View Full Version : Should Rafa Be Sacked???
Ok first of all im not being over-dramitical here but after watching the shambles that was last night I have to ask the question.
AS a Liverpool fan I was on the verge of tears last night being beaten 6-3 by the second string Gunners team.
Now don't get me wrong Arsenal were fantastic and played some class football but this is Anfield the so called "fortress".
Now I know people will say he won us The Champions League and the FA cup but did he really.
Gerrard won us the FA cup,hell the DVD of it is called "The Gerrard Final" and if Gerrard wasn't playing in Istanbull we would have not have won it.
If Fergie or Hose got hammered 6-3 and were out of the FA Cup aswell and battling for third or fourth place in the league I think question's would have to be asked.
Now im no fan of Peter Crouch but my god why was he on the bench last night especially after Hypia scored he brings on Jamie Carragher
Ok yes im having a rant but I think something needs to be done sooner rather than later.
Who would you get?
The fans want the premiership? Sacking another good manager isn't going to help.
Houllier for all his faults was a great manager but yet because he couldn't work miracles like some scouse fans seem to want, he was kicked to the curb, took up Lyon and hasnt looked back since.
Wait for the takeover and get some money on the flow in the transfer market.
Who would you get?
The fans want the premiership? Sacking another good manager isn't going to help.
Houllier for all his faults was a great manager but yet because he couldn't work miracles like some scouse fans seem to want, he was kicked to the curb, took up Lyon and hasnt looked back since.
Wait for the takeover and get some money on the flow in the transfer market.
Maybe your right and im just pulling what little hair out of my head.
I don't think the fans are wrong to want the premiership, I just think they sometimes overestimate how good their team actually is.
Take out Gerrard & Alonso and you really worry for them. And even them two have been poor this season.
Although Gerrard hasn't really had any time off in 2-3 years.
Well we do want the Premiership,I suppose like every other fan of their club does.
Alonso has only been a quater the player he was last season,and Gerrard must be a robot the amount of games he's palying.
If you did put them 2 players out the team then I would say we would be
a top 8 team fighting for the UEFA Cup.
Pabster
10-01-2007, 04:27 PM
Nonsense. Next.
Nonsense. Next.
Explain so.
Big Slow
10-01-2007, 04:29 PM
The reason Crouch didn't come on is because Rafa wanted to stick with his plan which meant he needed to bring on a midfielder and carra is better suited than crouch to midfield
The reason Crouch didn't come on is because Rafa wanted to stick with his plan which meant he needed to bring on a midfielder and carra is better suited than crouch to midfield
Yes Rafa's plan really worked.
Why would he put Crouch in midfield anyway,the man is there to score goals.
When Hypia scored it was his chance to maybe get back into it.
OMAR DAYS
10-01-2007, 04:33 PM
Should he No! He's a decent enough manager! If your going to blame anyone blame the players, this for one isn't the best Liverpool in ages!
Big Slow
10-01-2007, 04:34 PM
He wouldnt put Crouch in midfield...thus he didn't come on...
Should he No! He's a decent enough manager! If your going to blame anyone blame the players, this for one isn't the best Liverpool in ages!
Id agree Omar but that's because he bought rubbish except for Dirk who is the only player who stands out this season.
Pabster
10-01-2007, 04:40 PM
People seem to forget that he took us to 3rd place with a total of 82 points, our higest ever points tally, which could have won us the League in some seasons. Believe me, the manager knows what he is doing.
Yes there have been problems this year, with the poor away form and Pennant being the worst signing since Josemi, but he came into the club which was in a mess.
We're still getting stung by Diao's wages, Le Tallec's wages, Cisse's wages plus countless others.
He has won the European Cup on his own merit. A team managed by Gerard Houllier wouldn't have even gone near a Champions League Final because he was so negative and never made the 'right' subsitution. Apart from the FA Cup Final, we never really had any fight under Houllier. Rafa has installed a fighting spirit in the team, and thesedays if we go a goal down, I always believe we can still come back and win. Look at Luton last season for an example.
