on a daily basis
Nemesis Enforcer
22-05-2007, 05:35 PM
There is no exceptional circumstances!! they have been convicted of a crime like everyone else....They are no longer Police Officers, they are criminals, they have been found guilty, and should be placed with everyone else....
Its sheer hypocrisy to suggest that they deserve to be placed in seperation...
Plus I am sure that the guards can cope, it is what they are trained for....and I am sure they deal with such challenging situations in Prisons on a daily basis
So then why are you so adimant that low level offenders should not be placed in jail then and should be seperated, they commited a crime they should not get seperated by your logic or are you being a hypocrit too?!
So then why are you so adimant that low level offenders should not be placed in jail then and should be seperated, they commited a crime they should not get seperated by your logic or are you being a hypocrit too?!
No there is a difference....
I feel that low level offenders should be sent to Detention Centres, to ease the overcrowding in Prisons, That the nature of detention should fit the crime, I see no need for a low threat offender who hasnt paid their council tax for example to be placed in a Cell with someone who has commited GBH or Assault
You on the other hand want someone to be seperated no matter what their crime, based on the fact, of their former position in society, to protect their own safety, when they have commited a crime like anyone else
Where I do not deny that low level offenders are criminals and should complete there time in such detention centres with others who are a too a low threat, In suggesting someone should be seperated because of their former profession no matter what the crime, then there is a difference.....
Nemesis Enforcer
22-05-2007, 05:58 PM
No there is a difference....
I feel that low level offenders should be sent to Detention Centres, to ease the overcrowding in Prisons, That the nature of detention should fit the crime, I see no need for a low threat offender who hasnt paid their council tax for example to be placed in a Cell with someone who has commited GBH or Assault
You on the other hand want someone to be seperated no matter what their crime, based on the fact, of their former position in society, to protect their own safety, when they have commited a crime like anyone else
Where I do not deny that low level offenders are criminals and should complete there time in such detention centres with others who are a too a low threat, In suggesting someone should be seperated because of their former profession no matter what the crime, then there is a difference.....
And I think the former Police Officers, Judges, Prison Guards should be seperated for everyone's safety not just their own, I have said numerous times if it was just them that was going to get hurt I have no problem with it, but putting them in the general population is putting a greater risk to everyone IMO simply because they need protecting far more then anyone else in the jail and their presance upsets the harmony of how things are run,
Guards have it tough now with how it is keeping people in check so the last thing they need is someone comming in who will cause alot more problems for them, it IMO is more sensible to keep someone who is highly likely to cause alot of unrest out of the situation so the problem doesn't arise in the first place
Popsi
22-05-2007, 06:02 PM
I know its pedantic but they're Officers not Guards.... I didn't actually find that out till I started working in a prison though!
Nemesis Enforcer
22-05-2007, 06:06 PM
I know its pedantic but they're Officers not Guards.... I didn't actually find that out till I started working in a prison though!
I will call them Officers from now on then Popsi its just here in Barnsley we always call them guards not officers :)
Popsi
22-05-2007, 06:08 PM
Yeah I hear it all the time, particularly in the newspapers. The worse one is Warders, its like something from the Victorian times! It really winds up the Officers in my place though when i first started i kept having to catch myself before i offended someone!
Nemesis Enforcer
22-05-2007, 06:15 PM
Yeah I hear it all the time, particularly in the newspapers. The worse one is Warders, its like something from the Victorian times! It really winds up the Officers in my place though when i first started i kept having to catch myself before i offended someone!
Well sorry if you took offence to me saying Guards, I will make sure from now on I call them Officers so it doesn't offend anyone :)
Popsi
22-05-2007, 06:21 PM
No I didn't take offence at all, its just something i've noticed a lot of people do. I know how hard being an Officer is and just like to make sure they get their proper title!
Darkstar
22-05-2007, 06:22 PM
Pah, call them screws and have done with it. ;)
Popsi
22-05-2007, 06:23 PM
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! :D
And I think the former Police Officers, Judges, Prison Guards should be seperated for everyone's safety not just their own, I have said numerous times if it was just them that was going to get hurt I have no problem with it, but putting them in the general population is putting a greater risk to everyone IMO simply because they need protecting far more then anyone else in the jail and their presance upsets the harmony of how things are run,
Guards have it tough now with how it is keeping people in check so the last thing they need is someone comming in who will cause alot more problems for them, it IMO is more sensible to keep someone who is highly likely to cause alot of unrest out of the situation so the problem doesn't arise in the first place
But arent Prision Officers (*note Popsi) trained to deal with such occurences....?
Nemesis Enforcer
22-05-2007, 06:34 PM
But arent Prision Officers (*note Popsi) trained to deal with such occurences....?
