JBL thread 16890678631 Oh, and Warrior too.

[Darkstar]

Credit to PW Torch coverage of WWE Byte This:

Todd Grisham asks the Texan what he thinks about the Ultimate Warrior. “He’s a piece of crap,” he shoots. “He’s an unadulterated piece of crap. Ultimate Warrior couldn’t make it nowadays. He was surrounded by talent. He was hidden in the fact that he couldn’t wrestle. He couldn’t do an interview. He came along at the right place at the right time. Ultimate Warrior couldn’t make it through the curtain nowadays. I’ve never have a problem with the Ultimate Warrior. I knew him when he was here, he was a bit of an odd guy, but to call Droz a cripple – Droz, he’s just a good human being that I hope gets out of that wheelchair one day and I’ll be one of the first ones to take him hunting – to call Droz a cripple, that shows me that the Ultimate Warrior is an absolute piece of ****. Can’t stand the son of a bitch. To do something like that for absolutely no reason is completely inexcusable. I have no feelings but hate toward the Ultimate Warrior. I think that is absolutely disgusting. You’ve got a problem with Vince McMahon, say something to Vince McMahon. I was on the road when he no showed all those events, that’s the last reason he got fired. He chose to no-show the events. He broke his contract, to say anything else, he’s a liar, if he says anything else. And to say something about Droz, to me it’s pathetic. You know, you had your little career, you had your fifteen minutes in the sun, you don’t get sixteen minutes. Go back to your little Warrior cave or whatever you want to do – the idiot actually changed his legal name to the Warrior. It shows you how stupid this guy is. It’s pathetic.”


Ummm, I never expected to agree with JBL on anything but this time he seems to have hit it on the head. Sorry Capt.

[DOB]

Well done to JBL,Jim Hellwig is,was and always will be an asshole who has his head so far up his own ass it's unbelievable.

[Dan]

Have to agree with every word JBL said with regard to Warrior.

[Mr. Perfect]

Well done to JBL,Jim Hellwig is,was and always will be an asshole who has his head so far up his own ass it's unbelievable.

who's Jim Hellwig? he LEGALLY changed his name to Jim Warrior in 1993.

[Edgehead]

Much respect to JBL on that one :xyx
He told it like it is there

[Hoffmeister]

Thats why JBL is a legend!

[Darkstar]

who's Jim Hellwig? he LEGALLY changed his name to Jim Warrior in 1993.


I thought he changed it to just Warrior!

[Mr. Perfect]

I thought he changed it to just Warrior!

now that would of been silly :lol

[Darkstar]

now that would of been silly :lol

Wouldnt it just! :D Doesnt mean he didnt! :P

[Mr. Perfect]

Wouldnt it just! :D Doesnt mean he didnt! :P

no i think it was just his second name he changed to Warrior leaving it "Jim Warrior" to keep up his gimmick. :lol

[1SinN6]

Nice one...

just finished watching the Ultimate Warrior DVD, wasnt pretty.

i agree with JBL on THIS one

Welcome to Warrior Web. The official web presence of the man who Created, Performed and OWNS The Ultimate Warrior. I am that man and my name is Warrior. This is my full legal name; greater explanation about this lies herein.

from his website... he's just Warrior now

[The Beltster]

“He’s a piece of crap,” he shoots. “He’s an unadulterated piece of crap. Ultimate Warrior couldn’t make it nowadays. He was surrounded by talent.How does he know he is a piece of crap? Because he called Droz a cripple? Big f'n deal, he IS a cripple!

Warrior couldnt make it now? Why? If the UW came in now with his look and entrance, he would automatically be over, his promos were great regardless of what people say about them being hard to understand (which they actually werent!). Sure, he had talent around him, but so what, his matches were still Warrior matches even with that talent, and he was one of the top two most over guys, so that comment by JBL is worthless.

He was hidden in the fact that he couldn’t wrestle. He couldn’t do an interview. He came along at the right place at the right time. Ultimate Warrior couldn’t make it through the curtain nowadays.No, it WASNT hidden that he couldnt wrestle, EVERYBODY who isnt blind always knew he couldnt wrestle, and its not his damn gimmick to wrestle anyways. I suppose JBL can wrestle can he?! LMAO! He is a crap in-ring talent. Pot + Kettle = Black.

As for the right place, right time comment, thats true, but then ALL the guys who have become huge stars came along at the right time and the right place!

I’ve never have a problem with the Ultimate Warrior. I knew him when he was here, he was a bit of an odd guy, but to call Droz a cripple – Droz, he’s just a good human being that I hope gets out of that wheelchair one day and I’ll be one of the first ones to take him hunting – to call Droz a cripple, that shows me that the Ultimate Warrior is an absolute piece of ****. Can’t stand the son of a bitch. To do something like that for absolutely no reason is completely inexcusable. I have no feelings but hate toward the Ultimate Warrior. I think that is absolutely disgusting.Oh come on! Droz is a cripple, sure its not PC to say it, but tough sh*t, people need to grow a thicker skin! JBL is a racist and has ripped on all different races and religions of people in an un-PC way, and thats fine. But calling Droz, who IS a cripple, just that, is disgusting? PLEASE! Get real. JBL Goose stepped around the ring in Germany, he soaped up a rookie in the showers and threatened to anally rape him...wow, that JBL, what a great pillar of the community and all round great human being. :roll

You've got a problem with Vince McMahon, say something to Vince McMahon.Ummm...he did...many times. He sued him and won, I dont think Warrior has any issues with calling out Vince McMahon.

I was on the road when he no showed all those events, that’s the last reason he got fired. He chose to no-show the events. He broke his contract, to say anything else, he’s a liar, if he says anything else.

You had your little career, you had your fifteen minutes in the sun, you don’t get sixteen minutes. Go back to your little Warrior cave or whatever you want to do."Little career"? "Fifteen minutes of fame"? :lol :roll Oh dear. Believe me, the Ultimate Warrior will be remembered forever, he is still being talked about 15 years after WM6 and almost 10 years after he left the WWF. WWE are the ones bringing him up time and time again and selling merchandise of him, and making tons of money off of the NUMBER ONE SELLING DVD currently available from WWE...yeah, some flash in the pan he was! That "little career" will forever be remembered as one of the most memorable EVER, I highly doubt anybody will give to sh*ts about JBL in 5 years, much less 15. Hell, not many people give a toss about him now!

the idiot actually changed his legal name to the Warrior. It shows you how stupid this guy is. It’s pathetic.” People change their name to things all the time. Its certainly out of the ordinary, but people have their reasons.

[Big Slow]

see JBL may be racist. But JBL is a character not a man. Ultimate Warrior called Droz a cripple from his heart, not because of his gimmick.

[Mr. Perfect]

Because he called Droz a cripple? Big f'n deal, he IS a cripple!

no Droz is Disabled not a Cripple.

[Darkstar]

no Droz is Disabled not a Cripple.


Difference is?? really, Im interested to know.

[Cartrouble kid]

No, it WASNT hidden that he couldnt wrestle, EVERYBODY who isnt blind always knew he couldnt wrestle, and its not his damn gimmick to wrestle anyways. I suppose JBL can wrestle can he?! LMAO! He is a crap in-ring talent. Pot + Kettle = Black.

Yup, but I think the 'surrounded by talent' remark is probably the biggest pot/kettle/black thing in his rant though. I mean, I don't think people are actually interested in JBL as a character at all really. He's one of the few heavyweight champions in history to cause the rating to slump with his segments. Wheras, of course, Warrior would usually be the most hotly anticipated part of the shows he was involved with (his debut on Nitro spiked the rating nicely for instance)...

[Mr. Perfect]

Difference is?? really, Im interested to know.

there isnt i was just putting it in a nicer way.

[Darkstar]

there isnt i was just putting it in a nicer way.

meh, PC sucks by the by.

[The Beltster]

see JBL may be racist. But JBL is a character not a man. Ultimate Warrior called Droz a cripple from his heart, not because of his gimmick.JBL has made racist comments OUT OF CHARACTER aswell, dont kid yourself.

no Droz is Disabled not a Cripple.He is crippled, your simply saying that in a PC way.

Warriors debut on Nitro spiked the rating nicely for instanceVery true, and Gene Okerlund, on the WWE Warrior DVD, totally lied through his teeth and said the ratings tanked for Warriors debut. If I'm not mistaken, its one of the, if not THE highest rated Nitro segment ever.

[1SinN6]

didnt Gene say the ratings dropped because of his long promo.. well speech

[Drake]

I think what Gene said, that after he debuted and started rambling the same thigns, during that period the rating plumbed not during the entrance.

That's just what I understood.

[1SinN6]

wich is totally believable

[Champy]

for once i agree with JBL!

why is warrior attacking droz??

yer he's crippled.. everyone knew that.. no need to point it out.. it's sad that he has to revert to attacking a man you literally paralyzed himself for the buisness

[Cartrouble kid]

wich is totally believable
Believable, but wrong...

The rating tumbled AFTER the segment ended, because it was followed by the nitro girls and a promo for the WCW/NWO magazine. Then, the following encounter between Hennig vs Malenko was interrupted by an ad-break as soon as the bell rang to signal the start of the match!

Remember, WWF had really hit their stride by then, with Austin firing on all cylinders and the whole Monday Night War buzz in general. Also, that particular evening's Raw had things like DX vs the Nation on the card-- so OF COURSE people are going to switch over to that show when WCW cuts to the nitro girls, a magazine promo and then a frigging Ad-break!

[1SinN6]

ah I didnt know.

the following encounter between Hennig vs Malenko was interrupted by an ad-break as soon as the bell rang to signal the start of the match!

haah thats ace... god i miss WCW ;) :devil

[Kaedon]

How does he know he is a piece of crap? Because he called Droz a cripple? Big f'n deal, he IS a cripple!

This is all about the use of language. Douchebag Warrior chose to use a word that now has a hurtful connotation. Sure it may have been acceptable a while ago, but so was using the word _____ to to refer to a black man. So get off that.


Warrior couldnt make it now? Why? If the UW came in now with his look and entrance, he would automatically be over, his promos were great regardless of what people say about them being hard to understand (which they actually werent!). Sure, he had talent around him, but so what, his matches were still Warrior matches even with that talent, and he was one of the top two most over guys, so that comment by JBL is worthless.

If the warrior came out now, he would suck, and here's why. His promos were very generic with psudo-intillectual drivel thrown in. His ring style is what most people today rip on as "generic big man". Essentially, he's like Heidenreich, but shorter.


No, it WASNT hidden that he couldnt wrestle, EVERYBODY who isnt blind always knew he couldnt wrestle, and its not his damn gimmick to wrestle anyways. I suppose JBL can wrestle can he?! LMAO! He is a crap in-ring talent. Pot + Kettle = Black.

I will agree with you here. JBL cant wrestle any better or worse than the Warrior. I believe the term you want though is "Pot calling the kettle black." :xyx


As for the right place, right time comment, thats true, but then ALL the guys who have become huge stars came along at the right time and the right place!

What JBL means is that some guys gimmicks are timely, and some are just good and evolve and last. Hogan, HBK, Macho Man, Ric Flair, Stone Cold, all of these people have characters who evolve. Warrior was the same superhero gimmick over and over again. No change.