Rafa has won the Champions League and FA Cup in his first 2 seasons, would any other manager achieved better than that? I don't think so. There isn't anyone better for the job because Rafa is a master and it be long until you think Rafa is the mutts nuts again.
Last night was a freak. Arsenal just have pace all over the team and our defence was patched up last night.
We need to carry on our good form in the league, and see what we can do in the Champions League as we're playing Barcelona, but Rafa has an excellent record against Barca, i'm sure he has a trick up his sleeve.
Yes things have been dodgy a few times this season but we are stronger with Benitez at the helm, and i'm sure if we support him, the 19th League Championship will be heading our way.
We are missing Sissoko and Kewell a lot though. Kewell was fantastic for us on the left last season and gave the team good balance. We need them back.
Expect more wholesale changes in the Summer though. Chin up Rafa, you're the best man for the job.
You have some valid points Pabster id agree.
Kewell broke a figernail and hasn't been heard of since,yes we are getting stung on a few wages matters but so are alot of other clubs.
He might have a good record against Barca but has a shocking record against the top 3 in England
There is only one person who won us the Champions League and the FA Cup and you know who I am on about.
Rafa has always said he works on a five year plan - the duration of his contract. I really don't think winning the Champions League helped him as it raised expectations. I'd still rather watch a Rafa team than a Houllier team.
I still think he's the man for the job, but this might be the rocket up his arse that he needs to prove to him that he's not untouchable...
Rafa has always said he works on a five year plan - the duration of his contract. I really don't think winning the Champions League helped him as it raised expectations. I'd still rather watch a Rafa team than a Houllier team.
I still think he's the man for the job, but this might be the rocket up his arse that he needs to prove to him that he's not untouchable...
I hope your right buddy,Watford could tell alot at the weekend.
He wouldnt put Crouch in midfield...thus he didn't come on...
Why in Gods name would he put Crouch in midfield anyway.
Yes I know there was a couple of injuries but we needed to chase the game not defend it.
Big Slow
10-01-2007, 04:59 PM
Why in Gods name would he put Crouch in midfield anyway.
Yes I know there was a couple of injuries but we needed to chase the game not defend it.
A midfielder was needed in the substition not throw another striker on because that would weaken the midfield which would hand Arsenal the game there and then
To be fair, they still conceded another, so they may as well have played Crouch, as the defence was rubbish before and after Carragher came on.
Big Slow
10-01-2007, 05:04 PM
My point exactly.
If Rafa would have known they would concede another and that the defence would have been rubbish he obviously wouldnt have made the change but it doesn't work like that does it ?
If Rafa would have known they would concede another and that the defence would have been rubbish he obviously wouldnt have made the change but it doesn't work like that does it ?
Well they were after conceding 5 already so why not gamble.
I would say he knew the defense was bad after 5 goals went past them.
I like Rafa. He's funny unintentionally. I'm just waiting for the scouser accent to develop.
I like Rafa. He's funny unintentionally. I'm just waiting for the scouser accent to develop.
:D :D
I like Rafa. He's Magic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH_rLu7lqAo
Move over David Blaine,Rafa will be trying to break out of box with chains hanging from The Kop:D
The Crippler
10-01-2007, 05:48 PM
People seem to forget that he took us to 3rd place with a total of 82 points, our higest ever points tally, which could have won us the League in some seasons. Believe me, the manager knows what he is doing.
Yes there have been problems this year, with the poor away form and Pennant being the worst signing since Josemi, but he came into the club which was in a mess.
We're still getting stung by Diao's wages, Le Tallec's wages, Cisse's wages plus countless others.
He has won the European Cup on his own merit. A team managed by Gerard Houllier wouldn't have even gone near a Champions League Final because he was so negative and never made the 'right' subsitution. Apart from the FA Cup Final, we never really had any fight under Houllier. Rafa has installed a fighting spirit in the team, and thesedays if we go a goal down, I always believe we can still come back and win. Look at Luton last season for an example.
