View Full Version : Does CM Punk have it?
Have what you ask? Does CM Punk have "it" to become this incarnation of ECW's version of Rob Van Dam. The guy who gets the pops no matter who he is facing. The guy the fans have came to see. The guy who's name is chanted from the start of the show until the show ends.
I know it's (very) early, but I feel he could be that man. Sabu gets big pops, as does RVD himself, but they have a limited shelf-life now. So do you think CM Punk is the man to carry on the role of being the "Whole F'n Show" in ECW?
OMAR DAYS
22-09-2006, 10:06 AM
I do eblieve that CM Punk is all that! I love his work and think he has the look to be the man in ECW. Like what DC said about the pops he gets, he is very over and that is great.
I really hope WWE don't mess him up!
Charlemagne
22-09-2006, 10:12 AM
his own work is not in question, its that of the wwe. if they just put him in crappy squash matches just because he is popular wont help him at all. ecw really needs to go to 2 hours a week to have a decent show as the hour they've got at the minute just seems rushed and sloppy and doesnt give anyone the chance to impress. punk is a hell of a worker and im sure if ecw does go to 2 hours he could be in the same league as RVD was back in the glory years
Punk definately has that potential but as others have said; WWE's booking will have a great deal to do with it
He certainly won't ever set the wrestling world on fire like Austin or The Rock; but he become a huge asset to the ECW brand
Mr Lawler
22-09-2006, 10:58 AM
I dont think so, he doesnt have enough for the marks to latch onto in my opinion.
I dont think so, he doesnt have enough for the marks to latch onto in my opinion.Which may not be a bad thing, considering the majority of the old ECW audience were not marks, they could be the ones to push Punk to the next level.
The cheers he got when he confronted King Booker on ECW were huge.
MrFill
22-09-2006, 11:22 AM
I don't think he'll be pushed to the main event as it's well known that Vince likes his Champs to be big and covered in muscles, while Punk almost looks like a normal guy.
The.Icon
22-09-2006, 01:30 PM
Yeah but there are always some exceptions such as Rey, Bret and HBK. Punk could be one of those.
MrFill
22-09-2006, 02:18 PM
Bret was Champ for a reason - it was during the steroid scandal, so Vince wanted a Champion who wasn't all muscular.
Rey is very muscular for a guy of his size - look at the size of his chest. Not to mention that he was given the belt because of Eddie's death.
HBK was a continuation from Bret - a small Champion.
MrKnow
22-09-2006, 02:26 PM
Bret was Champ for a reason - it was during the steroid scandal, so Vince wanted a Champion who wasn't all muscular.
And with the Wellness program being actively enforced.....Im sure a clean cut, straight edged Champion, would be just what Vince would like to promote as the face of the company
Dave7g
22-09-2006, 03:12 PM
I don't think he'll be pushed to the main event as it's well known that Vince likes his Champs to be big and covered in muscles, while Punk almost looks like a normal guy.
The Big Show is big yes, but those aren't muscles. That is what is called "FAT".
Antihero
22-09-2006, 03:14 PM
And with the Wellness program being actively enforced.....Im sure a clean cut, straight edged Champion, would be just what Vince would like to promote as the face of the company
Good call. Been massively impressed with what i've seen of Punk, and i feel he deserves a "bigger" stage. But as has been pointed out before quite correctly, to be a top superstar now depends as much on booking as it does on talent, and thats pretty sad to be honest.
ThePowerIsBack
22-09-2006, 03:25 PM
I'm all for CM Punk being a World Champion of some sort. Hell, if Rey can be a champion, then Punk can be. I think alot of fans (including myself) like CM Punk because he seems 'genuine', not just a gimmick. I think he actually is Clean Made (I think), so fans have alot of respect for him. He's also made a name for himself in ROH. But, to reiterate, if WWE doesn't pay attention to what the fans want (like they do with Matt Hardy), Punk may be buried. I think if you put Punk & The Hardy Boyz together, you'll have one of the best stables in history (not THE best, but still good).
MrKnow
22-09-2006, 03:26 PM
I think if you put Punk & The Hardy Boyz together, you'll have one of the best stables in history (not THE best, but still good).
Would the two contrasting styles work?
Antihero
22-09-2006, 03:27 PM
I'm all for CM Punk being a World Champion of some sort. Hell, if Rey can be a champion, then Punk can be. I think alot of fans (including myself) like CM Punk because he seems 'genuine', not just a gimmick. I think he actually is Clean Made (I think), so fans have alot of respect for him. He's also made a name for himself in ROH. But, to reiterate, if WWE doesn't pay attention to what the fans want (like they do with Matt Hardy), Punk may be buried. I think if you put Punk & The Hardy Boyz together, you'll have one of the best stables in history (not THE best, but still good).
