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Dave7g
24-06-2007, 06:13 AM
I hope this thread won't get closed straight away as it may educate some of our younger viewers anyway!
Latley I have taken a shine to some pills and I am not happy about it, it;s just that tonight there were none available and I was annoyed. This is clearly my first step towards addiction I think. I am worried now.
I have never taken a hit from extasy or anything like that, but the pills I was given last week were HERBAL! I must insist that if you are offered these, 100% legal pills that can be purchased in a shop with no consequences, do NOT take them. It took me 3 days to get over the last batch which included a 29 hour sleep! (I did manage to miss the TNA ppv and some would say well done).
Now I feel I want more of them, yet I know how stupid it is, I am one who cannot under any circumstances smoke pot without puking for at least 10 hours (it really did happen once) I'm allergic to it. And I hate it.
My rant here is anti-drugs, but I want to know if any of you are in a similar boat, perhaps some advice on how to not be miserable when you cant get the very thing you vowed to never take again.
I'm a chocaholic. Ok, don't laugh, seriously, if I go too long without it, I get the shakes. It's awful.
I'm definitely of the belief that some people have addictive persionalities and will find something to be addicted to-if it's herbal pills then try not to worry,they aren't going to do anywhere near as much harm as a hell of a lot of things out there! If you want to stop, try weaning yourself off them slowly-cold turkey can be a killer!!
The trick to kicking addiction is the honest desire to stay clean, you really have to want to kick the addiction for any success.
It is Hard, I know it personally, I kicked nicotine, then I kicked food!
Three things I learnt after taking a certain Class A...
a) It is nothing to be proud of (the certain drug, that is)
b) It's utter crap, does next to nothing and is not worth it at all. I haven't done it since.
c) I did it before going somewhere fun, i.e. a concert. By the time the comedown started, I was in the midst of watching a band I really enjoy, meaning that the subsequent depression afterwards was minimal to non-existant.
Basically, just keep your mind on other things and don't let it consume you. You're bigger than the pills and as long as you keep your head focused, eventually you'll just forget about them and function normally.
From someone who smoked cannabis heavily for 11 years straight and saw it destroy my life firsthand, my only advice to you Dave is if you haven't got the willpower to stop taking the pills yourself, then get help before its too late.
Although you are at a very early stage, It does sound like you are turning into an addict, and the only person who can help yourself now is you.
Slim Jim
24-06-2007, 11:57 AM
If you want to stop, try weaning yourself off them slowly-cold turkey can be a killer!!
I would not agree with that, especially as they are only over the counter things. Just stop and slap yourself everytime you get the temptation.
Mr. Perfect
24-06-2007, 12:02 PM
Here's an idea....dont do it in the first place! drugs addicts and people who take drugs have no one to blame but themselves.
Popsi
24-06-2007, 12:08 PM
Well thats helpful Mr P. He's not looking for someone to preach and tell him not to do it in the first place. He's looking for advice about what to do now.
Mr. Perfect
24-06-2007, 12:42 PM
Well thats helpful Mr P. He's not looking for someone to preach and tell him not to do it in the first place. He's looking for advice about what to do now.
Dont buy them, yes its really that simple, dont get the money out of your pocket and give it to the crazy man with pills.
Here's an idea....dont do it in the first place!.
Too late, idiot. Unhelpful, don't you think?
Anime_Otaku
24-06-2007, 01:04 PM
I've managed to avoid taking addictive drugs so I'm not much good for advice but I hope you get through it ok, and yes Mr P is an unhelpful jerk.
What did you take so the rest of us know to avoid them?
Sorry to hear that Dave.
Just keep the head and try to concentrate on other things,I know it might be hard but you will get through it.
Oh and Perfect don't me a dumbass all your life.
Just stop and slap yourself everytime you get the temptation.
You could slap yourself from now until Christmas, it still wouldn't stop someone avoiding temptation if they are already hooked.
Darkstar
24-06-2007, 02:28 PM
Oh and Perfect don't me a dumbass all your life.
One of my fave typos ever. :lol
One of my fave typos ever. :lol:lol I didn't even notice until you said!!! :lol
Al Stevens
24-06-2007, 03:18 PM
First off Dave dont worry i am addicted to Smoking, and i want to stop for my dad.
As Good2Go say if you dont think you have the will power yourself then seriousally go and get some help.
Oh and Mr P you my friend are a dumbass, would you go into a post about someone who has cancer and say "Well they brought it on to them selfs?" i dont think so. So unless you have good advice to give and not the stupid childish "Well dont do it" crap then stay clear of them.
lafdugga
24-06-2007, 03:20 PM
I personally think the legal drugs are more adictive than canibis, the legal equivelent of this leaves you wanting more and the LSD equivelent gave my brother a really bad trip and scared him really badly how that is legal i will never know. Just wean yourself of slowly or if you have the will power stop altogether it is good you you in the long run.
dpddave
24-06-2007, 04:35 PM
Its actually being proved that legal drugs are more addictive than canabis...coffee,cigarettes and alcohol are also believe it or not.
Anywho as someone who quite regulary took ecstasy a couple of years back for maybe every weekend for over a year i can tell you its quiet easy to get addicted to the buzz...but if i could stop after so long of doing it im sure you can.
The trick is mate keep yourself busy,if your sitting idle its gonna pop in to your head that you want them and it can get depressing so find something to do,if your mates are taking them well your gonna have to keep away from them for a couple of weeks aswel.
Another thing,keep reminding yourself how you felt after taking them the last time...do you really wanna wake up in the morning and feel like **** again??