Rafa has won the Champions League and FA Cup in his first 2 seasons, would any other manager achieved better than that? I don't think so. There isn't anyone better for the job because Rafa is a master and it be long until you think Rafa is the mutts nuts again.
Last night was a freak. Arsenal just have pace all over the team and our defence was patched up last night.
We need to carry on our good form in the league, and see what we can do in the Champions League as we're playing Barcelona, but Rafa has an excellent record against Barca, i'm sure he has a trick up his sleeve.
Yes things have been dodgy a few times this season but we are stronger with Benitez at the helm, and i'm sure if we support him, the 19th League Championship will be heading our way.
We are missing Sissoko and Kewell a lot though. Kewell was fantastic for us on the left last season and gave the team good balance. We need them back.
Expect more wholesale changes in the Summer though. Chin up Rafa, you're the best man for the job.
Spot on.
Benitez has done a brilliant job at Anfield. I'm surprised the talk of him being sacked has even reared it's head. I don't think last night was particularly significant for Liverpool. It was a weakened Liverpool side and perhaps only tells you that there is more depth to Arsenal than Liverpool and that Arsenal's future is looking very bright.
It'll be disappointing to go out of the FA Cup and League Cup in a number of days but they were knocked out by Arsenal. They weren't knocked out by some unfancied lower league side. Arsenal are the best team in the country on their day.
From what I've seen this season, Liverpool haven't been playing at the top of their game and yet they're 3rd. Hardly a disaster. Obviously, they'll want to win the league again because it's been so long and a club like Liverpool deserves to be winning league titles but Benitez will get there with that club. I'm quite convinced.
Spot on.
Benitez has done a brilliant job at Anfield. I'm surprised the talk of him being sacked has even reared it's head. I don't think last night was particularly significant for Liverpool. It was a weakened Liverpool side and perhaps only tells you that there is more depth to Arsenal than Liverpool and that Arsenal's future is looking very bright.
It'll be disappointing to go out of the FA Cup and League Cup in a number of days but they were knocked out by Arsenal. They weren't knocked out by some unfancied lower league side. Arsenal are the best team in the country on their day.
From what I've seen this season, Liverpool haven't been playing at the top of their game and yet they're 3rd. Hardly a disaster. Obviously, they'll want to win the league again because it's been so long and a club like Liverpool deserves to be winning league titles but Benitez will get there with that club. I'm quite convinced.
Ok the Carling cup might not be that significant but it's the way they lost is.
IMO if the takeover happens Rafa will not be there in the summer.
Thing is, it is only 1 game.
Thats what people have to remember.
If people who take over want to sack him over 1 game, then Liverpool will be in the "run by idiots club" which Hearts currently reside in.
Thing is, it is only 1 game.
Thats what people have to remember.
If people who take over want to sack him over 1 game, then Liverpool will be in the "run by idiots club" which Hearts currently reside in.
The FA Cup is 2 games.
He bought complete rubbish except for Dirk.
Third in the league miles behind the other 2
Until they improve in the league questions will always be asked about Rafa.
You've had worse managers. In fact I think Rafa is up there with Mourinho at very least, probably better.
If Liverpool stick with Rafa they'll win trophys. But I don't understand his rotation policy, not when the back-up players aren't up to it.
The FA Cup is 2 games.
He bought complete rubbish except for Dirk.
Third in the league miles behins the other 2
Until they improve in the league questions will always be asked about Rafa.
Until they improve in the league?
So Arsenal should sack Wenger too yeah as they are further behind?
He's bought complete rubbish. So has Mourinho generally. Right sack him too.
Third in the league behind 2 of the best teams (when in form) in Europe. Yeah absolutely scandalous.
Your talking rubbish. You can't expect miracles. Considering the resources of Chelsea and form of United, 3rd is the best your gonna get without zillions of pounds, masses of luck, and the other teams faltering.
Doesn't matter if you have Rafa or a robot in charge, it wouldn't change overnight. Jesus, massive overreaction to losing to probably the best counter-attacking team in European football twice.