Oh come on! Droz is a cripple, sure its not PC to say it, but tough sh*t, people need to grow a thicker skin! JBL is a racist and has ripped on all different races and religions of people in an un-PC way, and thats fine. But calling Droz, who IS a cripple, just that, is disgusting? PLEASE! Get real. JBL Goose stepped around the ring in Germany, he soaped up a rookie in the showers and threatened to anally rape him...wow, that JBL, what a great pillar of the community and all round great human being. :roll


In charater, yes. But he never called anyone a Spick, a Nigger or anything like that.


Ummm...he did...many times. He sued him and won, I dont think Warrior has any issues with calling out Vince McMahon.


I think JBL means in a fist fight...



"Little career"? "Fifteen minutes of fame"? :lol :roll Oh dear. Believe me, the Ultimate Warrior will be remembered forever, he is still being talked about 15 years after WM6 and almost 10 years after he left the WWF. WWE are the ones bringing him up time and time again and selling merchandise of him, and making tons of money off of the NUMBER ONE SELLING DVD currently available from WWE...yeah, some flash in the pan he was! That "little career" will forever be remembered as one of the most memorable EVER, I highly doubt anybody will give to sh*ts about JBL in 5 years, much less 15. Hell, not many people give a toss about him now!

JBL was the longest reigning WWE champion in a long time. Longer than the Warrior, and he had some sickly good matches for someone with his lack of in ring ability. The difference between JBL and the Warrior is that the WWE could have had anyone say the same crap Warrior said, run out like a moron with rubber bands on his arm, and the fans would have ate it up, but JBL is a Texan, is a Republican, is a rich man who plays the stock market. People like the WWE's gimmicks now becaust there is a degree of reality in them. There was nothing real about the Warrior.



People change their name to things all the time. Its certainly out of the ordinary, but people have their reasons.

Yes, in this case, he's living in the past when he actually was somebeody. Did
Macho Man, Stone Cold, Hulk Hogan, DDP, Sting, Razor Ramon, Diesel, Kane, Undertaker, HHH, or Big Show change their names? No, because they arent R-Tards.

[The Beltster]

This is all about the use of language. Douchebag Warrior chose to use a word that now has a hurtful connotation. Sure it may have been acceptable a while ago, but so was using the word _____ to to refer to a black man. So get off that.The word _____ is a racial slur, created by whites and used to insult and demean black people by white people in the past, "cripple" is in NO WAY a slur, created by anybody to demean anybody else, so get real. Cripple isnt insulting, the man IS a cripple!

But tell me, how come its so bad for Warrior to call a crippled man a cripple yet its ok for YOU to call people retards (or R-Tards)?

If the warrior came out now, he would suck, and here's why. His promos were very generic with psudo-intillectual drivel thrown in. His ring style is what most people today rip on as "generic big man". Essentially, he's like Heidenreich, but shorter.To call the Warriors promos "generic" is ludicrous, at best. Do you even know what generic means? If you do, then you wouldnt be calling his promos generic. As for having psudo-intellectual drivel thrown in, thats rubbish. He used alot of symbolism, but it all made perfect sense and added to the character he portrayed.

As for his style, it was alot more high octane than anything Heidenreich does, it was exciting and he worked the crowd well too, which talent today doesnt do.

I will agree with you here. JBL cant wrestle any better or worse than the Warrior. I believe the term you want though is "Pot calling the kettle black." :xyx You believe wrong, I used the term I was looking for thanks. Have you never seen the .gif? I was imitating that.

What JBL means is that some guys gimmicks are timely, and some are just good and evolve and last. Hogan, HBK, Macho Man, Ric Flair, Stone Cold, all of these people have characters who evolve. Warrior was the same superhero gimmick over and over again. No change.No he didnt, what he meant was Warrior came along at the right time and place to be a success, and if he came along at any other time he wouldnt have been. You dont need to make up anything here mate, he said EXACTLY what he meant, he didnt mean anything other than that, if he did, he would have said something else!

Warrior did evolve. In the WWF in 1996 and in WCW in 1998, he was totally different, character-wise from his hugely successful period in 1987 - 1991 and his other comeback in 1992. It was that evolution of his character which hurt him, he should have simply stayed the same as he was during his initial run and he would have been better off.

In charater, yes. But he never called anyone a Spick, a Nigger or anything like that.The Warrior didnt either, he called a cripple a cripple, the way people overreact these days makes me laugh, your way too politically correct, even though the word cripple isnt on the level of racial slurs that you mentioned, not even close.

And JBL has also spoke out against other races on radio shows and in magazines, not in character.

I think JBL means in a fist fight...No, I doubt it. He was talking about Warrior verbally insulting Droz, not physically attacking him, so he meant verbally. Plus, why would he make out Warrior was worried about confronting Vince physically? Warrior would hammer Vince!

JBL was the longest reigning WWE champion in a long time. Longer than the Warrior, and he had some sickly good matches for someone with his lack of in ring ability. The difference between JBL and the Warrior is that the WWE could have had anyone say the same crap Warrior said, run out like a moron with rubber bands on his arm, and the fans would have ate it up, but JBL is a Texan, is a Republican, is a rich man who plays the stock market. People like the WWE's gimmicks now becaust there is a degree of reality in them. There was nothing real about the Warrior.Warrior held the WWF title from April 1 1990 until January 19, 1991. Thats just under 10 months. JBL won the title on June 27 and held it until April 3, thats just over 9 months. So that WAS longer than JBL's run by a couple weeks, you should research before you comment. He also has 2 WWF IC title runs which lasted a combined 19 months...added to this he wrestled some of the biggest stars ever and pinned Hulk Hogan clean to win his title, and his run means ALOT more than JBL's and is 100 times more memorable.

As for saying WWE could have had anybody run out as Warrior, yeah thats true, doesnt mean they could have played the part as well as Jim Hellwig did. WWE could have ANYBODY play the part of ANYBODY, doesnt mean they will play it as well as the person who did. Come on!

Yes, in this case, he's living in the past when he actually was somebeody. Did
Macho Man, Stone Cold, Hulk Hogan, DDP, Sting, Razor Ramon, Diesel, Kane, Undertaker, HHH, or Big Show change their names? No, because they arent R-Tards.No they didnt, but because Warrior did, why does that make him a "R-Tard"? He had a good reason, in his opinion, to change it. There is nothing "retarded" about it, at all.

[Ed_666]

no Droz is Disabled not a Cripple.

Personally to me, the word "cripple" refers to someone with some sort of genetic disorder or birth defect which affects their legs, like polio or something.

Droz might be disabled but that doesn't really make any difference, the important thing was the context Warrior used it in. I've not seen it, but if he'd said "Droz was a great performer, it's such a shame he's a cripple now", that's totally different from him saying "Droz is a stupid idiotic cripple who doesn't know his ass from a blueberry".

And as for Warrior getting over nowadays, is everyone joking? Talented wrestlers with great mic skills like HHH, JBL, etc get ripped to pieces on the net, how do you really think someone with no mic skills and not much wrestling ability would fare?

People like Morgan, Heidenreich, Masters etc are much better wrestlers than Warrior was, and they're reviled as the worst thing of all time. Warrior was only over because he physique and intensity made him unique. Nowadays he'd look kind of small next to Masters, and would have less ability and no mic skills. Do you really think he'd get anywhere?

Ed

[Prototype]

With the greatest of respect Captain, I think you are allowing your blatant bias toward Warrior to interfere with your judgement. If a member of your family was disabled and had to use a wheelchair for the foreseeable future, would you still be so forgiving to someone who called that family member a cripple? I don't think so. I know I wouldn't and I think that Warrior should learn when to shut up and say nothing. If he wants to have a pop at someone, put it in an intelligent way and not resort to namecalling. Unless of course Warrior is 12 yrs old and still in the playground. Which I know he isn't, so be a man, debate the points without the namecalling, and respect a guys disability. Droz is a good man who severely injured himself for the sake of the business and Warrior should see that too, make a public apology for what he said and then let sleeping dogs lie.

[The Beltster]

With the greatest of respect Captain, I think you are allowing your blatant bias toward Warrior to interfere with your judgement.Its not a case of bias, because if ANYBODY said it, I say the same thing. I dont think calling a crippled person "a cripple" is as bad as people are making out, at all. Yes, I understand the context he used it in and yes, I know there are better words he could have chosen, if he wanted to play the PC game, but calling Droz a cripple is no different than calling an overweight person "fat" which people say every single day. No different at all.

If a member of your family was disabled and had to use a wheelchair for the foreseeable future, would you still be so forgiving to someone who called that family member a cripple? I don't think so. I know I wouldn't and I think that Warrior should learn when to shut up and say nothing.No, I wouldnt like it, but I also wouldnt like it if a member of my family has zits and somebody called them pizza face, its no different, its insulting yes, but its not as bad as people are making out, almost falling over themselves in shock, its such an over-reaction from people, IMO.

If he wants to have a pop at someone, put it in an intelligent way and not resort to namecalling. Unless of course Warrior is 12 yrs old and still in the playground. Which I know he isn't, so be a man, debate the points without the namecalling, and respect a guys disability.Oh come on, your trying to tell me you havent resorted to name calling in a moment of rage since the day you left school? We ALL have, Warrior is only human and lets put this in perspective here shall we: He worked hard to create a character and a persona that was a success, after choosing to be his own man and not bow down to Vince McMahon when he felt he was in the wrong, Vince and his company have buried the Warrior time and time and time again. Now, out of nowhere and for no good reason other than to open a can or worms, they release a DVD specifically to crap all over Warrior, his career, his contributions to wrestling and himself as a person aswell, how would YOU feel if it were YOU? A little pissed off, I'm sure. Then WWE baited him by offering him a forum to talk about it on WWE.com, KNOWING full well he wouldnt and knowing they were doing it to get a reaction out of Warrior knowing he isnt a man who minces his words.

They played it perfectly and got the reaction they wanted, WWE didnt give a rats ass about Droz or anybody else Warrior might have insulted after being baited and blasted over and over again.

Like I said, he is only human and the guy has a temper when people are pushing him, I dont blame him whatsoever for his reaction or what he said, it could have been alot worse.

Droz is a good man who severely injured himself for the sake of the business and Warrior should see that too, make a public apology for what he said and then let sleeping dogs lie.He didnt injure himself for the sake of the business, he got dropped on his neck and he is now a cripple, your putting it in a way as if he did it for the love of wrestling and would do it again. He got dropped by accident and broke his neck.

Warrior should make a public appology for calling him what he is? Why? How is calling Droz a cripple any different than 20 people on a DVD calling Warrior a worthless mentally inept idiot? Its not, at least not from where I sit.

[Kaedon]

The word _____ is a racial slur, created by whites and used to insult and demean black people by white people in the past, "cripple" is in NO WAY a slur, created by anybody to demean anybody else, so get real. Cripple isnt insulting, the man IS a cripple!

That doesnt change the fact that Mr. Hellwig used it in a manner to hurt Droz because he felt insulted.


But tell me, how come its so bad for Warrior to call a crippled man a cripple yet its ok for YOU to call people retards (or R-Tards)?

I'll use your own statement here and say "Thats what the warrior is, he IS an R-Tard" See how dumb that sounds?