Its hard CR but like i said if i can stop after so long then im sure you can no bothers...
Edit - also regarding weaning yourself of them its very difficult to do with pills because after you take one and your up on that buzz your just gonna keep taking more and more...
Nicole
24-06-2007, 04:39 PM
I'd stop associating with people who you do the drugs with, because it's only gonna lead you to start again. Just try to avoid the drugs totally, maybe avoid places that you usually do the drugs in? Finding a new hobby might be a motivation for keeping away from drugs aswell.
Dont buy them, yes its really that simple, dont get the money out of your pocket and give it to the crazy man with pills.
Until you've done drugs you have no idea what its like to be under that control so get off your soapbox. plus man your 18 its kindof arrogant trying to moralise a 30 odd year old.
A couple of years ago i had a bad patch when i was doing including but not limited too Cocaine, Crack and acid. It was the whole part of being in a band at aparty after a gig someone passes round some gear and in a pissed state u try it. You like it so you try it again before you know it your doing it every day. luckily after a couple of months (when it was becoming noticable to friends) i was able to quit cold turkey. Its was by far the hardest thing ive ever done in my life but the most rewarding.
Telling someone that doing drugs is stupid is no help whatsoever, its stating the obvious yea but talking down on someone is not the way.
All i can say mate is talk to people friends are without a doubt the best remedy in my experience.
Miss T
24-06-2007, 08:21 PM
My two cents on the subject.. I too have tried these herbal highs/legal drugs/whatever.. they're rubbish and all they do is give you insomnia. I dont really understand your post.. you say you hate them but want to try them again? You must have THE most addictive personality if you've tried something once and fancy trying it again - does that mean its the beginning of an addiction?!
Aholda
24-06-2007, 08:23 PM
Man I smoke weed everyday, I love it. But...
But if youre tryin to get off something, practice affrimations, work out, get away from the people who do them, and try your best to get your mind off it anyway possible.
I was on the powder hard until my girlfriend came around, now, i wanna do it, but i don't simple as that.
and Mr. Perfect, youre a chump dude, do have the slightest clue what its like to "have to have" something thats chemically addictive? I doubt it. Don't tell anyone who wants to stop to just stop, until you have gotten wet dont coach a swimmer.
The Beltster
24-06-2007, 08:25 PM
Until you've done drugs you have no idea what its like to be under that control so get off your soapbox.You dont have to have ever been on drugs to tell somebody they shouldnt have started in the first place. Sure its not helping, but its a valid point. If your f*cking stupid enough to play with that sh*t in the first place and somebody feels like letting you know, I dont see the problem.
I've never done drugs and have zero pity for those who have, become addicted and die or become a bottom feeding washed out unwanted piece of crap. You brought it on yourself, so dont expect people to all be giving you praise and support when you finally realise how stupid you have been.
And thats nothing to do with being on a soapbox, its an opinion and a valid one.
Not starting a row here, but people who want to tell you that you have been a prat have as much right to do so as people giving you advice, people calling Mr Perfect this and that because he has no sympathy isnt fair IMO.
Dave, you arent a 14 yr old boy under peer pressure in the school yard, that you are becoming addicted to any sort of pills at over 30 years old means you should have known better. Hopefully you kick your addiction, but why you started in the first place and at your age baffles me.
Good luck.
Mr. Perfect, youre a chump dude, do have the slightest clue what its like to "have to have" something thats chemically addictive?Obviously not, because he wasnt retarded enough to mess with that pathetic sh*t in the first place. Lets all condemn him for making good choices, and leave all the praise and nice words for those who screw up :roll
Three things I learnt after taking a certain Class A...
a) It is nothing to be proud of (the certain drug, that is)
b) It's utter crap, does next to nothing and is not worth it at all. I haven't done it since.
c) I did it before going somewhere fun, i.e. a concert. By the time the comedown started, I was in the midst of watching a band I really enjoy, meaning that the subsequent depression afterwards was minimal to non-existant.
Basically, just keep your mind on other things and don't let it consume you. You're bigger than the pills and as long as you keep your head focused, eventually you'll just forget about them and function normally.
From someone who smoked cannabis heavily for 11 years straight and saw it destroy my life firsthand, my only advice to you Dave is if you haven't got the willpower to stop taking the pills yourself, then get help before its too late.
Although you are at a very early stage, It does sound like you are turning into an addict, and the only person who can help yourself now is you.
I'd stop associating with people who you do the drugs with, because it's only gonna lead you to start again. Just try to avoid the drugs totally, maybe avoid places that you usually do the drugs in? Finding a new hobby might be a motivation for keeping away from drugs aswell.
There's some really good advice here Dave. I'd just like to add that it really is never too early to join a program. Even going to one meeting can help. Hearing from peole who've gone further into addiction than yourself and still come back can be very motivational, because man, it's up to you to stop yourself.
I was goin to a bad place with constant smoking and consistent psychedelic drug use. But my girlfriend stepped in and helped me realize what I was doing. A strong friend on the side of helping you stop can be great help.
Miss T
24-06-2007, 08:36 PM
You dont have to have ever been on drugs to tell somebody they shouldnt have started in the first place. Sure its not helping, but its a valid point. If your f*cking stupid enough to play with that sh*t in the first place and somebody feels like letting you know, I dont see the problem.
I've never done drugs and have zero pity for those who have, become addicted and die or become a bottom feeding washed out unwanted piece of crap. You brought it on yourself, so dont expect people to all be giving you praise and support when you finally realise how stupid you have been.