Until they improve in the league?
So Arsenal should sack Wenger too yeah as they are further behind?
He's bought complete rubbish. So has Mourinho generally. Right sack him too.
Third in the league behind 2 of the best teams (when in form) in Europe. Yeah absolutely scandalous.
Your talking rubbish. You can't expect miracles. Considering the resources of Chelsea and form of United, 3rd is the best your gonna get without zillions of pounds, masses of luck, and the other teams faltering.
Doesn't matter if you have Rafa or a robot in charge, it wouldn't change overnight. Jesus, massive overreaction to losing to probably the best counter-attacking team in European football twice.
Wenger is still in 2 cups with a fantastic second string of players
It was the worst defeat in Anfield in nearly 100 years.
Im not expecting miracles the man is there long enough,you ask any Liverpool fan and the league is the big one.
yes Mourinho has bought bad but he still won 2 league titles on the trot.
If Liverpool are getting hammered by the gunners b-side god only knows what Barca will do to them with their injured players comming back.
Proudy
10-01-2007, 06:20 PM
Third in the league miles behind the other 2
I still think we have a decent chance of catching up, I mean both teams have been dropping points lately and if we can keep the run going in the Premiership then we'll have a great chance of catching them.
And like I said in the other thread, talk of sacking Rafa is idiotic!
Wenger is still in 2 cups with a fantastic second string of players
It was the worst defeat in Anfield in nearly 100 years.
Im not expecting miracles the man is there long enough,you ask any Liverpool fan and the league is the big one.
yes Mourinho has bought bad but he still won 2 league titles on the trot.
If Liverpool are getting hammered by the gunners b-side god only knows what Barca will do to them with their injured players comming back.
You'll probably hammer Barca :lol
You'll probably hammer Barca :lol
You never know but I doubt it
With Garcia out for the reat of the season and Alonso not performing Barca would have to freeze the same way Juve did a couple of years ago.
Wenger is still in 2 cups with a fantastic second string of players
It was the worst defeat in Anfield in nearly 100 years.
Im not expecting miracles the man is there long enough,you ask any Liverpool fan and the league is the big one.
yes Mourinho has bought bad but he still won 2 league titles on the trot.
If Liverpool are getting hammered by the gunners b-side god only knows what Barca will do to them with their injured players comming back.
Mourinho won 2 titles cause even if throws 100 million at crap players, he'll get 100 million to resolve it next transfer window. Your right the league is the big one, but you can't expect him to deliver it instantly, especially with teams as powerful as Man Utd, Chelsea in the way. In your glory days, the competition was never anywear near that fierce.
A Liverpool b-team (mostly) got hammered by an Arsenal b-team. Jeez its not that bad. When Man Utd lost 6-3 to Southampton people didn't say "sack Fergie he's rubbish". You're just overreacting ridiculously. If you get beat by Barca its cause their better than you. Just like they are with Arsenal and Chelsea last season. Honestly what do you expect? You aren't gonna get hammered, cause its a completely different team you'll play.
Plus are his buys really that bad, and out of the team who lost, who did he buy? He bought Bellamy (who recently has looked a lot better), Fowler, Paletta, Alonso, Garcia, Aurelio? Jeez apart from Aurelio and Paletta, they aren't bad players are they?
If your youth team's crap, thats not his fault, and he's not gonna change it. He's bought some darn decent players who've delivered. Crouch, Kuyt, Alonso, Garcia, Agger, Reina.
He's bought a few duff ones, but so does every manager. Franny Jeffers? Eric Djemba-Djemba? Saloman Kalou?
Honestly if their are problems like I've listed, its not his fault is it?
Proudy
10-01-2007, 06:29 PM
I dont fear anyone in Europe.
Good points Jungta it must be said
Id disagree on a couple of points.
Reina is rubbish IMO,Fowler is a legend and I know he scored last night but is past it,Crouch misses way to many.
As for Mourinho,his budget is going to cut back if you believe the media.