Its a good idea that, the Hardyz and Punk, but do you think Jeff and CM would get along given Jeff's past history (alledgedly)?
Dave7g
22-09-2006, 03:29 PM
What reason is there to put Punk with the Hardy Boys, what good will that do, they are all on different shows, and Punk has zero history with them. It's like saying, Monty Brown should join with Lashley and Booker T.
rawiswar
22-09-2006, 03:30 PM
CM Punk does have it yes. To say he may not become champion due to his size isn't really true. Look at Austin, The Rock, Chris Jericho, Edge. They have all been champion and at the top of the company at one time, and they are not big, big muscle men like Batista and co.
Punk has the charisma, the intensity, the skills, he has it all. To not make him a major player in ECW would be silly.
MoIJohnnyLee
22-09-2006, 04:15 PM
What reason is there to put Punk with the Hardy Boys, what good will that do, they are all on different shows, and Punk has zero history with them. It's like saying, Monty Brown should join with Lashley and Booker T.
Are you saying that '*** they are all black? Are you racist? :evil
I'm joking by the way
Punk is one of the most talented all-rounders in the business. Whether or not WWE bookers make him fulfill the potential that is clearly there (nevermind the hugh pops he gets over every ECW wrestler there is); he's got nothing to prove as far as I'm concerned. I think realisticly I'd love to see him with the IC or US Title. Being World Champ would be a dream IMO.
Dave7g
22-09-2006, 04:49 PM
Are you saying that '*** they are all black? Are you racist? :evil
I'm joking by the way
It's just that people think that certain wrestlers should be lumped together for really no reason other than the blatently obvious sometimes.
Hemme
22-09-2006, 05:12 PM
I think he'll do moderatly well in the WWE, but I can't see him rising above mid-card status, imo anyway, he's alright in the ring, but nothing really special in WWE terms at least.
His sXe gimmick has a very limited shelf-life, especially in the WWE, that said if he shows good adaptability then he could go far.
All fairness aside, I personally think he sucks more bottom than an enema machine.
I think ECW is the perfect platform for Punk to grow into WWE. If he were to be debuted on RAW or SD! I don't think he'd be as over as he is right now. ECW seems to draw fans of indies who can appreciate Punk's qualities. I think it will be possible to build him up in ECW over the course of two years or so and eventually he will be pushed into the bigger rosters where he can achieve some real success. I don't know if he'll ever win a world title but you'd never know. He's a very good worker, albeit overrated, who can pull off a good match out of nowhere. That will do him good in WWE.
MrKnow
22-09-2006, 05:58 PM
I think his comments to Booker T, that "One day maybe I'll challenge for this" shows he wont stay in ECW
I can see this guy being huge.
Maybe in a few months he will be drafted to Smackdown feud with a few guys and then maybe Booker T.
Then maybe a move to RAW and get a rub off the big guys.
I think this guy could headline Wrestlemania someday.
:devil
What reason is there to put Punk with the Hardy Boys, what good will that do, they are all on different shows, and Punk has zero history with them. It's like saying, Monty Brown should join with Lashley and Booker T.
Why would WWE want to bury Punk by having him carry the Hardly Any Good These Days Boys ?
wyndorf
22-09-2006, 07:23 PM
Why would WWE want to bury Punk by having him carry the Hardly Any Good These Days Boys ?
Now this is horrible!
When was the last time Matt Hardy put in a bad performance? The guy is possibly the best wrestler on Smackdown! and is 100% the best seller. To say Matt Hardy isn't much good anymore is ridiculous!
OMAR DAYS
22-09-2006, 07:31 PM
I beileve Matt Hardy is just peaking as a Singles performer! WWE Need to see it!
Now this is horrible!
When was the last time Matt Hardy put in a bad performance? The guy is possibly the best wrestler on Smackdown! and is 100% the best seller. To say Matt Hardy isn't much good anymore is ridiculous!
As much as i hate to, i have to agree with Wyndy here
Matt Hardy is insanely over and his recent work with Helms has been exceptional. He should at least be sniffing around the US title
MrKnow
22-09-2006, 07:41 PM
As much as i hate to, i have to agree with Wyndy here
Matt Hardy is insanely over and his recent work with Helms has been exceptional. He should at least be sniffing around the US title
He is over huge this week on Smackdown
I think Hardy's reached a very high level of performance ever since the Hardy Boyz broke up. Everything from his Cruiserweight Title run to his feud with Edge to his under-push currently on SD! has been of a good standard match-wise. It's a real shame he isn't booked better.