To call the Warriors promos "generic" is ludicrous, at best. Do you even know what generic means? If you do, then you wouldnt be calling his promos generic. As for having psudo-intellectual drivel thrown in, thats rubbish. He used alot of symbolism, but it all made perfect sense and added to the character he portrayed.

His promos were saying the exact same thing every other big mans were saying then, "I will beat you because I'm bigger, badder, and better" He just used that crap you consider "imagery" I bet you think Raven cuts "smart" promos too dont you? They are both nothing more than a guy up there, using big words trying to make dumb wrestling fans make them think they are smart.


As for his style, it was alot more high octane than anything Heidenreich does, it was exciting and he worked the crowd well too, which talent today doesnt do.

Ok, so if Heidenreich sprinted to the ring, that would make him the Warrior then. Because in the ring, he was slow, clumsy and downright awful, just like Heidenreich.


You believe wrong, I used the term I was looking for thanks. Have you never seen the .gif? I was imitating that.

No I havent, but from your description, it makes no sense.


No he didnt, what he meant was Warrior came along at the right time and place to be a success, and if he came along at any other time he wouldnt have been.

From Dictionary.com

Timeliness:
Occurring at a suitable or opportune time; well-timed.

Thank you for agreeing with me




Warrior did evolve. In the WWF in 1996 and in WCW in 1998, he was totally different, character-wise from his hugely successful period in 1987 - 1991 and his other comeback in 1992. It was that evolution of his character which hurt him, he should have simply stayed the same as he was during his initial run and he would have been better off.


Other than his hair length, the color of this facepaint, and the coat he would sometimes wear, he never changed a thing. His promos were always the same, his in ring work was always the same. Bad.



The Warrior didnt either


I never said he did.....



he called a cripple a cripple, the way people overreact these days makes me laugh, your way too politically correct, even though the word cripple isnt on the level of racial slurs that you mentioned, not even close.


Once again, you fail to realize that words are neutral, it is the intent behind them that is the problem. He intended the word "cripple" to hurt Droz. That is the problem. You are not realizing this....



And JBL has also spoke out against other races on radio shows and in magazines, not in character.


Where has he "spoke out against races", id love to see this.....




No, I doubt it. He was talking about Warrior verbally insulting Droz, not physically attacking him, so he meant verbally. Plus, why would he make out Warrior was worried about confronting Vince physically? Warrior would hammer Vince!


Duh, no crap he would, but JBL is saying Warrior doesnt have the sack to try. All Warrior can do is wine behind his keyboard. Oh how the mighty have fallen....



Warrior held the WWF title from April 1 1990 until January 19, 1991. Thats just under 10 months. JBL won the title on June 27 and held it until April 3, thats just over 9 months. So that WAS longer than JBL's run by a couple weeks, you should research before you comment. He also has 2 WWF IC title runs which lasted a combined 19 months...added to this he wrestled some of the biggest stars ever and pinned Hulk Hogan clean to win his title, and his run means ALOT more than JBL's and is 100 times more memorable.


Im sorry, I was off by a few weeks, excuse me. However what makes Warriors reign more memorable? He had one big match, and that was when he won the damn thing. Nothing was special about the way he ran through opponent after opponent all year. JBL, however, managed to eek out a win in some damn creative ways. Thats why heel champions, at least IMO, are better than face ones, because they sometimes find such creative ways to win as opposed to "Gorilla press slam, splash, 1/2/3". Yeah, thats so memorable...




As for saying WWE could have had anybody run out as Warrior, yeah thats true, doesnt mean they could have played the part as well as Jim Hellwig did. WWE could have ANYBODY play the part of ANYBODY, doesnt mean they will play it as well as the person who did. Come on!


You totally missed my point. But you kind of admitted it. While Mr. Hellwig did have some charisma, all the WWE needed was another charismatic guy to sprint to the ring and spout psuedo-intillectual nonsense to make the fans think he is "deep"



No they didnt, but because Warrior did, why does that make him a "R-Tard"? He had a good reason, in his opinion, to change it. There is nothing "retarded" about it, at all.

The Warrior is trying to live in character. He has, as far as I can see, lost some distiction between reality and fantasy. I can just see him sitting in the living room, watching the news or something in full face paint and tights. He's lost it, and that is very apparent. Its either that, or he is just being a pretentious asshole who believes his own hype. THats why I called him an R-Tard.

[The Beltster]

That doesnt change the fact that Mr. Hellwig used it in a manner to hurt Droz because he felt insulted.Makes no difference, I use the word "idiot" in an insulting term as I'm sure you and everybody else does. Still doesnt put it on the level your making out, racial slurs etc.

I'll use your own statement here and say "Thats what the warrior is, he IS an R-Tard" See how dumb that sounds?Yes, that does sound dumb, because you make ZERO sense. Droz IS a cripple, Warrior isnt retarded. So, your using it in the complete wrong context and your doing exactly what your blasting Warrior for. That officially makes you a hypocrit.

His promos were saying the exact same thing every other big mans were saying then, "I will beat you because I'm bigger, badder, and better" He just used that crap you consider "imagery" I bet you think Raven cuts "smart" promos too dont you? They are both nothing more than a guy up there, using big words trying to make dumb wrestling fans make them think they are smart.No, they werent. Your so way off its not even funny. He wasnt saying "I'll beat you because I'm bigger and badder", what the hell are you talking about?!

Warrior used symbolism and created his own little world which worked perfectly in sinch with his character, to say he (or Raven) cut generic promos shows me your totally clueless.

Ok, so if Heidenreich sprinted to the ring, that would make him the Warrior then. Because in the ring, he was slow, clumsy and downright awful, just like Heidenreich.Warrior was slow in the ring? Wrong. He was high octane the entire match, most of the time. And no, Heidenreich running to the ring wouldnt make him Warrior, those are you worthless words, not mine. Like I said already, which you cant seem to comprehend: ANYBODY can play the part of somebody else, doesnt mean they will play it well. Heidenreich could imitate the Warrior, just as the Renegade did, still wouldnt be as good.

No I havent, but from your description, it makes no sense.Makes sense to me and it obviously made sense to you because you knew exactly what I meant, stop nit picking to try and make yourself seem clever.

From Dictionary.com

Timeliness:
Occurring at a suitable or opportune time; well-timed.

Thank you for agreeing with meI didnt agree with you, I just totally proved you wrong! I said what your little dictionary description stated, you said something completely different! Thank YOU for proving me right.

Other than his hair length, the color of this facepaint, and the coat he would sometimes wear, he never changed a thing. His promos were always the same, his in ring work was always the same. Bad.Sorry but, of course, your wrong. His promos before were loud, entertaining, wild and enthusiastic when he was at his peek. In his last WWF run and WCW run, his promos were more long winded, he spoke in a softer, less intense way with alot less shouting. It was completely different, his character was different. As a Warrior fan, I would notice, dont you think? As a Warrior basher/hater/detractor, you wouldnt because you arent interested and automatically think "Same old shite!"

I never said he did.....Good

Once again, you fail to realize that words are neutral, it is the intent behind them that is the problem. He intended the word "cripple" to hurt Droz. That is the problem. You are not realizing this....Yes, I AM realising this. I have already stated that I understand the context Warrior used the word in, but its still no different than calling an overweight person "fat" or a person with acne "spotty", they might not be the PC terms, but they arent going to cause the end of the world and people say them every single day, you included I'm sure, just as you used the word "R-Tard". Is calling somebody a retard PC? I dont think so, so what makes you think you can say that yet blast Warrior for calling somebody a cripple?

Where has he "spoke out against races", id love to see this.....He has said it in print and on the radio, dont expect me to go thumbing through lots of old magazines to try and get you exact dates, and if you choose not to believe it because I cannot show proof at this very minute then fine, but he has regardless.

Duh, no crap he would, but JBL is saying Warrior doesnt have the sack to try. All Warrior can do is wine behind his keyboard. Oh how the mighty have fallen....Duh, he took him to court and sued him, thats not hiding behind anything, and when Vince walked up to shake his hand at the end, Warrior refused to shake his hand, looked him in the eyes and told him "I have been disrespected enough, I wont be again". So if you really think Warrior is intimidated by Vince, your crazy. As for not having the sack, thats a stupid thing to say, do you really think Warrior would risk a lawsuit by physically assaulting Vince? Get real!

Im sorry, I was off by a few weeks, excuse me. However what makes Warriors reign more memorable? He had one big match, and that was when he won the damn thing. Nothing was special about the way he ran through opponent after opponent all year. JBL, however, managed to eek out a win in some damn creative ways. Thats why heel champions, at least IMO, are better than face ones, because they sometimes find such creative ways to win as opposed to "Gorilla press slam, splash, 1/2/3". Yeah, thats so memorable...Off the mark by 2 second, a few weeks or 20 years all amounts to the same thing: You were wrong. If you dont know the facts, dont make assumptions. As for what makes Warriors run more memorable, well he won it from Hulk Hogan, in his prime, at the main event of WrestleMania in one of THE most memorable matches ever. He went on to feud with Rick Rude all over TV capped off with another hugely memorable match in the main event of SummerSlam inside a cage. He then went on to tag with Hulk Hogan and survive the Grand Finale match of Survival at Survivor Series. All the while he was feuding on TV with Ted DiBiase and Randy Savage in memorable matches and angles. What did JBL do? Won in a stupid way vs Eddie Guererro....he beat Big Show and Booker T aswell as the Undertaker in crappy matches hardly anybody remembers or gives a crap about. He was the champion on the B-show that hardly anybody watches or cares about, he was one of the single lowest drawing champions EVER because, surprise surprise, NOBODY CARED!

And add to this the fact people are still talking about Warrior 15 years after he won the title and 14 years after his full time run as a wrestler ended...lets see if people are talking about JBL in 15 years and lets see if a JBL DVD is the hottest selling item in 15 years. I'll bet you £10,000 right now the answer is no on both counts. Why? Because Warrior was more memorable.

You totally missed my point. But you kind of admitted it. While Mr. Hellwig did have some charisma, all the WWE needed was another charismatic guy to sprint to the ring and spout psuedo-intillectual nonsense to make the fans think he is "deep"If thats the case, then why didnt they? I'll tell you why, because Jim Hellwig was the right man and the ONLY man to play that character. Your acting as if they could put a yellow and red shirt on any charismatic guy tomorrow and have the new Hulk Hogan complete with huge drawing power, popularity and so on and have him carry the company into the next decade! Its nonsensical!

The Warrior is trying to live in character. He has, as far as I can see, lost some distiction between reality and fantasy. I can just see him sitting in the living room, watching the news or something in full face paint and tights. He's lost it, and that is very apparent. Its either that, or he is just being a pretentious asshole who believes his own hype. THats why I called him an R-Tard.Your making assumptions again, and rediculous ones at that. Have you ever taken the time to contact him and get to know him? Obviously not. I have and he is far from having "lost it". Your just buying into the same old crap that everybody else does without bothering to actually research it yourself.

And please, dont make excuses for you calling him an R-Tard, because you calling him that is no different than him calling Droz a cripple, barring the fact that Droz IS a cripple and Warrior ISNT retarded. Your name calling all the while blasting somebody else for doing it, and the only reason is that you dont like Warrior, face it, just admit thats it, because its extremely obvious.