Im not saying it's just what he bought,the rotation policy is ridiculos,this whole chopping and changing in every games makes no sense.
Good points Jungta it must be said
Id disagree on a couple of points.
Reina is rubbish IMO,Fowler is a legend and I know he scored last night but is past it,Crouch misses way to many.
As for Mourinho,his budget is going to cut back if you believe the media.
Im not saying it's just what he bought,the rotation policy is ridiculos,this whole chopping and changing in every games makes no sense.
Reina's a decent shot stopper, but not great at crosses, but well the same can be said of David James, and this season Reina's been pretty decent. I think Crouch would score more if he played more. Any striker needs constant games to get into form and constant scoring, look at Defoe for example.
But I do agree he rotates far too much, but still he has got better recently, so I'd just look on the last 2 games as a blip. Every team has one.
Good points Jungta it must be said
Id disagree on a couple of points.
Reina is rubbish IMO,Fowler is a legend and I know he scored last night but is past it,Crouch misses way to many.
As for Mourinho,his budget is going to cut back if you believe the media.
Im not saying it's just what he bought,the rotation policy is ridiculos,this whole chopping and changing in every games makes no sense.
It makes sense, you need players to last; but the players he's bringing in aren't up to it IMO.
Also the strike partnership needs to be kept the same at least for a few games.
It makes sense, you need players to last; but the players he's bringing in aren't up to it IMO.
Also the strike partnership needs to be kept the same at least for a few games.
It has to,beacuse players needs to understand each other.
Proudy
10-01-2007, 06:48 PM
Reina isnt rubbish, hes a decent keeper. Although I would go with the Reina plus cash deal for Villa, then pull Carson back from Charlton.
Reina isnt rubbish, hes a decent keeper. Although I would go with the Reina plus cash deal for Villa, then pull Carson back from Charlton.
Yes so would I in a second.
You couldn't afford Villa even with Reina. Hell even if the takeover goes through I doubt you'll be able to afford him. Valencia have no reason to sell him and his value is at least 20-30 million regardless of his 60 million buyout clause and the fact he's contracted until 2012.
Yeah the pricetag would be massive.
Proudy
10-01-2007, 06:55 PM
Valencia have stated they would take Reina plus about 12 million for Villa.
:lol Aye
Because clubs talk about selling their best player to the media...
Hmmm is this a story in the paper you're referring to?
Proudy
10-01-2007, 07:02 PM
Ok, but they do want Reina.
Firing Rafa because of two losses in cup competitions in the space of 3 days would be the biggest knee jerk reaction I've heard in a very long time.
Liverpool are still 3rd in the league and they topped their group in the Champions League, not to mention this is the same manager that won Liverpool the European Cup only 19 months ago.
OMAR DAYS
10-01-2007, 07:18 PM
And the fans called a god!
Proudy
10-01-2007, 07:19 PM
And the fans called a god!
We called a god :?
Robbie Fowler is God!
Moobs
10-01-2007, 07:21 PM
Of course he shouldn't. A couple of dodgy results and your calling for the manager to be sacked? Sounds a lot like something us Geordies would do, mind.
Liverpool wont get a better manager than Benitez, their fans just need to realise that the club just doesn't have the resources to match Chelsea and United (see recent signings), nor do they have a manager with the ability to spot outstanding yound talent like Arsenal do.
Refuse Matt M
10-01-2007, 08:48 PM
He made a mistake last night, a big mistake, but I don't think he should be got rid of just because of that.
Liverpool have had far far too many average players for many years now and I just think they need to get more quality in.
Liverpool have had far far too many average players for many years now and I just think they need to get more quality in.[/QUOTE]
Yes I agree.
But I don't think Rafa has the same "good eye" as a Wenger or Fergie.
Rafa can bring in the great players on his day - Garcia, Sissoko, Alonso, Kuyt - , but his off days? Josemi, Kromkamp, Antonio Nunez... one rests one's case.
Dudek has now come out and critisied Rafa's rotation policy.