And thats nothing to do with being on a soapbox, its an opinion and a valid one.
Not starting a row here, but people who want to tell you that you have been a prat have as much right to do so as people giving you advice, people calling Mr Perfect this and that because he has no sympathy isnt fair IMO.
Dave, you arent a 14 yr old boy under peer pressure in the school yard, that you are becoming addicted to any sort of pills at over 30 years old means you should have known better. Hopefully you kick your addiction, but why you started in the first place and at your age baffles me.
Good luck.
Obviously not, because he wasnt retarded enough to mess with that pathetic sh*t in the first place. Lets all condemn him for making good choices, and leave all the praise and nice words for those who screw up :roll
You really think you are some kind of perfect being dont you?! :lol
Do you not think the same goes for any alcoholic?! Shame on you for having a drink the first place. When you lead the perfect healthy life then you can come back and be so judgemental.
The Beltster
24-06-2007, 08:49 PM
You really think you are some kind of perfect being dont you?! :lolNo not at all, I'm just not going to sit here and be told by anybody else that I cant have an opinion and voice it, especially if it isnt nonsensical and is perfectly valid. Perfect wasnt helping, thats true, but that he got slammed by almost everybody who came into this thread and not a single mod said anything I find a bit disgusting. That Mr Perfect has let all these people talk to him like this is quite sad too, say something, stand up for yourself for Christ sake!
Do you not think the same goes for any alcoholic?! Shame on you for having a drink the first place. When you lead the perfect healthy life then you can come back and be so judgemental.Having one drink, in moderation, isnt going to lead to you becoming an alcoholic. If you are taking something in high doses which you KNOW you are going to become addicted to, then your a w*nker, end of story.
And I didnt judge Dave, I gave him my opinion. He might be and probably is a nice enough guy, doesnt mean the fact he started taking an addictive drug at an age where he should and probably does know better wasnt totally stupid. I dont judge people because they take drugs. I know loads of druggies, my brother in law couldnt smoke any more weed if he tried, and he is an awesome bloke. I think the world of him. If he asked me to give my opinion on his weed smoking though, I'd tell him I think he is a prat for wasting his money on it.
I've never judged you, have I?
Like I said, good luck Dave. You might need it, you might not. I hope your get yourself back on track.
Redneck Messiah
24-06-2007, 09:14 PM
BeltMart--Have you drank coffee, soda, alcohol, or smoked ciggerrettes? If you answered "yes", then you have used drugs. Caffiene and Nicotine are drugs and can be just as addictive as the illegal ones. I'm just curious if you have used any of the above named as you have stated you have never used drugs.
Sadly marijuana isn't any worse than nicotine or alchohol and I don't get why the first isn't legal while the last two are. I don't condone drug usage but here in the states too much time and money is wasted on petty pot offenses when there are way more severe drugs that they should be giving more attention to chasing.
I have empathy for those who have had issues with quitting using drugs. I've had family members that had many struggles in their lives. It's unfair not to have empathy for those who make mistakes. Not everybody who become addicted are horrible people. People who do tend to turn out to be idiots of the highest degree while using drugs were probably jerks before they used the drugs. To not give support/have compassion to somebody who sincerely wants help and is reaching out for assistance just boggles my mind. Everybody has their vices and everybody makes mistakes.
I have given up alcohol, pot, and caffiene at different points of my life without much problem. However, some people do have more addictive personalities and I praise those who seek out help and assistance when needed.
Dave7g
24-06-2007, 09:29 PM
It's not that I went out and bought them, I was offered one as a herbal, legal thing, which I just thought would be nothing since they are legal and all. I tried e before but it did absolutley nothing for me, so I don't have much interest in it. This was different, it was a good time, at the time but I was wasted for days after, only because I took a few more after the initial "buzz".
I asked around about them and apparantly one of them is equivilant to 5 normal E's!!! That shocked me a little.
I'm definetly not addicted to them at all, it's just that last night I really wanted one and was pissed off that there were none. I'm weary of them too because of the way they, you know, screw up your whole week!
Miss T
24-06-2007, 09:34 PM
In your first post you said you've never tried extasy?
Slim Jim
24-06-2007, 09:37 PM
I think he meant he'd taken it but it didn't effect him (as in "take a hit" rather than take the pill).
Redneck Messiah
24-06-2007, 09:41 PM
Darn it, I had to re-edit my post as my origional edit was done at 4:20 of all times and that gave me a chuckle seeing it :lol
Gemsi
24-06-2007, 10:13 PM
I don't understand addictions, if somethings going to be harmful to you, or the people around you then why take it?
I was addicted to caffiene at one point, I was drinking litres of the stuff a day. But it was only because I was so obsessed at the time with getting my weight up, that coffee and fizzy pop was just pretty much necessary, as I couldn't eat and build up drinks were making me puke. I was eventually banned from coffee, but it was only because they thought i wasn't sleeping properly because of it (which afterwards was put down to me just being unable to sleep, caffiene or no caffiene). I only wanted it because it was the only thing stopping me looking anorexic. Infact Glitch will remember my coffee ban, about a month in, and how thin I was in Febuary.
If warm milk and 6 sugars was actually drinkable, I wouldn't have bothered even adding coffee to it.
The amount of people I've heard of, who've suddenly quit smoking as a family member has lung cancer, is just weird. People say it's so hard to do, yet put in those circumsances where it's a family member dying, they can stop straight away?
By that rule, then people who have addictions should quit whining about it. If you really want to stop then you will. It's you stopping you quitting, nothing else.