[Mr. Perfect]

there's one thing i have to say about this, everyone is jumping on the WWE's band wagon that Warrior is a tosser basically, i have natrual feeling, i like Warrior, always have, always will, i like WWE, always have, always will, its just a matter of jumping on the band wagon.

[Anime_Otaku]

Difference is?? really, Im interested to know.
Difference between calling Droz Disabled and calling him a Cripple is the same as saying Booker T is black or calling him the 'n word'.

[Ed_666]

Warrior should make a public appology for calling him what he is? Why? How is calling Droz a cripple any different than 20 people on a DVD calling Warrior a worthless mentally inept idiot? Its not, at least not from where I sit.

This is a very good point. :thumbsup Both aren't very nice, though both are demonstrably provable! :lol

Ed

[Anime_Otaku]

oops quoted instead of edited

[The Beltster]

Difference between calling Droz Disabled and calling him a Cripple is the same as saying Booker T is black or calling him the 'n word'.I cannot agree with this in any way, shape or form. Calling a disabled person a cripple, if they ARE crippled, is in no way the same as calling a black person, a "ni**er", not at all. Calling a disabled person a cripple is on the level of calling an obese person "fat ass" or a person with acne "pizza face"...hell, its not even on that level, because "cripple" isnt an insult, if you ARE a cripple. Its a legit word for crippled people, it can be used in an insulting context but its not even a patch on racial or ethnic slurs, at least not in my opinion, and I honestly cannot believe anybody else would think it is either.

[Anime_Otaku]

You DO realise I am disabled? right?

[Edgehead]

I cannot agree with this in any way, shape or form. Calling a disabled person a cripple, if they ARE crippled, is in no way the same as calling a black person, a "ni**er",
The word 'cripple' is considered by most people to be a derogatory term towards disabled people and the word 'n*****' is considered to be a derogatory term towards black people.

So it is certainly the same in principle

[Anime_Otaku]

There is also the fact that at east in my case i don't mind if a good friend were to call me a cripple and I sometimes use it to refer to myself in a self depreciating way but if some i didn't know or like called me it. You'll find many young black people have the same attitude to the N word

[BRM]

I think this is a case of looking after your mates.

JBL did some work with Droz a few years back for wwe.com and as we all know Captain ChrisMa is a personal friend of of the Ultimate Warrior.

If some random guy that i did'nt know told my best mate that he was a lanky streak of piss, i'd agree with them but tell him he was out of order. I'd then demand an apology an if he would'nt give one, i'd take my boot shine it up real nice turn it sideways and stick it right up his candyass.

[Kaedon]

Makes no difference, I use the word "idiot" in an insulting term as I'm sure you and everybody else does. Still doesnt put it on the level your making out, racial slurs etc.

There is no difference because you dont seem to realize that its the intent, not anything else, behind the word. If the word is intended to hurt, not matter if its nigger or cripple, its a misuse of the word, period.


Yes, that does sound dumb, because you make ZERO sense. Droz IS a cripple, Warrior isnt retarded. So, your using it in the complete wrong context and your doing exactly what your blasting Warrior for. That officially makes you a hypocrit.

I believe someone changing their name to Warrior is retarded. To me, he is. So whats the difference? You think Droz is a cripple, others think he is handicapped.



No, they werent. Your so way off its not even funny. He wasnt saying "I'll beat you because I'm bigger and badder", what the hell are you talking about?!

Warrior used symbolism and created his own little world which worked perfectly in sinch with his character, to say he (or Raven) cut generic promos shows me your totally clueless.



Really, well...

"AHHhhhh the heavens have opened up from above and the warriors have spoken, Hercules. It's time for you to pay the price. I broke the link in the chain. The next link in the evolution of The Ultimate Warrior is for you to step into the darkness where all your instincts can't get you by.
Can you handle the ultimate challenge Hercules? The Ultimate Warrior.
You will feel the full power of the Ultimate Warrior at Wrestlemania FOURRRRR!" 2-27-88

This is a prime example. "Its time for you to pay the price", "The next link in the chain....", "Can you handle the ultimate challenge" all of these are very generic sentiments, dressed up with big words to make little kids think he is deep.






Warrior was slow in the ring? Wrong. He was high octane the entire match, most of the time.


Yeah, the 20 min of posing, walking around and that test of strength at WM 6 was VERY HIGH OCTANE!!! YEAH!!!!!




And no, Heidenreich running to the ring wouldnt make him Warrior, those are you worthless words, not mine. Like I said already, which you cant seem to comprehend: ANYBODY can play the part of somebody else, doesnt mean they will play it well. Heidenreich could imitate the Warrior, just as the Renegade did, still wouldnt be as good.


Says who? You? Since when is your opinion the end all and be all?




Makes sense to me and it obviously made sense to you because you knew exactly what I meant, stop nit picking to try and make yourself seem clever.


Quit refencing gifs that have bad slogans to make yourself seem clever....




I didnt agree with you, I just totally proved you wrong! I said what your little dictionary description stated, you said something completely different! Thank YOU for proving me right.


You are the one who said his character wasnt timely. You are all mixed up kid.





Sorry but, of course, your wrong. His promos before were loud, entertaining, wild and enthusiastic when he was at his peek. In his last WWF run and WCW run, his promos were more long winded, he spoke in a softer, less intense way with alot less shouting. It was completely different, his character was different. As a Warrior fan, I would notice, dont you think? As a Warrior basher/hater/detractor, you wouldnt because you arent interested and automatically think "Same old shite!"


Actually, from all of the promos I have seen of his, and I've seen a lot, they ran the gammit as far as voice inflection. But the overall "I use imagery and big words" feel was still there.





Yes, I AM realising this. I have already stated that I understand the context Warrior used the word in, but its still no different than calling an overweight person "fat" or a person with acne "spotty", they might not be the PC terms, but they arent going to cause the end of the world and people say them every single day, you included I'm sure, just as you used the word "R-Tard". Is calling somebody a retard PC? I dont think so, so what makes you think you can say that yet blast Warrior for calling somebody a cripple?



Its also offensive to call a black man a "negro" but that is the defintion, if you look it up in the dictionary. You are letting your bias of the warrior skew you. From the way you illogically defend him, he can do no wrong in your eyes.




He has said it in print and on the radio, dont expect me to go thumbing through lots of old magazines to try and get you exact dates, and if you choose not to believe it because I cannot show proof at this very minute then fine, but he has regardless.


Ladies and gentlemen, a baseless accusation...





As for what makes Warriors run more memorable, well he won it from Hulk Hogan, in his prime, at the main event of WrestleMania in one of THE most memorable matches ever. He went on to feud with Rick Rude all over TV capped off with another hugely memorable match in the main event of SummerSlam inside a cage. He then went on to tag with Hulk Hogan and survive the Grand Finale match of Survival at Survivor Series. All the while he was feuding on TV with Ted DiBiase and Randy Savage in memorable matches and angles. What did JBL do? Won in a stupid way vs Eddie Guererro....he beat Big Show and Booker T aswell as the Undertaker in crappy matches hardly anybody remembers or gives a crap about. He was the champion on the B-show that hardly anybody watches or cares about, he was one of the single lowest drawing champions EVER because, surprise surprise, NOBODY CARED!

That whole rant you just spouted off is completely subjective. You believe he will be forever remembered, because you always will. Not everyone agrees with you. Quite Frankly, JBLs matches with Big Show at No Way Out and vs Cena at Judgement Day were better than any Warrior match ever.




And add to this the fact people are still talking about Warrior 15 years after he won the title and 14 years after his full time run as a wrestler ended...lets see if people are talking about JBL in 15 years and lets see if a JBL DVD is the hottest selling item in 15 years. I'll bet you £10,000 right now the answer is no on both counts. Why? Because Warrior was more memorable.


People are still talking about WHAM many years after they hit it big, but they still sucked. Popular opinion does not equal greatness.





If thats the case, then why didnt they? I'll tell you why, because Jim Hellwig was the right man and the ONLY man to play that character.


You just said before "anyone can play anyone, they just cant play it as well"
and now its "HE WAS THE ONLY ONE!" Which is it?





Your acting as if they could put a yellow and red shirt on any charismatic guy tomorrow and have the new Hulk Hogan complete with huge drawing power, popularity and so on and have him carry the company into the next decade! Its nonsensical!


If they had Hogans ability to draw a crowd, then yes, it would have worked. The thing is, no one really has that ability.




Your making assumptions again, and rediculous ones at that. Have you ever taken the time to contact him and get to know him? Obviously not. I have and he is far from having "lost it". Your just buying into the same old crap that everybody else does without bothering to actually research it yourself.


I am only interpreting what I have been given. I'm not being some fanboy....




And please, dont make excuses for you calling him an R-Tard, because you calling him that is no different than him calling Droz a cripple, barring the fact that Droz IS a cripple and Warrior ISNT retarded.


Youre just mad because you are seeing how dumb your statement is. I'm doing it to show you that. There is no difference, at all. I am intending to hurt Warrior, not that he cares, and he was intending to hurt Droz.




Your name calling all the while blasting somebody else for doing it, and the only reason is that you dont like Warrior, face it, just admit thats it, because its extremely obvious.

So says the fanboy....

[Dante]

[QUOTE=Kaedon]There is no difference because you dont seem to realize that its the intent, not anything else, behind the word. If the word is intended to hurt, not matter if its nigger or cripple, its a misuse of the word, period.

I can see your point on this, but I have a hard time swallowing it. I can see much less trouble from calling a legitimatlly crippled person crippled (no offense meant Anime) then calling a black person an nigger. Sure they are both bad, but I agree with Chrisma that the former is better than the latter.


I believe someone changing their name to Warrior is retarded. To me, he is. So whats the difference? You think Droz is a cripple, others think he is handicapped.

The difference is that while Droz is actually a cripple, Warrior isn't actually retarted. Hell he may have a screw loose, but he's not retarted. You really do sound hipocritical calling him one whilst complaining about him calling Droz crippled.




"AHHhhhh the heavens have opened up from above and the warriors have spoken, Hercules. It's time for you to pay the price. I broke the link in the chain. The next link in the evolution of The Ultimate Warrior is for you to step into the darkness where all your instincts can't get you by.
Can you handle the ultimate challenge Hercules? The Ultimate Warrior.
You will feel the full power of the Ultimate Warrior at Wrestlemania FOURRRRR!" 2-27-88

This is a prime example. "Its time for you to pay the price", "The next link in the chain....", "Can you handle the ultimate challenge" all of these are very generic sentiments, dressed up with big words to make little kids think he is deep.

Most big men may say that, but it doens't mean they would all be the same in their delivery or anything like that. His intense promos are part of what made Warrior memorable.


Says who? You? Since when is your opinion the end all and be all?

Who says yours is?

Actually, from all of the promos I have seen of his, and I've seen a lot, they ran the gammit as far as voice inflection. But the overall "I use imagery and big words" feel was still there.

Again, that was part of what his character was supposed to be.

Its also offensive to call a black man a "negro" but that is the defintion, if you look it up in the dictionary. You are letting your bias of the warrior skew you. From the way you illogically defend him, he can do no wrong in your eyes.