Nemesis Enforcer
22-09-2006, 08:26 PM
I had never seen CM Punk wrestle before he showed up on ECW, most people were syaing he is great and what have you but I couldn't judge, now I have see him a few times I must agree he has what it takes to be a big WWE/ECW star.
That said its a case of will Vince use him as one? look at ECW right now, dominated mostly by what you can call WWE wrestlers, by that I mean people moved over from SD or Raw or who have worked for the company before.
Vince has a bad history of signing people from smaller comapanies who are really over and just letting them go to waste because they are not 'WWE people' so while Punk is great in the ring and entertaining the fact he was not 'made' in WWE by Vince etc may count against him in the long term
carlito is cool
22-09-2006, 08:36 PM
From what ive seen of him hes decent but he could do with packing on a bit more muscle he isn't going to get any significant push with his current physique.
lawrence619
22-09-2006, 08:55 PM
I think the best thing about Punk is that he seems genuine and real, when he's on screen it seems like he's being himself completely.
I find a lot of wrestlers personas to be so fake and contrived that i just can't buy into them.
With Punk it's different, he's believable that's why it think the fans have taken to him so quickly.
Mr. Perfect
22-09-2006, 09:08 PM
CM Punk is the most over Extremist on the ECW roster, what i think WWE should do i bring back the TV Title, have a good ol' Tourney for it, have Punk win it, have a kick ass reign, lose it (in a Triple Threat, Punk doesnt get pinned, to preserve his winning streak) and move him on up tp the ECW World Title, i just hope and pray Vince doesnt want Punk on RAW.
the answer to the question.....Yes, he DOES have it.
Slim Jim
22-09-2006, 09:08 PM
I'm just amazed at how over CM Punk has become so quickly. He gets one of (if not THE) biggest reactions out of anybody in ECW and he's come from nowhere. Who ever had the idea of debuting him in the Ballroom is a genius.
ThePowerIsBack
23-09-2006, 03:20 AM
Yeah, it's a true accomplishment to walk in and be cheered in the Hammerstein Ballroom.
Yes, I think he does. I have/have seen/can obtain the matches and the promos to prove it as well.
Marc McCann
23-09-2006, 12:59 PM
i can't wait for survivor series. if they do follow through with the raw vs smackdown vs ecw match, punk will have his big chance to shine. i'd love to see the reaction if he gets in there with cena.
we all know how much punk wants success and he'd go all out that night. they better put him in the ecw team, big show, sabu & rvd are certainties but they got to have punk.
show, rvd, sabu, punk vs cena, hhh, hbk, edge/orton vs batista, lashley, booker, kennedy. would be different!
Spiritchaser
24-09-2006, 10:57 AM
I like Punk whether or not he has "it" is a different thing but he reminds me of an old fashioned bone bender and he gets my vote for "Future Superstar."
Danny Styles
24-09-2006, 11:31 AM
i'd love to see the reaction if he gets in there with cena.
do it on an ECW PPV, at the Hammerstein, THAT would be good, of course there woudl be a minimum age of 16 to get into the arena to see the show just to make sure Cena doesn't get the cheers :D
Danny Styles
24-09-2006, 06:21 PM
What about the over 16's who cheer Cena? Or do they not count in the grand scheme of things?
well they would be in a minority in the hammerstein compared to the smark hero CM Punk's fans
I've seen CM Punk wrestle, and acknowledge that he is a very good wrestler. However his gimmick in ECW bores the hell out of me.
'He's straight edge, he doesn't drink, smoke or take drugs' Woopty do, what does he want, a friggin medal.
wyndorf
24-09-2006, 08:45 PM
'He's straight edge, he doesn't drink, smoke or take drugs' Woopty do, what does he want, a friggin medal.
Now imagine if Kurt Angle was still around and he cut that promo. That would be awesome!
Al Stevens
24-09-2006, 08:49 PM
I've seen CM Punk wrestle, and acknowledge that he is a very good wrestler. However his gimmick in ECW bores the hell out of me.
'He's straight edge, he doesn't drink, smoke or take drugs' Woopty do, what does he want, a friggin medal.
Being fair what would you rather have a Straght edge gimmick or something like a torrets suffering milkman someone who cross dresses?
Mr. Perfect
24-09-2006, 08:49 PM
'He's straight edge, he doesn't drink, smoke or take drugs' Woopty do, what does he want, a friggin medal.
What is this world coming to, nowadays you get Mocked for looking after yourself.
His gimmick's too fan friendly..he needs to darken it down a bit and cut intense promo's like he used to in ROH.
Being fair what would you rather have a Straght edge gimmick or something like a torrets suffering milkman someone who cross dresses?
A Torrets suffering milkman and a cross dresser everytime, at least their gimmicks would be somewhat entertaining. Punk's is just so boring, there's no charisma, no flair, no intensity. He just doesn't do anything for me.