That's my 2 cents worth anyway feel free to cry about what I've said, or ignore me whatever.
The Beltster
24-06-2007, 10:34 PM
BeltMart--Have you drank coffee, soda, alcohol, or smoked ciggerrettes? If you answered "yes", then you have used drugs. Caffiene and Nicotine are drugs and can be just as addictive as the illegal ones. I'm just curious if you have used any of the above named as you have stated you have never used drugs.Stop being so over-the-top pedantic. Yes I've drank soda and coffee and the occasional beer, never smoked and regardless of what you are trying to say (which is complete nonsense) I've NEVER taken drugs barring paracetemol and oxytetracycline. You know damn well when I said I've never taken drugs I meant coke, heroin, weed, ecsacy etc. Jesus Christ if there is something I hate its a pedantic smart ass who takes everything by the literal sense of the word!
I havent used drugs, end of story.
Sadly marijuana isn't any worse than nicotine or alchohol and I don't get why the first isn't legal while the last two are. I don't condone drug usage but here in the states too much time and money is wasted on petty pot offenses when there are way more severe drugs that they should be giving more attention to chasing.Agreed. I dont see the reason weed isnt legal either.
I have empathy for those who have had issues with quitting using drugs. I've had family members that had many struggles in their lives. It's unfair not to have empathy for those who make mistakes. Not everybody who become addicted are horrible people. People who do tend to turn out to be idiots of the highest degree while using drugs were probably jerks before they used the drugs. To not give support/have compassion to somebody who sincerely wants help and is reaching out for assistance just boggles my mind. Everybody has their vices and everybody makes mistakes.I've had family die of drugs overdoses, tough sh*t on them. They didnt have to start taking drugs, NOBODY forced them. And hey, who here said that the people who are druggies are horrible people? I didnt nor do I think that. I have friends who indulge in drugs, and thats totally upto them. Unfair not to have empathy? Rubbish. I have empathy for starving kids who cant eat because their parents spend their dole money on heroin. I feel empathy for kids whos parents leave their dirty needles around and the kids ***** themselves and find themselves HIV positive at 3 yrs old, or are BORN HIV positive. I dont have empathy for people who make bad CHOICES in their lives. They could have easily made the opposite choice, they CHOSE not to, thats their problem. I have ZERO sympathy for them. And please, dont pan it off as mistakes, thats crap. They chose to take drugs, nobody forced anything on them. Like Chris Rock said, a crack dealer isnt going to force it on you, he isnt going to be sat in his house thinking "Damn, how am I going to get rid of all this crack?!" A dealer walks up to you, asks you if you want it, you say no and THATS IT! You say yes and get hooked and you want sympathy? You can kiss my ass. (Not you personally, but you get my point).
I have given up alcohol, pot, and caffiene at different points of my life without much problem. However, some people do have more addictive personalities and I praise those who seek out help and assistance when needed.I think its good when people seek help sure, it means they have seen the error of their ways and thats awesome. But if you want sympathy? Get on your knees and ask God, because you wont get it from me.
Redneck Messiah
24-06-2007, 11:04 PM
Drugs are drugs period. Don't act like it was a stupid question because you were admonishing those for taking drugs yet you have done so yourself after stating that you have never taken drugs. Alcohol and Caffiene are highly addictive and yes they are classified as drugs. Look it up and how they are classified with all the other drugs you named. You can spin it all you want but you have used drugs.
Ive done pretty much every drug going on more than one occasion. Never found it big or clever, and knew that they could be harmful, and knowing the long term affects and risks one dodgy Ecstasy tablet coupled with the cost could have, far outweighed the feeling of being high...I stopped...
The Beltster
24-06-2007, 11:12 PM
Drugs are drugs period. Don't act like it was a stupid question because you were admonishing those for taking drugs yet you have done so yourself. Alcohol and Caffiene are highly addictive and yes they are classified as drugs. Look it up and how they are classified with all the other drugs you named. You can spin it all you want but you have used drugs.Oh bullshit! Pepsi isnt a drug, Coke is! :lol No, but seriously, saying coffee and Sprite are drugs, which means I've taken drugs is you being pedantic, I dont give two shits what you say, I'm not a drug user in the sense that we are all talking about here and you know it, your just being a smart ass like I said earlier. The only person spinning things here is you, and you come across as a complete fool by even insinuating that my admonishing of heroin and other illegal drug users is contradictory as I've drank a God-damn Dr Pepper!
I dont need to look up anything, because both myself and you know you are taking things in the literal sense of the word, and therefor being stupid.
Next you will saying I'm a "drinker" because I have drank water before! How sad.
Mr. Perfect
24-06-2007, 11:16 PM
Until you've done drugs
I'll stop you right there, ive done them, i didnt like it so i stopped, it was really quite simple, im sorry if this sounds harsh but you made your bed, now lie in it, im not trying to be a jerk believe me, i just dont like it when drug addicts blame everything but themselves for what they are, both my brothers do drugs regularly, one alot more than the other, and its screwed him up big time and i refuse to give him an ounce of sympathy because he doesnt deserve it, whether he's my brother or not.
Redneck Messiah
25-06-2007, 12:01 AM
Oh bullshit! Pepsi isnt a drug, Coke is! :lol No, but seriously, saying coffee and Sprite are drugs, which means I've taken drugs is you being pedantic, I dont give two shits what you say, I'm not a drug user in the sense that we are all talking about here and you know it, your just being a smart ass like I said earlier. The only person spinning things here is you, and you come across as a complete fool by even insinuating that my admonishing of heroin and other illegal drug users is contradictory as I've drank a God-damn Dr Pepper!