I don't know about over in England, but when you call a black person a negro over in the US they don't get offended. At least not in my experience.


That whole rant you just spouted off is completely subjective. You believe he will be forever remembered, because you always will. Not everyone agrees with you. Quite Frankly, JBLs matches with Big Show at No Way Out and vs Cena at Judgement Day were better than any Warrior match ever.

Your whole rant is completly subjective as well. You think the matches at No Way Out and Judgement Day were better than any Warrior match. There is no way to prove one or the other, because its all a matter of opinion.


People are still talking about WHAM many years after they hit it big, but they still sucked. Popular opinion does not equal greatness.

Popular opinion is what often determines greatness.

You just said before "anyone can play anyone, they just cant play it as well"
and now its "HE WAS THE ONLY ONE!" Which is it?

Anyone could play anyone, but it doesn't mean they would be as good as the original. I could parade around and act like Undertaker, but that doesn't mean I would be as good. Same with Warrior. Anyone could have been him, but that doesn't mean that they would be as good as Hellwig.





If they had Hogans ability to draw a crowd, then yes, it would have worked. The thing is, no one really has that ability.

Then why is it that people want to see Hogan? Raw ratings often go up and he always gets ovations. Isn't that drawing?



I am only interpreting what I have been given. I'm not being some fanboy....

You seem to be an anti-fan.



Youre just mad because you are seeing how dumb your statement is. I'm doing it to show you that. There is no difference, at all. I am intending to hurt Warrior, not that he cares, and he was intending to hurt Droz.

You just killed your own arguement. You say you're doing something to hurt Warrior. Whats the difference between you doing that and him trying to hurt Droz?

[Jack]

My main problem with Warrior calling Droz a cripple, is it has been said in a derogatory manner. Fair enough it may be true, but the way it has been said is as an insult. If someone has spots and you point it out in an offensive manner, why shouldn't people get pissed off even if it is true? I'm sure everyone in this thread has their faults, but when someone points it out to you in an offensive way, you're not going to like it.

As for JBL's comments, well I don't agree wih them all. As bad as he thinks Warrior is, JBL is just as bad. He can hardly comment on his matches, as Hogan vs Warrior and especially Warrior vs Savage, are two fantastic matches. Far better than anything JBL will ever do, so he doesn't have a point when it comes to ring skill.

Mic skills, well I must say I didn't and still don't understand some of Warriors promos. Doesn't really matter though, as all of Warriors promos were a success, as they fitted in with his character. Sure his delivery could of been a lot better, but his bounds of charisma more than covered that.

I must say growing up, when I was really young, I liked Warrior. To an extent I still do, but I do think you could of taken any one wrestler of his shape, and charisma levels, and Vince would of had a auccess. Guys like Hogan, Flair, Austin and The Rock made their character, and put nearly everyone else in their place, at that time, and they would of failed to be as successful. I don't see this as the case with Warrior though. Like I said before, I'm still a fan, but in nearly all areas he was nothing special. Apart from his pshyique, and charisma levels, he really wasn't anything different to a lot of other people, and even then, I'm sure there were wrestlers back then, who were just as charismatic and had the shape to go with it.
Although with them comments goes the fact that Warrior is one of the most recognisable wrestlers ever. He deserves a lot of credit for ending up such a success, although without his gimmick, it goes without saying he wouldn't of gone as far as he has.

[Kaedon]

I can see your point on this, but I have a hard time swallowing it. I can see much less trouble from calling a legitimatlly crippled person crippled (no offense meant Anime) then calling a black person an nigger. Sure they are both bad, but I agree with Chrisma that the former is better than the latter.


Much less trouble because the crippled person cant get up and kick the living **** out of you. So its ok to rediclule those who cant fight back?



The difference is that while Droz is actually a cripple, Warrior isn't actually retarted. Hell he may have a screw loose, but he's not retarted. You really do sound hipocritical calling him one whilst complaining about him calling Droz crippled.
retarded

adj : relatively slow in mental or emotional or physical development

Hellwig is slow if he thinks he his persona.



Most big men may say that, but it doens't mean they would all be the same in their delivery or anything like that. His intense promos are part of what made Warrior memorable.


As you said, most big men say that. He said nothing new, he just made it look different. You cant turn dogcrap into diamonds.



Who says yours is?


I never said mine was. I am not speaking for anyone other than myself. My perceptions and my views. Charisma is speaking in absolutist terms.


Again, that was part of what his character was supposed to be.


So his character was supposed to a pseudo-intillectual superhero? Ok, gotcha.


I don't know about over in England, but when you call a black person a negro over in the US they don't get offended. At least not in my experience.


Ever hear Bush call Colim Powell A Negro? No. I challenge you to go up to 10 african americans, call them Negros, and see how many dont kick your ass.


Your whole rant is completly subjective as well. You think the matches at No Way Out and Judgement Day were better than any Warrior match. There is no way to prove one or the other, because its all a matter of opinion.


When did I say my opinion was absolute? Oh yeah, I DIDNT!!!



Popular opinion is what often determines greatness.


Following that logic boy bands like NSuck are good musicains, when in fact, I can play circles around them. Popular opinion means record/ticket sales, not greatness.



Anyone could play anyone, but it doesn't mean they would be as good as the original. I could parade around and act like Undertaker, but that doesn't mean I would be as good. Same with Warrior. Anyone could have been him, but that doesn't mean that they would be as good as Hellwig.


If someone who had the same amount of charisma as Hellwig and had his build, its a cakewalk. Look at all the idiots who thought Renegade was him in WCW.



Then why is it that people want to see Hogan? Raw ratings often go up and he always gets ovations. Isn't that drawing?


Yeah, but I meant, NO ONE other than Hogan can do what he does. Not Austin, not HBK, not Cena, not the Rock, not anyone. Hogan is once in a lifetime wrestler. Warrior is once in a decade.




You seem to be an anti-fan.

Why, because I dont just blindly say "Oh everything he does is right"?





You just killed your own arguement. You say you're doing something to hurt Warrior. Whats the difference between you doing that and him trying to hurt Droz?

Nothing, I never said their was. But then again, Im admitting what Im doing. Im not lying. And I wouldnt have a problem saying it to him if I saw him. Then again, the Warrior is such a piece of garbage, I'm sure he'd call Droz a cripple to his face too.

[The Beltster]

You DO realise I am disabled? right?Yes, I know, doesnt mean I'm going to pull any punches with you on my opinions. Calling a crippled person a "cripple" is, in no way the same as calling a black person a "ni**er", not IMO anyway.

Cripple is a legit word for a crippled person, ni**er is NOT a legit term for black person, its a racial slur. Cripple isnt a disabled slur. Its two completely different things.

There is no difference because you dont seem to realize that its the intent, not anything else, behind the word. If the word is intended to hurt, not matter if its nigger or cripple, its a misuse of the word, period.Of course it isnt, dont be so stupid! So me calling you an idiot is as bad as me calling somebody a ni**er or a c*nt, simply because its online? Thats one of the most rediculous things I have EVER heard. PERIOD!

I believe someone changing their name to Warrior is retarded. To me, he is. So whats the difference? You think Droz is a cripple, others think he is handicapped.What do you mean "whats the difference"? If you cant comprehend the difference in that Warrior is NOT legitimately 'retarded' and that it doesnt make you a 'retard' simply because you change your legal name and the FACT that Droz is a cripple, no matter how you dress it up, then your one extremely ignorant individual.

Let me put it simply for you: Warrior is not mentally handicapped, he isnt retarded. Droz IS physically handicapped, he IS a cripple. There is your difference, if you cant understand that then your stupid.

Plus, again, what makes it ok for you to call people retarded (especially when they actually arent) but its terrible for somebody else to call a cripple, a cripple?!

You simply dislike Warrior, no other reason. Your obviously not the type of person who takes offence to verbal insults, because your throwing them around in every post you make without worry!

Really, well...

"AHHhhhh the heavens have opened up from above and the warriors have spoken, Hercules. It's time for you to pay the price. I broke the link in the chain. The next link in the evolution of The Ultimate Warrior is for you to step into the darkness where all your instincts can't get you by.
Can you handle the ultimate challenge Hercules? The Ultimate Warrior.
You will feel the full power of the Ultimate Warrior at Wrestlemania FOURRRRR!" 2-27-88

This is a prime example. "Its time for you to pay the price", "The next link in the chain....", "Can you handle the ultimate challenge" all of these are very generic sentiments, dressed up with big words to make little kids think he is deep.Thats not a generic promo at all, a generic promos is "This Monday night I'm going to kick your ass!" THATS generic, to call Warriors promos generic is wrong. You obviously dont understand what the word generic means.

Yeah, the 20 min of posing, walking around and that test of strength at WM 6 was VERY HIGH OCTANE!!! YEAH!!!!!Wow, you picked out one of the few matches where he worked for most than 6-8 minutes and worked a slowed down pace, well done, have a cookie. Lets ignore all his other matches shall we? YEAH!!!! :roll

Says who? You? Since when is your opinion the end all and be all?Says anybody who f'n saw the Renegade!

Quit refencing gifs that have bad slogans to make yourself seem clever....I dont need to try and make myself sound clever, even a legit retard like Warrior :roll would seem clever in responding to your worthless drivel.

You are the one who said his character wasnt timely. You are all mixed up kid.Its funny how, when people get completely OWNED online, they start doing what your doing to make themselves seem like they havent been owned. Deal with it, 'kid'.

Actually, from all of the promos I have seen of his, and I've seen a lot, they ran the gammit as far as voice inflection. But the overall "I use imagery and big words" feel was still there.His promos were completely different, his character had evolved and it simply wasnt the same deal as we saw in the late 80's/early 90's.

Its also offensive to call a black man a "negro" but that is the defintion, if you look it up in the dictionary. You are letting your bias of the warrior skew you. From the way you illogically defend him, he can do no wrong in your eyes.Not in the US, apparently. Speaking without researching again, I see.

As for me letting my bias speak, no I dont think so. I know of alot of faults Warrior has and have no problem admitting them whatsoever, but I'll dispute when people are talking nonsense about him and letting their anti-Warrior bias's skew them, like you are doing.

Ladies and gentlemen, a baseless accusation...No, its not baseless, I simply dont have the enthusiasm to go through archives in an attempt to prove a point. Like I said, believe it or not, I really could care less. I can see how your grasping at anything to try and prove me wrong seeing as every single thing your writing I'm squashing and showing as garbage. Nice try.

That whole rant you just spouted off is completely subjective. You believe he will be forever remembered, because you always will. Not everyone agrees with you. Quite Frankly, JBLs matches with Big Show at No Way Out and vs Cena at Judgement Day were better than any Warrior match ever.In your opinion, so what you are saying is completely objective too, right? Although I'm sure if you ran a poll, Warriors matches with Hogan, Savage, Rude, DiBiase, Demolition, Mr. Perfect, Rick Martel and many others were 100 times better than JBL vs Cena and JBL vs Big Show. Opinion based, but the majority would take Warriors matches over JBL no doubt, plus like I said, he is remembered 15 years later. Thats not subjective, its a fact, if it wasnt, why are we talking about him and why did WWE release a DVD on him? To even question whether he is remembered is rediculous.