I would think so, but as the annoying guy in the Roof Guard ad says... prevention is cheaper then the cure
I would think so, but as the annoying guy in the Roof Guard ad says... prevention is cheaper then the cure
So Prison Officers arent trained to deal with disturbances?...I would disagree...!
As for prevention over cure....
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=5310390
http://www.silive.com/newsflash/metro/index.ssf?/base/news-25/1178910857224550.xml&storylist=simetro
Both went to Prison....
Popsi
22-05-2007, 06:55 PM
They are fully trained in whats called C&R (control and restraint) so that they can deal with any prisoner whose kicking off. I on the other hand am not trained in anything like that so if i'm alone with one interviewing him or whatever all I can do is press the alarm bell or blow my whistle!!
Nemesis Enforcer
22-05-2007, 07:16 PM
So Prison Officers arent trained to deal with disturbances?...I would disagree...!I agreed they were trained for it and so they should be, But if I were running things I would look to minimize the need for them to use that training by keeping situations that would instigate trouble as low as possible,
As for the links you gave I agree they should be punished, but to me they should not be placed in a regular jail cell for the reason I believe their presance would cause alot of unrest and at some stage probable violance that the Officers would have to defuse at their own risk and monitor closely which would not be the case if they were in a secure seperate wing
They are fully trained in whats called C&R (control and restraint) so that they can deal with any prisoner whose kicking off. I on the other hand am not trained in anything like that so if i'm alone with one interviewing him or whatever all I can do is press the alarm bell or blow my whistle!!C & R training, so much fun...
Popsi
22-05-2007, 07:36 PM
Yeah im only meant to do the breakaway training thank God! Don't hink i'd be fit enough to do C&R. Though thinking about our Officers neither are they...
I agreed they were trained for it and so they should be, But if I were running things I would look to minimize the need for them to use that training by keeping situations that would instigate trouble as low as possible,
As for the links you gave I agree they should be punished, but to me they should not be placed in a regular jail cell for the reason I believe their presance would cause alot of unrest and at some stage probable violance that the Officers would have to defuse at their own risk and monitor closely which would not be the case if they were in a secure seperate wing
So you are giving power to the criminal....commit the crime, but dont worry we will protect your well being....
As Nimf said....commit the crime, do the time....If they were so worried for their own personal safety, they wouldnt have commited the crime, as for the Officers there trained to handle such situations...
Prevention is just giving power to those to commit crimes again and again...
Nemesis Enforcer
22-05-2007, 10:39 PM
So you are giving power to the criminal....commit the crime, but dont worry we will protect your well being....
As Nimf said....commit the crime, do the time....If they were so worried for their own personal safety, they wouldnt have commited the crime, as for the Officers there trained to handle such situations...
Prevention is just giving power to those to commit crimes again and again...
Boxers are trained to cover up but they often get their faces pounded in, wrestlers are trained to do moves and not get hurt but they do, just because the Officers are trained doesn't mean you should put them in extra danger by introducing an element that will likely spark high amounts of violance and trouble
I am not saying the criminals should get it easy, I have said already if you read my posts that they should be treated just as harshley by Prison Officers, have their freedom taken away just as much as someone in a regular cell but not actually placed in the cell next to a 'regular' prisoner just as Mentally disturbed prisoners are seperated for everyones safety and so trouble doesn't kick off
I am not saying send them to a nice cushy place, make it just as tough as a regular jail cell, the food just as bad, the lack of things to do just as bad but don't introduce them into the main population because it will cause trouble for everyone and that trouble is unnessecery
Boxers are trained to cover up but they often get their faces pounded in, wrestlers are trained to do moves and not get hurt but they do, just because the Officers are trained doesn't mean you should put them in extra danger by introducing an element that will likely spark high amounts of violance and trouble
High amounts of Violence and trouble?! this is a Prison not Kindegarten!!
Like Boxers, who take knocks or wrestlers who get hurt, Prison Officers are PAID to deal with such situations. Its a risk associated with the job, by diverting around the situation your Pandering to the criminals not punishing them....
I am not saying the criminals should get it easy, I have said already if you read my posts that they should be treated just as harshley by Prison Officers, have their freedom taken away just as much as someone in a regular cell but not actually placed in the cell next to a 'regular' prisoner just as Mentally disturbed prisoners are seperated for everyones safety and so trouble doesn't kick off
There is a huge difference between a Mentally disturbed Prisoner, and a Corrupt Police Officer...Surely you can see that!?!
I am not saying send them to a nice cushy place, make it just as tough as a regular jail cell, the food just as bad, the lack of things to do just as bad but don't introduce them into the main population because it will cause trouble for everyone and that trouble is unnessecery
Thus setting a precedent for all other corrupt Police Officers that they can commit a crime and be given preferential treatment on where there housed.
Suirely this would more likely set off a riot between fellow inmates, knowing that such preferences were occuring, endangering Prison Staff far more...