I dont need to look up anything, because both myself and you know you are taking things in the literal sense of the word, and therefor being stupid.
Next you will saying I'm a "drinker" because I have drank water before! How sad.
Oh Please you've admitted to drinking beer. Are you going to say that's the same as soda/pop too? There's no sense in trying to have a healthy debate when you are resorting with childish banter/namecalling. I've never stated you used drugs to the extent of some of the junkies out there but the fact is that you have used drugs (even thouigh you've stated you have not which is false...).
Christof
25-06-2007, 06:53 AM
There is a huge difference between having a beer (singular not binging) every so often and illegal drugs. To claim otherwise seems absurd.
There is a huge difference between having a beer (singular not binging) every so often and illegal drugs. To claim otherwise seems absurd.
But there's virtually no difference between occassionally drinking a few, and smoking a bowl just as occassionally. :good222: To claim otherwise is a common misconception.
The Beltster
25-06-2007, 09:12 AM
Oh Please you've admitted to drinking beer. Are you going to say that's the same as soda/pop too? There's no sense in trying to have a healthy debate when you are resorting with childish banter/namecalling. I've never stated you used drugs to the extent of some of the junkies out there but the fact is that you have used drugs (even thouigh you've stated you have not which is false...).I've never smoked a ciggerette in my life, probably had 20 cups of coffee in the past 10 years, drink 2-3 cans of Dr Pepper per week and havent had an alcoholic drink in God knows how long...well over a year I think, and probably in the past 5 years have likely had no more than 10 beers. I'm ashamed, I never realised I was a junkie :lol
Its already become obvious that arguing with you will be pointless, so I'll say one more time: I havent taken drugs before. If you dont understand what I mean by that, then your a buffoon. End of story.
The Beltster
25-06-2007, 10:56 AM
Dr Pepper? Dude...eww...Its so misunderstood.
Its so misunderstood.
Im with you on that one....I just wish pubs over here had it on tap like in the States!!
The Beltster
25-06-2007, 11:05 AM
Im with you on that one....I just wish pubs over here had it on tap like in the States!!Surely you jest, Dr Pepper, on tap, in pubs? This might be the greatest thing I've ever heard of.
Surely you jest, Dr Pepper, on tap, in pubs? This might be the greatest thing I've ever heard of.
I kid you not....in the majority of drinking waterholes as well....
Dr Pepper....Whats the worse that can happen
Nicole
25-06-2007, 11:23 AM
By that rule, then people who have addictions should quit whining about it. If you really want to stop then you will. It's you stopping you quitting, nothing else.
If it was really that easy, I don't think he'd need us to tell him what to do.
Miss T
25-06-2007, 11:44 AM
I've never smoked a ciggerette in my life, probably had 20 cups of coffee in the past 10 years, drink 2-3 cans of Dr Pepper per week and havent had an alcoholic drink in God knows how long...well over a year I think, and probably in the past 5 years have likely had no more than 10 beers. I'm ashamed, I never realised I was a junkie :lol
Its already become obvious that arguing with you will be pointless, so I'll say one more time: I havent taken drugs before. If you dont understand what I mean by that, then your a buffoon. End of story.
Fair point then, I thought you go out every weekend with the boys and get pissed. My bad!
Darkstar
25-06-2007, 11:47 AM
If it was really that easy, I don't think he'd need us to tell him what to do.
Though there is a bit of truth in Gems statement. Until you actually want to stop you will probably not manage it. I quit smoking on my third attempt, the first two times I didnt want to quit really, but on the third I actually wanted to quit and so did.
Nicole
25-06-2007, 11:57 AM
Even if you have the strongest willpower in the world, you are still going to find it difficult to quit. It's not a case of stop whining and get on with it. If I was an alcoholic and went to an AA meeting, I'd be pretty pissed if that was the best advice they could offer me.
Darkstar
25-06-2007, 03:51 PM
No I agree Nicole, addiction is hard to be rid of. Its kinda why its gotten the name. I just mean that while I disagree with what she put the post did have a grain of truth.
Dave get back on that Golf course fella,get your mind off things.
Redneck Messiah
26-06-2007, 05:15 PM
I've never smoked a ciggerette in my life, probably had 20 cups of coffee in the past 10 years, drink 2-3 cans of Dr Pepper per week and havent had an alcoholic drink in God knows how long...well over a year I think, and probably in the past 5 years have likely had no more than 10 beers. I'm ashamed, I never realised I was a junkie :lol
Its already become obvious that arguing with you will be pointless, so I'll say one more time: I havent taken drugs before. If you dont understand what I mean by that, then your a buffoon. End of story.
I pointed it out because your arrogance is breathtaking. You were basically acting all high and almighty saying you never did drugs. Alcohol is a drug that ranks right up there with pot, shrooms, and coke in my opinion. Alcohol may be worst than things like pot, acid, and shrooms as there's a high rate of becoming addicted to it while you don't see that with the latter. For anybody who drinks alcohol or smokes nicotine (Yes, I know you haven't tried the latter) products to say they haven't tried/used drugs and lambast others for doing so is quite hypocritical and ignorant. Yes alcohol and nicotine is legal but they are still just as hardcore and addictive as the so called "harder" drugs. And yes I realize you haven't had extensive alcohol usage but to call everybody morons and stupid for trying or using drugs I just found that a bit much.