People are still talking about WHAM many years after they hit it big, but they still sucked. Popular opinion does not equal greatness.WHAM made more money in a week that you will make in your entire lifetime, regardless of whether you liked them or not, they were considered 'great' and were hugely successful, thats why they are still talked about. If they were insignificant and worthless, nobody would talk about them, its not that hard a concept to grasp, surely?

You just said before "anyone can play anyone, they just cant play it as well"
and now its "HE WAS THE ONLY ONE!" Which is it?Anybody could play it, only Hellwig could play it like it should have been and was done. You know what I meant, but feel free to try and twist my words to make it into something its not, you will fail time and time again.

If they had Hogans ability to draw a crowd, then yes, it would have worked. The thing is, no one really has that ability.Hogans ability to draw a crowd was down to his charisma, look and overall total package he presented in the early 80's. So its not a case of transplanting his drawing ability, drawing ability comes with popularity which comes with having talent to make people give a sh*t. Thinking that anybody else could play Hulk Hogan as well as Terry Bollea is stupid, get real.

I am only interpreting what I have been given. I'm not being some fanboy....Oh look, its one of the internet marks who likes to throw the word 'fanboy' around, isnt that something. You ARE a fanboy, EVERY wrestling fan is, so dont kid yourself into thinking any different pal.

And like you said, your interpreting what you have been given instead of actually finding out for yourself.

Youre just mad because you are seeing how dumb your statement is. I'm doing it to show you that. There is no difference, at all. I am intending to hurt Warrior, not that he cares, and he was intending to hurt Droz.If you backpeddle any quicker, you will trip over your own feet. Your not doing it to show me sh*t, so lets not even say such rubbish. You called Warrior a retard because you felt like insulting him all the while blasting him for doing the same thing, the difference is your insult holds no water and his does. Your the only one here who comes off looking like a fool, over and over again.

So says the fanboy....Great comeback, its always satisfying when somebody has been so badly owned that they have no decent response and start name calling instead.

Consider yourself a beaten boy.

[FTW]

Hey Captain, if the word cripple is so inoffensive. Then the next time you see a guy in a wheel chair go and say;

"Hello cripple."

Then you may understand the true meaning of the word you moron.

[The Beltster]

Hey Captain, if the word cripple is so inoffensive. Then the next time you see a guy in a wheel chair go and say;

"Hello cripple."

Then you may understand the true meaning of the word you moron.If you actually read what I wrote, you would see that I said that I UNDERSTAND THAT WARRIOR USED IT IN AN INSULTING CONTEXT! I guess you didnt actually bother reading that before spouting off at the mouth right? My point is, cripple is a legit term for crippled people, sure it can be turned into an insult but its certainly not on the level of calling a black person a "ni**er", its more on the level of calling overweight people "fat" or people with acne "pizzaface", as I have said over and over again.

If you want to state your point fair enough, but at least read what people are writing thoroughly first...you idiot! (Now we are even on the name calling!)

[FTW]

Have you seen how much garbage you have wrote about one JBL comment? And the Warrior using that word. There's no way I would or could read through it all without a nap. Anyways im not interested in how much you've wrote about it and how you have tried to shift the meaning, nore am I bothered in how the Warrior used the term, I dont need to read everything you have written (which is a hell of alot) because the only thing I am replying to is the fact the you say that the word cripple is a legit word and you have stated time and time again that the word cripple a is an acceptable term to use.

And I strongly disagree.

So like I said, the next time you run into a 'cripple' as you like to call them, say; "Hello cripple." Then you may understand the power of the word.

EDIT:

My point is, cripple is a legit term for crippled people, sure it can be turned into an insult but its certainly not on the level of calling a black person a "ni**er", its more on the level of calling overweight people "fat" or people with acne "pizzaface", as I have said over and over again.

So is there some scale for measuring the hurtfulness of degrogitory remarks that I am not aware of?

[The Beltster]

Have you seen how much garbage you have wrote about one JBL comment? And the Warrior using that word. There's no way I would or could read through it all without a nap.If your not prepared to read what you are commenting on, then you shouldnt comment, because you will show that you dont know what your talking about, as you have just done twice.

Anyways im not interested in how much you've wrote about it and how you have tried to shift the meaning, nore am I bothered in how the Warrior used the term, I dont need to read everything you have written (which is a hell of alot) because the only thing I am replying to is the fact the you say that the word cripple is a legit word and you have stated time and time again that the word cripple a is an acceptable term to use.

And I strongly disagree.Fine, you can disagree, I never said otherwise and I dont expect people to agree, its all personal opinion, still there was no need for your namecalling was there? If there is no scale of hurtfulness of derogitory remarks, that means you calling me a moron is as bas as Warrior calling Droz a cripple, right?

So like I said, the next time you run into a 'cripple' as you like to call them, say; "Hello cripple." Then you may understand the power of the word.Are you ignorant or something? I never said I dont understand the power of the word, I said I dont think its as bad as certain other words! Cant you understand that?!

So is there some scale for measuring the hurtfulness of degrogitory remarks that I am not aware of?Of course there is a different level of hurtfullness to different words. If somebody were to call my girlfriend, for example, an idiot, I'd not be very pleased. If they were to call her a *****, I'd be livid. There are totally different levels to insults, if you cant see that then you are extremely close minded.

[FTW]

If your not prepared to read what you are commenting on, then you shouldnt comment, because you will show that you dont know what your talking about, as you have just done twice.

Eddie, you're missing the point again. I'll break it down nice and simple.

The ONLY thing I CARE ABOUT that you have written is about the term cripple being used as an OK word. To which my reply is to ask you to call a person in a wheelchair a cripple. That is all. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT.

Im done anyways, this thread is far enough of any sense already and I do not wish to add to that. Chris if you want to talk anymore, you know how to contact me.

Peace!

[PHIZZLE]

in what context did the warrior call droz a cripple


I'd like to hear the hole speech/interview or whatever before I make my judgement

[Anime_Otaku]

My point is, cripple is a legit term for crippled people, sure it can be turned into an insult but its certainly not on the level of calling a black person a "ni**er", its more on the level of calling overweight people "fat" or people with acne "pizzaface", as I have said over and over again.

No you are utterly wrong. Cripple and the N word are equally derogatory believe me if you said it to me there would be a good chance of you ending up disabled too.

[Mr. Perfect]

in what context did the warrior call droz a cripple


I'd like to hear the hole speech/interview or whatever before I make my judgement

watch the Byte This with the ultimate warriors responce.

[The Beltster]

Eddie, you're missing the point again. I'll break it down nice and simple.

The ONLY thing I CARE ABOUT that you have written is about the term cripple being used as an OK word. To which my reply is to ask you to call a person in a wheelchair a cripple. That is all. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT.

Im done anyways, this thread is far enough of any sense already and I do not wish to add to that. Chris if you want to talk anymore, you know how to contact me.

Peace!I give up even trying...

[FTW]

No you are utterly wrong. Cripple and the N word are equally derogatory believe me if you said it to me there would be a good chance of you ending up disabled too.

Thank you. Thats all i've been trying to get across to Chris, but it seems that he's way past reasoning with. If he could take a step back and gain an objective view to the situtation, without getting bend up and angry about the little things he may understand that in no circumstance is it ok to call someone that.

[The Beltster]

No you are utterly wrong. Cripple and the N word are equally derogatory.Well, I disagree, I think the n word towards blacks is alot worse than calling a disabled person a cripple. Your speaking with bias, as a person in a wheelchair. Ask a black person whats worse and they would probably say its no comparison.

believe me if you said it to me there would be a good chance of you ending up disabled toolol, oh dear. And how would that happen, I'd love to know... :lol

[FTW]

Well, I disagree, I think the n word towards blacks is alot worse than calling a disabled person a cripple. Your speaking with bias, as a person in a wheelchair. Ask a black person whats worse and they would probably say its no comparison.

Are you Gareth from The Office in disguise?

Oh my god. That's seriously sick man.

There is obviously going to be no compromise in this debate / arguement. So can we all walk away?

Chris I think you should take some time out and think about what you have written, its really low man. Really low.

[The Beltster]

Are you Gareth from The Office in disguise?

Oh my god. That's seriously sick man.

There is obviously going to be no compromise in this debate / arguement. So can we all walk away?

Chris I think you should take some time out and think about what you have written, its really low man. Really low.Look, just because you have a difference of opinion doesnt mean that its some higher ground holier-than-thou view, you want to tread the PC line then fine, do it, but dont expect the rest of us to.

I'm not worried now, nor have I ever been worried about voicing my honest opinions, if you disagree fine, but dont put your views on some high pedestal and make out that because mine are different that what I say is low.

If you want to overreact because Warrior used the word cripple, and if you want to believe that calling a crippled person just that is as bad as calling a black person a "ni**er" thats thats your perogotive, I disagree and to say I'm low because of it is a joke.

I'm not bashing crippled people, your acting as if I am. I have no problems with crippled people, your acting as if I do. Get real!

And please, dont speak down to me like your my father, telling me to take a time out because your views differ from mine, thats pathetic. These forums are all about difference of opinion, learn to live with it. Maybe you need to take a time out if you cant handle other peoples thoughts. Grow up.

[Carlito C. Cool]

watch the Byte This with the ultimate warriors responce.



which one is that

[Mr. Perfect]

which one is that

the one were Matt Striker does the Ultimate Rip-off

Chew This, I Mean Byte This! (http://www.wwe.com/common/mediapreferences/?return=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wwe.com%2Fcontent%2Fmedia %2Fvideo%2Fbytethis%2F2005%2F9%2F28bytethisedit%3F section%3D%2Fcommunity%2Fbytethis%2F)

[carlito is cool]

Hellwig is a well known asshole if hes not calling droz crippled hes going to universities and giving lectures ripping on homosexuals. I have never heard anyone say anything positive about the guy heenan,jake roberts, andre the giant,jbl,flair they all think the guys a complete waste of space. Who does he think he is for god sake the guy has lost touch with reality he genuinely believes he is a god!!! He was a roided up rambling pillock that wore batman face paint and was blowing out of his arse after 5 minutes The guy seems to fancy himself as a bit of an intellectual yet when he is riled by someone he instantly refers to childish name calling i.e fags,queers,cripples other various obscenities. He needs to realise all his success was down to vince mcmahon and the way he was pushed, as soon as he left the wwf he was done. And the funny thing is we are only talking about him now is because of Vince

Funny how all Warriors ranting is from behind a keyboard aswell spose he wouldn't want the **** smacked out of him again ala Rick Rude.

Hellwig needs to quiet down and try vanish with what little credibility he has left. After all he may not have long left the amount of juice that guy was on his heart has gotta be worse for wear.

Hellwig should be thankful Vince gave him his 15 minutes of fame. To Warriors credit he had the look and nailed what moves he needed to fairly well but thats all thats where his talents ended. As for all the gay bashing, calling guys f'in cripples. Jim your a former Wrestler that has the piss ripped out of you because you ramble so much crap nothing more, you are giving people more artilery to bury you with by making these comments

Vince made Hellwig. Hellwig and his mental problems have destroyed him in the eyes of most.