I agree with him 100% but that's him gone in the summer.
OMAR DAYS
12-01-2007, 10:43 AM
Dudek needs to be quiet. I mean he was terrible in the 6-3 beating Liverpool got. He needs to say sorry to his team publicly not moan about not playing!
Well if Rafa played him once every 10 years:D ,he might not be so bad.
Reina's a better keeper, thats why he doesn't play.
Dudek's just bitter cause he's getting older and isn't good enough to play at the level he thinks he is.
He's a decent penalty keeper, but Reina's a better shot stopper, and both are pretty naff at crosses. Thus why he doesn't play. Thats not Rafa's fault for picking a better player?
Can't see his complaint.
I think his point is that he was getting the blame for the 6-3 defeat.
He was making the point that if he played more games then the "rust" wouldn't be there.
Reina's a slightly better keeper maybe but Dudek was dropped like a hot snot after Istanbull,surely the man has a point.
Proudy
12-01-2007, 12:17 PM
Carson is better than both of them, I'd just bring him back.
I think his point is that he was getting the blame for the 6-3 defeat.
He was making the point that if he played more games then the "rust" wouldn't be there.
Reina's a slightly better keeper maybe but Dudek was dropped like a hot snot after Istanbull,surely the man has a point.
Not really, he's not the first player that's lost his position in a team because a better player has been brought in, it happens in football, if he wanted to play first team football he should have left when Reina signed.
Not really, he's not the first player that's lost his position in a team because a better player has been brought in, it happens in football, if he wanted to play first team football he should have left when Reina signed.
Yes good point but the way he sees it is that he's getting all the blame.
How can expect a golie to be on top form when he only plays a handfull at games at best.
Reina was up there with Cech last season as the best in the Premiership.
Not this season he's not.
You've got one of the best home records in the Premiership.
How many goals this season have you conceded due to keeping error? 2 or 3 maybe?
Thats no more than pretty much every club.
It seems to me, like you just don't like him. He's a pretty decent keeper yet you make out like he's the reason your awful this season, despite the fact bar 2 games, you're as high in the table as you'll ever be.
You've got one of the best home records in the Premiership.
How many goals this season have you conceded due to keeping error? 2 or 3 maybe?
Thats no more than pretty much every club.
It seems to me, like you just don't like him. He's a pretty decent keeper yet you make out like he's the reason your awful this season, despite the fact bar 2 games, you're as high in the table as you'll ever be.
He's not a bad kepper no but not a good one either.
He's very suspect at crosses,I think the defenders have no confidence in him.
My point was Dudek can't take all the blame for the defeat.
I liked Reina last year but this year I think there is something lacking in him.
He's not a bad kepper no but not a good one either.
He's very suspect at crosses,I think the defenders have no confidence in him.
My point was Dudek can't take all the blame for the defeat.
I liked Reina last year but this year I think there is something lacking in him.
Again though you haven't any evidence to suggest this. Bar Chelsea you have the best home record in the Prem and away your pretty good. How can the defence have no confidence in him? Its not like your conceding constant goals is it. You got picked off away by Arsenal and Everton and Bolton beat you. He was poor against Everton thats it, the other goals were all poor defending, nothing to do with Reina.
He's suspect at crosses but so is Dudek, and you say Dudek can't take the blame for defeat, yet apparantly recognise that the defence don't trust Reina, for no reason whatsoever?
He is a good keeper, you just don't like him and fabricate facts for why he's so rubbish.
Again though you haven't any evidence to suggest this. Bar Chelsea you have the best home record in the Prem and away your pretty good. How can the defence have no confidence in him? Its not like your conceding constant goals is it. You got picked off away by Arsenal and Everton and Bolton beat you. He was poor against Everton thats it, the other goals were all poor defending, nothing to do with Reina.
He's suspect at crosses but so is Dudek, and you say Dudek can't take the blame for defeat, yet apparantly recognise that the defence don't trust Reina, for no reason whatsoever?