It's a message board and I will post my opinion if I wish. I won't lose any sleep knowing you don't care what I think especiallly by somebody who resorts to grade school name callling. Not everybody is going to agree with your prespectives on things so deal with it :)
I'm addicted to caffine. I NEED it, I can't go anywhere without needing a drink with caffine. If I don't have it I get cotten-mouthed, very tired, irritable, agressive and sometimes even get shivery. It's really weird and I've tried to go without caffine for a week and it just made me worse.
The Beltster
26-06-2007, 06:35 PM
I pointed it out because your arrogance is breathtaking. You were basically acting all high and almighty saying you never did drugs.My arrogance isnt breath-taking, what is is how pedantic and over-the-top you are, not only is it breath-taking, but its absurd. And since when does saying "I have never done drugs." make somebody 'high and mighty'? I'm proud I made good decisions and choices in my life regarding drugs, but I dont push it in anybodies face. If the subject is brought up I'll let people know. There is nothing high and mighty about being proud that you made good choices.
Alcohol is a drug that ranks right up there with pot, shrooms, and coke in my opinion. Alcohol may be worst than things like pot, acid, and shrooms as there's a high rate of becoming addicted to it while you don't see that with the latter. For anybody who drinks alcohol or smokes nicotine (Yes, I know you haven't tried the latter) products to say they haven't tried/used drugs and lambast others for doing so is quite hypocritical and ignorant.You are putting alcohol on the same level as Cocaine?! Jesus Christ, are you retarded? And like I've said, I havent had an alcoholic beverage in well over a year and only a handful of beers likely in the past decade. And, I've never smoked or taken any illegal drugs or stimulants. Therefor, I havent tried nor do I use drugs. You see, when I say drugs, I mean coke, Heroin, weed, acid, pills etc and you KNOW thats EXACTLY what I mean. I've taken paracetemol so you can say I've used drugs, but again thats you being pedantic. We all know what I meant when I said it, so lets not be a picky little **** and try and label somebody a drug user because they had a beer a year or more ago or taken paracetemols for a headache last week, it makes you looks like somebody who is grasping at straws to save your weak argument.
Yes alcohol and nicotine is legal but they are still just as hardcore and addictive as the so called "harder" drugs. And yes I realize you haven't had extensive alcohol usage but to call everybody morons and stupid for trying or using drugs I just found that a bit much.So you dont consider people who try or use coke, heroin, pills etc to be a bit stupid, or to have made some wrong and STUPID (you might say moronic) decisions? If not, good for you. I do, and I have no problem expressing that opinion. Unlike you, I'm not trying to get people to agree with me, people have every right to think what the want.
It's a message board and I will post my opinion if I wish. I won't lose any sleep knowing you don't care what I think especiallly by somebody who resorts to grade school name callling. Not everybody is going to agree with your prespectives on things so deal with it :)I'm glad you wont lose any sleep over what I think, as in the same breath I dont care what you think. I realise your being picky for the sake of trying to sound clever, and I also realise that I'm not the only one who thinks you are coming across as a fool.
I've never used drugs in the sense we are talking about, and thats the end of it. Argue that all you like, it wont change that if you say otherwise, your wrong, end of story.
Redneck Messiah
26-06-2007, 06:51 PM
My arrogance isnt breath-taking, what is is how pedantic and over-the-top you are, not only is it breath-taking, but its absurd. And since when does saying "I have never done drugs." make somebody 'high and mighty'? I'm proud I made good decisions and choices in my life regarding drugs, but I dont push it in anybodies face. If the subject is brought up I'll let people know. There is nothing high and mighty about being proud that you made good choices.
And again you have twisted my words. I never stated you were arrogant because you said you were proud you haven't tried drugs. I stated your approach and namecalling was arrogant. Please direct quote me where I stated I said you were high and almighty because you were proud that "you have never tried drugs". I've gone back and looked and I stated that you had a high and almighty atitude because you stated you never used drugs while condeming others for doing so.....not because you were "proud" that you never used drugs. I stated that I didn't think that you should be condeming those saying you've never tried drugs becuase alcohol is a drug. The rest of the paragraph clearly explains this also. You should be very proud that you haven't tried anything more than alcohol.
You are putting alcohol on the same level as Cocaine?! Jesus Christ, are you retarded? And like I've said, I havent had an alcoholic beverage in well over a year and only a handful of beers likely in the past decade. And, I've never smoked or taken any illegal drugs or stimulants. Therefor, I havent tried nor do I use drugs. You see, when I say drugs, I mean coke, Heroin, weed, acid, pills etc and you KNOW thats EXACTLY what I mean. I've taken paracetemol so you can say I've used drugs, but again thats you being pedantic. We all know what I meant when I said it, so lets not be a picky little **** and try and label somebody a drug user because they had a beer a year or more ago or taken paracetemols for a headache last week, it makes you looks like somebody who is grasping at straws to save your weak argument.
And yet again you resort to namecalling. Yes I would place alcohol up there with cocaine. Both are highly addictive, can ruin people's lives, can be overdosed on, and destroy the body. We can have this semantics argument until both of us are blue in the face but the fact is that alcohol is a drug. You haven't tried illegal drugs but you have tried a legal drug and that's a fact no matter how you want to spin it. I don't hae any agenda only that I didn't agree with your perspective and I'm not grasping at straws for the sake of getting into an argument.
So you dont consider people who try or use coke, heroin, pills etc to be a bit stupid, or to have made some wrong and STUPID (you might say moronic) decisions? If not, good for you. I do, and I have no problem expressing that opinion. Unlike you, I'm not trying to get people to agree with me, people have every right to think what the want.