Mr. Perfect
24-09-2006, 09:00 PM
Punk's is just so boring, there's no charisma, no flair, no intensity. He just doesn't do anything for me.
Are we watching the same person? Punk is a great talent and aslong as Vince keeps his grabby mits of him and keeps him in ECW & not snatching him to RAW i'll put money on Punk being the ECW Champion by mid 2007, do you realise how over he is?
Yeah I said he's a good wrestler, and I know how over he is, but he still does nothing for me.
Mr. Perfect
24-09-2006, 09:05 PM
Yeah I said he's a good wrestler, and I know how over he is, but he still does nothing for me.
Thats fair enough, surpose every wrestler has to have their haters :P
Good2Go has stated that he likes the Punkster, just is not a fan of his gimmick.
Should of stuck with CM Capone if you ask me.
I've not liked Punk in ECW so far. His matches are far too contrived for my liking - Especially his piss poor strikes. Like, say, Chris Hero, it is painfully obvious his matches are scripted. It's just "move, move, move" - It's a shame he's like this now, as he can be so much better. His gimmick is a very, very watered down version of his work on the indies. It's like someone behind the scenes has found out about what his gimmick was and given him a couple of written promos, without seeing his what his character was like before. At the moment, there is no, excuse the pun, edge to his character. It's bland.
Still, my only faults are due to the way he is being made to look. Once he gets chance to work a match how he wants to, and cut his own promos, I expect him to shine once again. Does he have "it"? Yeah, I think so. At the moment however, he doesn't.
Drake
24-09-2006, 10:47 PM
I've not liked Punk in ECW so far. His matches are far too contrived for my liking - Especially his piss poor strikes. Like, say, Chris Hero, it is painfully obvious his matches are scripted. It's just "move, move, move" - It's a shame he's like this now, as he can be so much better. His gimmick is a very, very watered down version of his work on the indies. It's like someone behind the scenes has found out about what his gimmick was and given him a couple of written promos, without seeing his what his character was like before. At the moment, there is no, excuse the pun, edge to his character. It's bland.
That's because he's now working the "WWE style", so thank Vince and the WWE for that.
True, in WWECW Punk hasn't really been the same as I've seen him in the indies. That doesn't mean he doesn't have "it". That just means he hasn't been able to show "it" off. It's still there. His delivery in his promos is excellent, wheether he's working a believable shoot-styler speach, or covered in blood screaming at the camera, he always seems real, and natural. In the ring he can work a match, and his strikes are believable. I haven't sees him "waiting for the next spot" or anything.
But hey, take my opinion for what it's worth. After all, I think Randy Orton has "it".
Mr. Perfect
24-09-2006, 11:53 PM
That's because he's now working the "WWE style", so thank Vince and the WWE for that.
IMO Punk has been given a bit of leeway (sp) with the WWE Style, he's certainly stretched it.
He confronted Shannon Moore a few weeks ago, and all he had to say was 'You're a poser'. No s*** sherlock, thanks for that rather interesting and astute observation. Extra brownie point for him.
Wow we certainly have a renegade Good2Go on our hands this evening.
Sorry Folks, I think I'll leave it there in this thread. :xyx
No i like this new attitude, not seen this heel turn coming at all.
Now imagine if Kurt Angle was still around and he cut that promo. That would be awesome!That would be awesome.
"You want a medal?....You want to be given a medal?"
*Punk just stares*
"I won these bad boys.....and with a *crowd chant along* BROKEN FREAKIN' NECK!"
The Joker
25-09-2006, 02:20 AM
That would be awesome.
"You want a medal?....You want to be given a medal?"
*Punk just stares*
"I won these bad boys.....and with a *crowd chant along* BROKEN FREAKIN' NECK!"
You know Angle too well.
But anyway, back to the subject of this thead. CM Punk, in my opinion has "it". Because I enjoy watching him wrestle, Dont ask me to explain, because i dont actually know, I just tend to watch more of a match when hes in it. Which hasnt been the case for many new WWE/ECW Superstars. Which is an utter disappoinment really. They are carrying WWE/ECW in this new generation, and it hasnt been a total success. They need a totally awesome story line to hit WWE/ECW. To turn it around and make it better. If thats the case, they seriously need to start with SmackDown!. :thumbsup
Drake
25-09-2006, 02:52 AM
For a minute I thought this thread was about CM Punk. Silly me.
SuperKick Kid
30-09-2006, 08:39 AM
I dont find Punk bland at all. He has a sort of aura about him. In my opinion, this guy has "it."
And I believe that Vince knows this and has some big plans in store for Punk's future.
He needs more time for his promos but he's working with what he's got.
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