He is a good keeper, you just don't like him and fabricate facts for why he's so rubbish.
I never said he was rubbish,I said Dudek deserves a chance on goal.
Our Away form was shocking for most of the season,my whole point is that Dudek should get a chance more often and when he does get a chance in nearly 2 years you can't expect him to be playing with alot of confidence.
Reinas not great but Dudek is far worse. He's a second keeper, how many games does he expect to get in a season? If he was unable to perform in those two matches when asked maybe he should have gone to the manager beforehand and told him as such, instead of coming out and whinging about it being the reason for his poor display afterwards. Whats his excuse for being crap when he was Liverpools number one keeper?
Reinas not great but Dudek is far worse. He's a second keeper, how many games does he expect to get in a season? If he was unable to perform in those two matches when asked maybe he should have gone to the manager beforehand and told him as such, instead of coming out and whinging about it being the reason for his poor display afterwards. Whats his excuse for being crap when he was Liverpools number one keeper?
He is the first player to come out and openly critisise Rafa's rotation policy.
I admire him for that I mean lets face it a while back it was 99 games with a different squad.
I hate the rotation policy,I just can't understand why a manager does it.
Surely a manager knows his best 11.
Refuse Matt M
13-01-2007, 07:41 PM
Rafa can bring in the great players on his day - Garcia, Sissoko, Alonso, Kuyt - , but his off days? Josemi, Kromkamp, Antonio Nunez... one rests one's case.
Add Traore to that list.
One of the worst players I've ever seen start regularly for a top 10 Premiership club. Liverpool fans should be glad he's gone.
If only Traore was a Rafa signing.
Refuse Matt M
13-01-2007, 10:46 PM
If only Traore was a Rafa signing.
Oh yeah it was Houllier.
I didn't realise Liverpool were buying crap long before Rafa arrived.
Houllier made his name by doing it. :)
Lets all think back to the next Zidane, yes that right Bruno Cheryou!!!!
Houllier made his name by doing it. :)
Lets all think back to the next Zidane, yes that right Bruno Cheryou!!!!
Don't remind me:P
Cheyrou was very talented, just didn't have the mental ability to be a top player. Every now and then, he'd put in a great performance and we'd think "YE-WAH!" but then it was back to the same old crap. Same as Le Tallec.
Wolverine
14-01-2007, 02:43 PM
Now Sinama-Pongolle, he was a good player. Much better than Le Tallec and Cheyrou and Diomede and every other Frenchman that Houiller bought. He's doing really well in Spain for Recreativo at the moment. Hopefully, Rafa will give him a fair chance in the first-team when he returns.
Now Sinama-Pongolle, he was a good player. Much better than Le Tallec and Cheyrou and Diomede and every other Frenchman that Houiller bought. He's doing really well in Spain for Recreativo at the moment. Hopefully, Rafa will give him a fair chance in the first-team when he returns.
There is talk of him not comming back also I think.
Proudy
14-01-2007, 03:48 PM
Pong is ace, I hope we can keep him.
Id like to keep him aswell.
Plenty of pace but I think he'll stay where he is.
There is a strong rumour that Raul could be comming to Liverpool.
Now as much as I admire him as a player I really hope he doesn't come.
With the impending takeover the Shiek might want "star players".
If only Traore was a Rafa signing.
Yeah but then that would take away from the fact he got that useless piece of **** a Champion's league winners medal.:lol
Yeah but then that would take away from the fact he got that useless piece of **** a Champion's league winners medal.:lol
Kewell has one,oh wait he's a useless piece of **** aswell:P
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There is a strong rumour that Raul could be comming to Liverpool.
Now as much as I admire him as a player I really hope he doesn't come.
With the impending takeover the Shiek might want "star players".
Credit: KJBS Sport
Michael Jackson set to sign for Liverpool
Michael Jackson is set to sign for Liverpool, in a statement released earlier the star was quoted to have said that the idea of getting spanked at home by 11 kids is too good to turn down
We could do with his quick feet:P
Well it looks like Mascherano could be on his way to Liverpool.