[Mr. Perfect]

for the last time and i mean this, his name hasnt been Hellwig for 12 years! its Warrior, it will always be Warrior, and it'll stay.....Warrior.....forever!




unless he pulls his head out of his bum and changes it back.

[Prototype]

Tell the queer & the cripple Droz to read my statement on the air.

If that statement isn't supposed to be insulting to both Todd Grisham (whether he is gay or not) and Droz and doesn't offend the disabled community, let alone the gay community I'll be astounded. I used to have a lot of respect for Captain Chrisma's views even if I didn't agree with them but I'm not sure that if he can not accept that Warrior needs to make a public apology, I'm not sure I'll want to read another word Chrisma says. As for being PC, I don't think its about being politically correct, it's about respecting another human being's feelings.

[Kaedon]

Cripple is a legit word for a crippled person, ni**er is NOT a legit term for black person, its a racial slur. Cripple isnt a disabled slur. Its two completely different things.

Why is it different? Negro, in the dictionary, means someone who has dark skin, so technically, thats the correct term. Yet you dont hear the moron President using it, why? BECAUSE ITS OFFESIVE, just like you dont hear him calling disabled vets cripples.


Of course it isnt, dont be so stupid! So me calling you an idiot is as bad as me calling somebody a ni**er or a c*nt, simply because its online? Thats one of the most rediculous things I have EVER heard. PERIOD!

Yes, your intent is the same.


What do you mean "whats the difference"? If you cant comprehend the difference in that Warrior is NOT legitimately 'retarded' and that it doesnt make you a 'retard' simply because you change your legal name and the FACT that Droz is a cripple, no matter how you dress it up, then your one extremely ignorant individual.
[QUOTE=Captain ChrisMa]

If a person believes so much that they are a character that they change their name, then they are very slow in realizing the difference between fantasy and reality. That is the definition of a retarded person. Someone who is slow, and from what I can see, thats what Warrior is.

[QUOTE=Captain ChrisMa]
Plus, again, what makes it ok for you to call people retarded (especially when they actually arent) but its terrible for somebody else to call a cripple, a cripple?!

The way I see it, if Warrior wants to call people names, why cant he be subject to it?Especially when is showing that he is obviously slow on the uptake


You simply dislike Warrior, no other reason. Your obviously not the type of person who takes offence to verbal insults, because your throwing them around in every post you make without worry!


I used to like him a lot more when I was younger, but I would say this if it was JBL rediculing a crippled man.


Thats not a generic promo at all, a generic promos is "This Monday night I'm going to kick your ass!" THATS generic, to call Warriors promos generic is wrong. You obviously dont understand what the word generic means.

He dressed up the same old promos with imagery, thats it. If you werent such a fanboy, youd see that. Try looking at it objectively.


Wow, you picked out one of the few matches where he worked for most than 6-8 minutes and worked a slowed down pace, well done, have a cookie. Lets ignore all his other matches shall we? YEAH!!!! :roll


His match with Savage was laoded with restholds, and was pretty slow paced, his cage match with rude was average paced, save warrior flailing his arms around, and his match with slaughter was only average paced, once again, save for warrior flailing his arms around.


Says anybody who f'n saw the Renegade!


I saw the Renegade and I dont say that...



Its funny how, when people get completely OWNED online, they start doing what your doing to make themselves seem like they havent been owned. Deal with it, 'kid'.

It's been my experience that anyone who uses leet speek, or any derivative thereof, is just another internet geek who thinks his post count or something just as insignificant is an extension of his penis. You havent PWNED anything, you're ignoring logic.


His promos were completely different, his character had evolved and it simply wasnt the same deal as we saw in the late 80's/early 90's.

Why? Because a Warrior mark said so?


Not in the US, apparently. Speaking without researching again, I see.


I live in a city with a high ass concentration of black people. Some of my best friends are black, all of my nieces and nephews are mixed black and white, trust me, I know better than you do. If I called my bothers in law, or any of my freinds "negro" or anything like that, there would be trouble.


As for me letting my bias speak, no I dont think so. I know of alot of faults Warrior has and have no problem admitting them whatsoever, but I'll dispute when people are talking nonsense about him and letting their anti-Warrior bias's skew them, like you are doing.


Really, because from all I can see, you think the Warrior can do no wrong. Not once have you criticized him in anyway.


No, its not baseless, I simply dont have the enthusiasm to go through archives in an attempt to prove a point. Like I said, believe it or not, I really could care less. I can see how your grasping at anything to try and prove me wrong seeing as every single thing your writing I'm squashing and showing as garbage. Nice try.

The fact remains, you are throwing around accusations without substantiated proof. Now who is backpedaling?



In your opinion, so what you are saying is completely objective too, right? Although I'm sure if you ran a poll, Warriors matches with Hogan, Savage, Rude, DiBiase, Demolition, Mr. Perfect, Rick Martel and many others were 100 times better than JBL vs Cena and JBL vs Big Show. Opinion based, but the majority would take Warriors matches over JBL no doubt, plus like I said, he is remembered 15 years later. Thats not subjective, its a fact, if it wasnt, why are we talking about him and why did WWE release a DVD on him? To even question whether he is remembered is rediculous.

WHAM made more money in a week that you will make in your entire lifetime, regardless of whether you liked them or not, they were considered 'great' and were hugely successful, thats why they are still talked about. If they were insignificant and worthless, nobody would talk about them, its not that hard a concept to grasp, surely?

This all goes to popular opinion equaling greatness. Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Dave Mustaine, Kirk Hammett, Danny Carrey, Neil Pert; all of these men have more talent in their pinky than either of the guys in WHAM do. Hell, I have more musical ability than either of the guys in WHAM. Popular opinion doesnt equal greatness. If anything, It means they are great at selling themselves, but it is by no means a determination of ability.


Anybody could play it, only Hellwig could play it like it should have been and was done. You know what I meant, but feel free to try and twist my words to make it into something its not, you will fail time and time again.


Backpedaling again I see....


Hogans ability to draw a crowd was down to his charisma, look and overall total package he presented in the early 80's. So its not a case of transplanting his drawing ability, drawing ability comes with popularity which comes with having talent to make people give a sh*t. Thinking that anybody else could play Hulk Hogan as well as Terry Bollea is stupid, get real.


Hogan has always had a natural charisma, that, with time, made him huge. No one had as much, or will ever have as much as Terry Bollea. No one, thats why no one could ever be a bigger draw. Hogan is a once in a lifetime performer, Warrior is once in a decade.


Oh look, its one of the internet marks who likes to throw the word 'fanboy' around, isnt that something. You ARE a fanboy, EVERY wrestling fan is, so dont kid yourself into thinking any different pal.

I harshly criticize everyone, even the people I mark out for. I'm just a critical *******.


And like you said, your interpreting what you have been given instead of actually finding out for yourself.


Once something more is given to me, I will take it into account. I can only go on what I have.



Great comeback, its always satisfying when somebody has been so badly owned that they have no decent response and start name calling instead.

Consider yourself a beaten boy.


"D00D 3Y3 S0 PWN3D Y00" Because I refuse to let my pro warrior feelings allow logic to seep into my tiny brain. :roll

[The Beltster]

If that statement isn't supposed to be insulting to both Todd Grisham (whether he is gay or not) and Droz and doesn't offend the disabled community, let alone the gay community I'll be astounded. I used to have a lot of respect for Captain Chrisma's views even if I didn't agree with them but I'm not sure that if he can not accept that Warrior needs to make a public apology, I'm not sure I'll want to read another word Chrisma says. As for being PC, I don't think its about being politically correct, it's about respecting another human being's feelings.Your missing my point! I'm not saying its not insulting, I'm saying I personally dont see it as a huge deal calling a crippled person a cripple, as its no different that calling an obese person a fatass or a spotty person pizza-face. THATS my point.

Make a public appology? Maybe WWE owe Warrior one too?

Respecting another human beings feelings? So you, in your life, have NEVER insulted somebody or hurt somebody elses feelings? It seems like alot of people around here in the past few days seem to think they are holier-than-thou people who have never said a bad word to a soul...its laughable at best!

As for not wanting to read any of my posts again, to be honest bro I'd say thats a rediculous overreaction. I like reading a ton of peoples posts, but I dont agree with all of them. That being said, if I dont agree, doesnt mean I totally overraeact like a baby and say "I dont think I want to be your friend anymore!" You get the point. Its sad. If you lose respect for people because their opinion isnt in line with your own ideaology, your not going to have respect for many people in your life. Please, you need to put it in perspective!

[Slim Jim]

Why is it different? Negro, in the dictionary

Negro is the official term, nigger is not.


I agree mostly with Belty on this topic, although the way he used the word cripple wsa perhaps not the right thing to do... but that being said, wouldn't you be angry if they were stirring the preverbial poopy by offering him an open mic after they made a DVD basically insulting his very successful career.

[Kaedon]

Negro is the official term, nigger is not.


I agree mostly with Belty on this topic, although the way he used the word cripple wsa perhaps not the right thing to do... but that being said, wouldn't you be angry if they were stirring the preverbial poopy by offering him an open mic after they made a DVD basically insulting his very successful career.

Actaully the offical term is African American.

[Dante]

I say this is at least partly WWE's fault. If not for the DVD then none of this would have happened. I don't agree with everything Warrior said, but none of it would have been said had they not tried to rip him to pieces.

[MrFill]

Actaully the offical term is African American.
So a negro in England would be called an African American? Sounds rather insane to me.

[Anime_Otaku]

Negro is the official medical term for a black person same as Caucasian is for a white person.

[Christof]

he is still being talked about 15 years after WM6 and almost 10 years after he left the WWF.

By you Belty, by You!

I for one would like wrestling to move on, ok the past was great (rose-tinted albeit) but the future is the way forward. And one day even you will watch that "classic" main event for the last time.

[MrFill]

The reason he's being talked about now is because of the DVD that the WWE decided to release (to make money).

Because Warrior responded, people in the WWE have responded.



If they did something on their 80's DVD, do you think that people would have been speaking about that? Of course they would.

Why did the WWE DVD put Warrior down so much? Because Warrior refused to help, so they decided to make it more "anti" Warrior.

That's all there is to it.

[Dave7g]

I've seen the DVD and it's not that good. Fact is Warrior wasn't very good in the ring, he only had a handfull of decent matches. His interviews were very strange but I liked them at the time, I was only 14 then, he no showed a lot of matches and his various comebacks bombed. Thats pretty much the whole DVD right there. When Bret's DVD is finally released the world will be a much better place. Three discs of sheer quality!

[Champy]

When Bret's DVD is finally released the world will be a much better place. Three discs of sheer quality!


seeing how ultimate warrior got buried.. think of what vince would do to bret!

[The Beltster]

By you Belty, by You!Yes, Christof, I'm the ONLY person worldwide who still speaks of the Ultimate Warrior. If it werent for me speaking about him, NOBODY would even remember who he is. Thank goodness I'm around to keep the spirit of the Warrior alive. :xyx

Why is it different? Negro, in the dictionary, means someone who has dark skin, so technically, thats the correct term. Yet you dont hear the moron President using it, why? BECAUSE ITS OFFESIVE, just like you dont hear him calling disabled vets cripples.I said ni**er, not negro. If you bother to actually read what I wrote, you would see I didnt say negro, YOU DID!