This all being hypothetical, because i will reiterate what Popsi said, it is highly unlikely almost impossible that an Police Officer would be placed anywhere near where he was based...
Nemesis Enforcer
23-05-2007, 01:44 AM
High amounts of Violence and trouble?! this is a Prison not Kindegarten!!
Well the prisoners don't sit and talk things over, if they have a problem with someone its mostly (an official govenment stats show this) solved with a confontation and quite of times goes onto violence, which Officers then have to put themselves at risk to break up, adding Police officers or Judges just makes the lieklyhood of attacks thus making more danger for the Prison Officers as they have to break it up
Like Boxers, who take knocks or wrestlers who get hurt, Prison Officers are PAID to deal with such situations. Its a risk associated with the job, by diverting around the situation your Pandering to the criminals not punishing them....Prisons are meant to be a place where your freedom is taken away as a punishment, by taking their freedom away you are punishing them as they are just as much a prisoner as someone in a regular cell, so why give Officers more work and more danger then nessesery, Popsi also said that Vulnerable peple are seperated, if they are in danger, which is hightly likely when your job was to put people in jail, then they have to be protected
There is a huge difference between a Mentally disturbed Prisoner, and a Corrupt Police Officer...Surely you can see that!?!
Who said I was just talking about corrupt cops, I am talking general crime from theft to rape to murder, not just taking back handers or do you think that is all cops do wrong?!
Thus setting a precedent for all other corrupt Police Officers that they can commit a crime and be given preferential treatment on where there housed.
Suirely this would more likely set off a riot between fellow inmates, knowing that such preferences were occuring, endangering Prison Staff far more...
It has happen numerous times already and still does happen now though, that people like ex police and judges have been and are seperated and how many riots has it caused exactly?!? putting them in the general populaion is more a danger then seperating them and that is the current view of the actual Prision's Inspector which he has stated in an offical review of prisons that is done annually
This all being hypothetical, because i will reiterate what Popsi said, it is highly unlikely almost impossible that an Police Officer would be placed anywhere near where he was based...
Yes it is all hypothetical but I am not saying it does happen often am I? I am saying that IMO this is the way it should be
This is going no where.....
Im off to become an LAPD Officer....
Nemesis Enforcer
23-05-2007, 01:59 PM
This is going no where.....
Im off to become an LAPD Officer....
You mean after, what is it 6 pages of arguments? our debate is over..... aww :( :lol
IMO, if a cop commits a crime, then they should not get treatment different to other crims. More to the point, a cop should know the consequences better than most about what will happen if he is convicted of a crime, and using the threat of general population would act as a detterent to such activities.
You mean after, what is it 6 pages of arguments? our debate is over..... aww :( :lol
Its either end it or I'll be on a murder charge....
Plus....You have someone new to argue with....
IMO, if a cop commits a crime, then they should not get treatment different to other crims. More to the point, a cop should know the consequences better than most about what will happen if he is convicted of a crime, and using the threat of general population would act as a detterent to such activities
Go DC!!
Nemesis Enforcer
23-05-2007, 03:27 PM
Its either end it or I'll be on a murder charge....
Plus....You have someone new to argue with....
Go DC!!
I am not sure I have much more of an argument to make that I haven't said already :lol
I guess me and DC could go over every thing that we already said to eachother, would make it alot easier for me to just copy and paste my replys to you rarther then write it all out over again :P
I am not sure I have much more of an argument to make that I haven't said already :lol
I guess me and DC could go over every thing that we already said to eachother, would make it alot easier for me to just copy and paste my replys to you rarther then write it all out over again :PI'm not arguing, as I can see NE's point too. I just feel that if you start giving special treatment to one group, where does it end?
Let's say I'm a security guard at a bank or something, and I foil a robbery, getting the perps (ohh, get me with the lingo) sent down for a twenty year stretch. Then I commit a crime (traffic violation) and get sent down for two months. Shouldn't I expect to be separated from the guys I helped send down, for my own safety? You could take it to the next group again and again.
Private investigators, ex-police, bodyguards, etc. Where do we draw the line? And why do we draw it there?
Nemesis Enforcer
23-05-2007, 05:56 PM
It ends in public exicutions for everyone who commits any sort of crime DC, that would actually solve all this debate :lol
I do see your point of where does it end, if you seperate one then by all rights another group will say well we want the same and so on and so forth until everyone is saying the same thing, like most things its up to those in charge to say where it ends, and everyone has a different opinion on where that line is and why
There is no diffinative answer really, where as some think no-one should be, there are others in the world who go to the other extream and say everyone should (ie. all murders in one place, all muggers in another, all shop lifters in another etc) and then there is all kinds of in-between
Its a question that can never really be fully answered until everyone agrees on one solution which is never going to happen on anything...
Boy I could have saved alot of time by saying that in the begining couldn't I :lol