To be honest im not sure about this one.
Wolverine
20-01-2007, 02:41 PM
Rafa out.
Might do at the end of the season if they don't win a trophy,who knows.
Proudy
20-01-2007, 09:14 PM
Rafa still out after todays result? I think not.
All the calls for Rafa to be sacked after the 3-1 and 6-3 domestic cup defeats by Arsenal look to be pretty stupid after today's result.
Why, they only won one match, still gonna win sod all this season. :lol
Yeah but they made the Champions look pretty ordinary today, and it gives them hope for the Barcelona games in the next few weeks, and for their challenge to finish in 2nd place in the Premiership to get that all important automatic Champions League berth. :xyx
Might do at the end of the season if they don't win a trophy,who knows.
Because Liverpool are a club that always make rash descions. :roll
Liverpools only realistic chance of wning anything this season is The Champions League. So if Rafa don't win that he'sa goner?
When they scraped into the last 16 of the Champions League and were knocked out of the cup by Burnley a few years back they had a chance to get rid. But they knew that they had a talent so they kept him.
3 months later was Istanbul.
Yeah but they made the Champions look pretty ordinary today, and it gives them hope for the Barcelona games in the next few weeks, and for their challenge to finish in 2nd place in the Premiership to get that all important automatic Champions League berth.
I think it was more a case of Chelsea making Chelsea look pretty ordinary today, but fair play to Liverpool they killed them off fairly early on.
I've actully always fancied Liverpool to beat Barcelona. Think a English side or Inter will be lifting the trophy in Athens come May too.
Proudy
21-01-2007, 03:38 PM
I dont fear Barca.
Because Liverpool are a club that always make rash descions. :roll
Liverpools only realistic chance of wning anything this season is The Champions League. So if Rafa don't win that he'sa goner?
When they scraped into the last 16 of the Champions League and were knocked out of the cup by Burnley a few years back they had a chance to get rid. But they knew that they had a talent so they kept him.
3 months later was Istanbul.
I think it was more a case of Chelsea making Chelsea look pretty ordinary today, but fair play to Liverpool they killed them off fairly early on.
I've actully always fancied Liverpool to beat Barcelona. Think a English side or Inter will be lifting the trophy in Athens come May too.
Well when the shiek comes in Feburary with his Billions,and If Rafa doesn't win a trophy it's bye bye.
They have a good chance against Barca.
Proudy
21-01-2007, 03:54 PM
How the hell do you know he'll get sacked?
Any normal new chairman would give him the following season, so he can have a large transfer budget.
Even Abromovich waited a year before he brought his own man in, and Raneri never won a thing at Chelsea.
Liverpool can't possibly expect to bring anyone better than Rafa in.
Walshy
22-01-2007, 05:20 AM
I can't believe someone thought about sacking Rafa after 2 bad results! I mean, he has won 2 cups in 2 years granted this season has been a step backwards but you can't except constant success.
The result against Chelsea doesn't really count in the should he stay/go argument (if any team lost 3 centerbacks they'd be in trouble), but it is a vicotry that can inspire the players to maybe go on and beat Barca, you've beaten the champions (injuries or not), they've beaten Barca...go figure!
Wolverine
21-02-2007, 10:33 PM
Yeah, Rafa out.
Yeah, Rafa out.
Get over it.
Liverpool sacking Rafa Benitez makes as much sense as Steve McClaren playing Andy Johnson out of position in a role he has minimal experience in (attacking midfield) in that it makes absolutely none and only an idiot would want him to leave Anfield.
Wolverine
22-02-2007, 12:04 PM
Get over it.
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Christof
22-02-2007, 12:43 PM
King to be fair to Wolverine, I was expecting the Rafa out comment especially with this thread and the fact that after every good result for Liverpool someone posts it! It's tongue in cheek, no point getting upset.
Not upset buddy far from it.
I have no problem with the posts having a real sh**ty day in work to be honest apologies if I seemed cranky.
:xyx
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