Once again I never stated how I feel about people who have tried drugs. Everybody makes poor decisions and I'm not going to condemn others while I have my own faults, sins, and mistakes. Yet another insult thrown in there because you can't debate in a rational manner. When have I stated that I'm trying to get people to agree with me? Please, again, direct quote me on this since you are stating this as fact. I have been quite civil in this debate and have directed my questions towards you without trying to sway anybody's opinion on the subject.
I'm glad you wont lose any sleep over what I think, as in the same breath I dont care what you think. I realise your being picky for the sake of trying to sound clever, and I also realise that I'm not the only one who thinks you are coming across as a fool.
I'm glad you won't lose any sleep either. It's a message board and it would be insane to let something like this upset anybody. And I'm sure there are some who may not agree with me but I'm sure you aren't winning some over by being insultive, twisting words, and belittling with some of your approaches. Not everybody is going to agree with your prespectives so get over it. There's no use to further this discussion really with how you approach things and treat people. I don't need to be insultive/belittling to have a debate and express my thoughts and opinions on a subject matter. Honestly we are both not going to agree with each other's thoughts on this subject and that's fine.
Beltmark, you seem to think that if a drug is illegal it is immediately infinately worse than the myriad of legal perscription pharmecuticals. Ambien, a prescription sleep aid, sometimes even prescribed to childern can induce an acid-like trip in a double dose, or even an intoxicated feeling in the recommended dose if you don't fall asleep on it. Herion was originally a cough suppressant, a damn cough drop! And let's not even get started on the fact that many illegal drugs have been used for thousands, and possibly millions of years legally and responsibly, only to be made illegal relatively recently for political and racist (yes, racist) reasons.
The Beltster
26-06-2007, 10:11 PM
Beltmark, you seem to think that if a drug is illegal it is immediately infinately worse than the myriad of legal perscription pharmecuticals. Ambien, a prescription sleep aid, sometimes even prescribed to childern can induce an acid-like trip in a double dose, or even an intoxicated feeling in the recommended dose if you don't fall asleep on it. Herion was originally a cough suppressant, a damn cough drop! And let's not even get started on the fact that many illegal drugs have been used for thousands, and possibly millions of years legally and responsibly, only to be made illegal relatively recently for political and racist (yes, racist) reasons.Your wrong, without question. I never said ANYWHERE that a drug is worse if its illegal. I simply stated that comparing me, somebody who has had pretty much no alcohol in 28 years and never smoked once to a person who snorts coke is retarded. My point was when I say I've never done drugs, I mean heroin, coke, pills etc. I was arguing with the guy because he was being pedantic and picky.
I never once said just because its illegal makes it worse, because I know different. I've seen enough over almost 30 years to know better.
Again, my main point was (and I stand by it 100%) that I'm not, nor have I ever been a drug user or abuser, regardless that I drink soda and take paracetemol.
Burakiosaurus
26-06-2007, 10:29 PM
good to see Belty is back to his usual best
The Beltster
26-06-2007, 10:44 PM
good to see Belty is back to his usual bestGood to see Burakio is still posting his usual pointless one liners with no substance or relevance. I guess we are both back to doing what we do best! :xyx
Burakiosaurus
26-06-2007, 11:18 PM
you know it makes sense dude, wouldn't have it any other way
Anime_Otaku
28-06-2007, 12:39 PM
Just a little stat I heard on The Wright Stuff this morning.
3000 people in the UK die due to using banned substances 150000 die from using alcohol and smoking.
Gemsi
28-06-2007, 01:26 PM
There kinda scarey stats, but not really fair to be used in any sort of debate.
If alcohol and smoking were banned substances it would be fairer. People are more wary of other drugs because they are banned, and most people don't want to breaketh the law.
Look at prohibition though. Barely changed a thing.
If anything it would probably make it worse.
Banning alcohol wouldn't stop people from being alcoholics, only the people can do that.
The Beltster
28-06-2007, 02:23 PM
Just a little stat I heard on The Wright Stuff this morning.
3000 people in the UK die due to using banned substances 150000 die from using alcohol and smoking.Thats one of those stats that isnt really a fair comparison as already stated.
If as many people in the UK injected heroin everyday and as often as they smoke a ciggerette or drink a beer, I guarentee it would be more like 150,000 dying from smoking or drinking and 1,000,000 dying from smack.
Thats one of those stats that isnt really a fair comparison as already stated.
If as many people in the UK injected heroin everyday and as often as they smoke a ciggerette or drink a beer, I guarentee it would be more like 150,000 dying from smoking or drinking and 1,000,000 dying from smack.Agreed, I think if you're going to do something like that, the statistics need to be percentages rather than numbers.
Nicole
29-06-2007, 03:02 AM
It's just manipulated statistics once again. They won't ban smoking or drinking, because it makes too much bloody money. Drinking is too much fun to ban anyway.
It's just manipulated statistics once again. They won't ban smoking or drinking, because it makes too much bloody money. Drinking is too much fun to ban anyway.
But think of the capital that could be produced from legalizing, taxing and licensing the production and distribution of pot, coke!! Oh but wait, coke is illegal because it was proven that black people are unable to control themselves when they take it (or are given it by their slave owners to increase productivity), and become wild killing animals. Aaaaaaaaaaand pot is illegal because it makes those crazy Mexicans fall asleep on the job. That's too bad. :doh32:
Nicole
29-06-2007, 11:48 AM
I'd be up for legalizing pot, seeing as I can smelt it being smoked most of the time anyway. Wouldn't bother me, all the people I know who take pot are cool and stuff.