As for negro being technically the right term, somebody else here in the US said that its not offiencive when used in the US.


Yes, your intent is the same.Dont talk such crap! If I call somebody an idiot and somebody else a faggot, for example, then its obvious which insult is worse, to say otherwise it stupid.

If a person believes so much that they are a character that they change their name, then they are very slow in realizing the difference between fantasy and reality. That is the definition of a retarded person. Someone who is slow, and from what I can see, thats what Warrior is.Nice try, dress it up as you wish, but it proves your desperately struggling. Making out that Warrior is 'retarded' simply because he changed his name makes you idiotic. The reason he changed his name officially, according to him, is that he didnt wish to carry on his family name of Hellwig, pass it on to his future children and so on after feeling such distain for his father who carried the name. Those are his reasons, he has a right to not wish to be associated with his father if he chooses, doesnt make the man a damn retard.

The way I see it, if Warrior wants to call people names, why cant he be subject to it?Especially when is showing that he is obviously slow on the uptakeWarrior has been subject to name calling for years, yet nobody says anything. As soon as he lashes out after taking it for years, all the haters decide to jump on the bandwagon and bash him, and not only bash him, but to EXACTLY what they are bashing him for. Do you think its fine and dandy to throw the term retard around? How would you feel if you had a retarded child? Would you be calling people that then, due to a name change no-less? I doubt it.

I used to like him a lot more when I was younger, but I would say this if it was JBL rediculing a crippled man.He called him a cripple in a moment of anger after being **** on for weeks, months and years, he wasnt ridiculing him, he called him a name, but a name which is the proper term for what he IS! Its not like he called him a spastic or an a**hole is it?!

He dressed up the same old promos with imagery, thats it. If you werent such a fanboy, youd see that. Try looking at it objectively.Its not a case of being a fanboy, and do us all a favour and drop that term because all wrestling fans can be classed as fanboys, marks and so on. Dont put yourself outside of that category, fanboy. And no, his promos werent generic, to say otherwise puts you in the wrong.

His match with Savage was laoded with restholds, and was pretty slow paced, his cage match with rude was average paced, save warrior flailing his arms around, and his match with slaughter was only average paced, once again, save for warrior flailing his arms around.And 90% of his matches were high paced 2-6 minute squashes.

I saw the Renegade and I dont say that...Of course you dont, because your being argumentative and cannot admit when your wrong. ok, apart from you, MOST people said that, better?

It's been my experience that anyone who uses leet speek, or any derivative thereof, is just another internet geek who thinks his post count or something just as insignificant is an extension of his penis. You havent PWNED anything, you're ignoring logic.Yes, people on this website believe their post counts means something, especially considering post counts have been switched off long ago and nobody here gives a toss about such things!

No, I'm afraid you were PWNED. Your the one ignoring logic and then backpeddling at a high rate of speed when you continually have everything you say picked apart meticulously.

Why? Because a Warrior mark said so?No, because its blatantly obvious to anybody who watched, barring you apparently, but then thats not overly hard to believe because you dont seem to be able to comprehend much at all.

I live in a city with a high ass concentration of black people. Some of my best friends are black, all of my nieces and nephews are mixed black and white, trust me, I know better than you do. If I called my bothers in law, or any of my freinds "negro" or anything like that, there would be trouble.Show me some proof of this and I'll believe you...just as you just had to have proof of JBL making racist comments out of character. I'm afraid I'll need proof of that please, otherwise its simply your word against the other US citizen who said the complete opposite.

Really, because from all I can see, you think the Warrior can do no wrong. Not once have you criticized him in anyway.I would admit any fault he has, if its brought up. In this instance, I dont believe calling a crippled man a cripple is as bad as some think. Simple as that. If you want to talk about his match quality and say he was a great technical wrestler or something along those lines, I'd happily tell you your crazy and that Warrior was certainly no great in-ring technical worker.

The fact remains, you are throwing around accusations without substantiated proof. Now who is backpedaling?I dont backpeddle EVER, from anybody about anything. If I'm wrong I'll admit it, if I'm proven wrong, I'll admit it and appologise as I have done around here before, newbie. But dont think for once second that I backpeddle, especially from clueless people like yourself.

This all goes to popular opinion equaling greatness. Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Dave Mustaine, Kirk Hammett, Danny Carrey, Neil Pert; all of these men have more talent in their pinky than either of the guys in WHAM do. Hell, I have more musical ability than either of the guys in WHAM. Popular opinion doesnt equal greatness. If anything, It means they are great at selling themselves, but it is by no means a determination of ability.Makes no difference. They were successful, thats all that matters, and they are fondly remembered my millions of people, so they must have been doing something right. Just because YOU dont like them doesnt mean they sucked for everybody else.

Backpedaling again I see....The only person I see backpeddling around here is you, and when your not backpeddling your either talking worthless drivel or twisting words to try and climb out of the hole you keep dropping yourself in.

Hogan has always had a natural charisma, that, with time, made him huge. No one had as much, or will ever have as much as Terry Bollea. No one, thats why no one could ever be a bigger draw. Hogan is a once in a lifetime performer, Warrior is once in a decade.Ummm, yeah. Thanks for actually arguing AGAINST yourself. You were the one saying anybody could play Hulk Hogan is they simply transplanted his drawing ability, I said otherwise, now your agreeing with me. Do you even know whether your coming or going? Pick a side and stay on it will you.

I harshly criticize everyone, even the people I mark out for. I'm just a critical *******.I criticize people I'm a fan of aswell, if they deserve the critisism, in this instance, I dont believe Warrior stepped as far over the line as some others do. It has nothing to do with it being Warrior, if Hacksaw Duggan said it (who I cant stand) I'd still have the same opinion.

Once something more is given to me, I will take it into account. I can only go on what I have.No, you cant only go on what you have, you can go and research it and find out more, its not hard, the man in question is only an email away.

"D00D 3Y3 S0 PWN3D Y00" Because I refuse to let my pro warrior feelings allow logic to seep into my tiny brain. :rollAnother of your great comebacks. If you keep these up, maybe something worthwhile will seep from your fingertips into your keyboard and onto my screen. I wont hold my breath.

Oh, and here are your rolly eyes back, I dont need them: :roll

[The Beltster]

When Bret's DVD is finally released the world will be a much better place. Three discs of sheer quality!Bret is lucky he caved to Vince, else we would be seeing 'The Self Destruction of Bret Hart' on shop shelves soon, next to the more-than-likely upcoming 'Self Destruction of Randy Savage' :lol

[carlito is cool]

Captain Charisma said:
Nice try, dress it up as you wish, but it proves your desperately struggling. Making out that Warrior is 'retarded' simply because he changed his name makes you idiotic. The reason he changed his name officially, according to him, is that he didnt wish to carry on his family name of Hellwig, pass it on to his future children and so on after feeling such distain for his father who carried the name. Those are his reasons, he has a right to not wish to be associated with his father if he chooses, doesnt make the man a damn retard.


Lol yea he didn't like Hellwig so he changed his name to Warrior im sure his kids will thank him for that :lol

Also captain charisma can you defend his bashing of homosexuals?

[The Beltster]

Lol yea he didn't like Hellwig so he changed his name to Warrior im sure his kids will thank him for that :lol They have Warrior as their surnames, so its not too bad. It could be worse, I went to school with a kid named Simon Crapper, thats harsh when your a kid.

Also captain charisma can you defend his bashing of homosexuals?His stance on homosexuals is his opinion. I dont think it needs defending. Some people like gay people, some people dont care one way or the other, and some think its wrong. I think thats all down to personal opinion. I can see both sides of that arguement, its a touchy subject these days.

[carlito is cool]

They have Warrior as their surnames, so its not too bad. It could be worse, I went to school with a kid named Simon Crapper, thats harsh when your a kid.

His stance on homosexuals is his opinion. I dont think it needs defending. Some people like gay people, some people dont care one way or the other, and some think its wrong. I think thats all down to personal opinion. I can see both sides of that arguement, its a touchy subject these days.

Ok do you think its right for Hellwig to voice his opinions about homosexuals in the way he does by flaming them at lectures or trashing them on his site?

If you don't find this behaviour inappropriate your head is stuck well to far to up hellwigs arse

[1SinN6]

so his stance on homosexuals is to discriminate them?... i don't have to remind you that his "stance" is against the law..

well it is here in Holland... he shouldnt even be talking about them at lectures... i don't think anyone invites Warrior to talk about gay's at his/her school ...

[carlito is cool]

so his stance on homosexuals is to discriminate them?... i don't have to remind you that his "stance" is against the law..

well it is here in Holland... he shouldnt even be talking about them at lectures... i don't think anyone invites Warrior to talk about gay's at his/her school ...

They don't invite him to start flaming homosexuals. But since when did the almighty Jim Hellwig stick to the script. He went on some idiot rant a few months back at a college. It should be funny to see captain charisma duck the question so he doesn't have to critisize hellwig in anyway. Afterall his behaviour is a disgrace.

[1SinN6]

http://austinwm.club.fr/HTLM/Photos/T/The_Ultimate_Warrior/The_Ultimate_Warrior_-_James_Hellwig_27.jpg

[lame joke]i just don't think he should be badmouthing gay people, when one time in your life.. you looked like that[/lame joke]

[Dante]

A bit off the subject here, but why was Warrior originally supposed to be at the lecture where he went off on gays?

[Dave7g]

Bret is lucky he caved to Vince, else we would be seeing 'The Self Destruction of Bret Hart' on shop shelves soon, next to the more-than-likely upcoming 'Self Destruction of Randy Savage' :lol

I think that Bret knew they would do a warrior style burial, so he did what was right. Somehow if they did that to Bret, I don't think many people would be standing by the WWE like they have with warriors, I mean some people believe EVERYTHING WWE shove at them, and if WWE say something, it MUST be true! :thumbsup

[carlito is cool]

A bit off the subject here, but why was Warrior originally supposed to be at the lecture where he went off on gays?

to give a talk to students :eek God help America in 5-10 years time if Hellwig is giving the kids there lectures :eek It will be a nation of roided up homaphodic, disabled bashing, out of touch with reality idiots!!! Who get blown up walking to the toilet :lol

[Dante]

I know it was to talk to the students, I meant the particular subject. Sorry for not being more clear on that.

[The Beltster]

Ok do you think its right for Hellwig to voice his opinions about homosexuals in the way he does by flaming them at lectures or trashing them on his site?

If you don't find this behaviour inappropriate your head is stuck well to far to up hellwigs arseRight, I'll tell you my opinions, but let me say this first mate, dont you jump on me and start telling me I have my head up somebodies ass before I ever tell you my thoughts, ok!

Now, as for Warriors comments. He should have known better than to voice his honest opinions on that college campus in a way, because it would have saved him alot of grief. HOWEVER, he voiced his honest opinions. EVEYBODY is entitled to their opinions, whether other people agree or not doesnt matter.

Now, let me tell you something else. I'm getting so f'n sick and damn tired of people who are pro gay, bashing people who are anti gay. Just because somebody thinks homosexuality is fine, why does that make them right and somebody who thinks homosexuality is wrong is wrong? Its a double standard and the person wit