OiOiOi
29-06-2007, 12:57 PM
I'd be up for legalizing pot, seeing as I can smelt it being smoked most of the time anyway. Wouldn't bother me, all the people I know who take pot are cool and stuff.
All the people I know who smoke pot are either absolute mongoloids or have no life left to speak of.
Nicole
29-06-2007, 12:59 PM
Well all the people I know who smoke pot among other drugs are perfectly fine, rational human beings with their own jobs, houses and lives. One of them had a bit of a hairy experience when he took magic mushrooms and had heart palpitations, but beyond that, nothing. I know people with kids who smoke it and they are normal people. Drug taking really doesn't bother me aslong as it doesn't compound on my happiness. I'll happily let people take drugs around me.
Well all the people I know who smoke pot among other drugs are perfectly fine, rational human beings with their own jobs, houses and lives. One of them had a bit of a hairy experience when he took magic mushrooms and had heart palpitations, but beyond that, nothing. I know people with kids who smoke it and they are normal people. Drug taking really doesn't bother me aslong as it doesn't compound on my happiness. I'll happily let people take drugs around me.I'm pretty much the same, as long as it doesn't affect me or mine, then people can do what they want. My ex smokes pot as do his house mates, yet all 3 have pretty damn good jobs. One is a fully qualified chef.
OiOiOi
29-06-2007, 01:02 PM
Well all the people I know who smoke pot among other drugs are perfectly fine, rational human beings with their own jobs, houses and lives. One of them had a bit of a hairy experience when he took magic mushrooms and had heart palpitations, but beyond that, nothing. I know people with kids who smoke it and they are normal people. Drug taking really doesn't bother me aslong as it doesn't compound on my happiness. I'll happily let people take drugs around me.
People take pot smoking too lightly. Trust me within 2 years they will either be off it or be complete addicts - I've personally seen it happen, twice!
People take pot smoking too lightly. Trust me within 2 years they will either be off it or be complete addicts - I've personally seen it happen, twice!Not everyone is like that!
Nicole
29-06-2007, 01:04 PM
You act like I don't know anybody whos taken substances for more than 2 years. You've seen that happen twice, so that doesn't exactly mean thats the way it happens. All my "druggie" mates as people would call them have been doing drugs for much longer, and they still manage to live fully functioning lives and are actually very sound. If I spoke to them, and their drug taking changed their behaviour towards me, I would never speak to them again because drugs have taken over, but I've never experienced that.
Gemsi
29-06-2007, 01:36 PM
I really don't care if people smoke, take drugs whatever. Aslong as it's not in my breathing space, it's not in anyway affecting my lungs, or my life. And they don't whine about it when they're addicted or dying.
I'm just wondering: what do you reckon the statistics will be, for the people who die from prescrption medication, and people who die from illegal drugs?
I know from experiance, medication can be quite dangerous and have some very funky side effects.
Anime_Otaku
29-06-2007, 01:48 PM
Did a quick search seems in the US prescription drug deaths top 100k
Burakiosaurus
29-06-2007, 01:49 PM
and that's why all the heroine etc.. is banned, so the government can get you hooked on their drugs
lovingly ripped off from Chris Rock that one
and that's why all the heroine etc.. is banned, so the government can get you hooked on their drugs
lovingly ripped off from Chris Rock that one
They name all the symptoms in the world till they find one you got! "Do you go to sleep at night?" YEAH! DAMMIT I NEED THOSE DRUGS!
Brilliance. :)
lafdugga
29-06-2007, 02:11 PM
After seeing firsthand what drugs can do to you if you smoke too much, I would say each to your own but do not smoke around me. My boyfriend smoke 1/4 cannabis a day and after almost a year of permenant drug hazes etc he became more violent, and attacked me with a bread knife before it was just little scuffles. He was sorry when he came down and appologised and i accepted it. When it happened again i called the police and he was sectioned he spent 6 months in hospital and was never the same person, we broke up while he was in hospital part of the healing process but I will never go through that again.
Redneck Messiah
29-06-2007, 05:58 PM
I think with pot it's all moderation. Smoking a 1/4 ounce a day is ALOT of pot and can't be good. I was once a pot smoker for quite a few years and it didn't impact my life negatively in any way other than gaining weight from the munchies. I decided to give it up to lose weight and save money and haven't gone back but may someday. They are really cracking down on it in the states too which is sad as there are far worst drugs and crimes to be chasing, putting money towards combating, and locking people away for doing.
I'm pretty sure that you only get a fifteen dollar ticket in Las Vegas Nevada if you are busted with having pot so hopefully that will provide some overdue looking at the laws and regulations all over the states. Places where pot are legal don't seem to have many issues with it. Pot smokers may be lazy but usually don't commit crimes for their habits or commit violent crimes while using it (there are exceptions as with everything). I don't really see why there's a big stink over it in the states and it's sad how our prisons are already overpopulated yet they still bust pot smokers hard.
If I had it my way and wasn't for my family being in PA I would move to Canada. Better way of living, better laws, better health care, and they seem to have better values/morals compared to our living style in the states.
People take pot smoking too lightly. Trust me within 2 years they will either be off it or be complete addicts - I've personally seen it happen, twice!
I've been smoking pot for coming up on 10 years. It was getting pretty crazy towards the end of high school, but I'm now a responsible smoker and an active part of the work force.
Aholda
30-06-2007, 11:02 PM
I love smoking weed. and where i come from I dont know ANYone who has gone crazy from chiefin. Maybe coke, some H, or crack, but weed, hell nah, yall UK heads must be smoking some dank dank.
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