Ask Chris2K!

[Christof]

They should chuck Triple H on heat every so often, just to give Heat some credibility. Benoit doesn't deserve to be on heat, I just hope they don't start jobbing him out like they have done to Eddie Guerrero.

[Chris2K]

Last time Triple H was on HeAT was July 13th 2003. He defeated Maven. :).

[Christof]

Geek!!!! Only kidding Statto! When was the last time he lost on Heat??? Now thats a challenge for ya!

[The B-Man]

Geek!!!! Only kidding Statto! When was the last time he lost on Heat??? Now thats a challenge for ya!

LMAO, that's a classic. Here is another one for you, when was the last time he was either not in the Main Event and lost on PPV

[Chris2K]

Christof - July 18th 1999, he lost by DQ to Big Show

Last pinfall/submission loss was him and X-Pac losing to Jeff Jarrett and Owen Hart on February 9th 1999. This was when Heat was the second biggest show though.

He's never lost a Heat singles match.

Baz: He lost to Kevin Nash by DQ at Judgment Day 2003.

Last pinfall/submission loss goes all the way back to SummerSlam 2002 when he lost to Shawn Michaels :).

[The B-Man]

SO when was the last Submission to that question as HBK was pinfall:)

[Chris2K]

Well he last tapped on PPV at WrestleMania XX, but as that was a Main Event, it doesn't count. I can't find one that wasn't a ME, but if I'm wrong I apologise :).

If anyone else has a question, this thread's the place to ask it. You've got no idea how much research I'm willing to do :P.

[WWE]

What? July 2003 vs. Maven? dude that didn't seem long ago...!

how much more than the Divas do the male Wrestlers get paid every show/year?

[Chris2K]

I'm sure it differs dependent on the wrestlers. The big stars like HHH, Angle, Taker, HBK etc. will get paid a lot more than the divas (except Christy), whereas people like Stevie Richards, Scotty 2 Hotty, Tyson Tomko and others who have recently been caleld up from OVW will be paid the same, if not less than people like Trish, Molly, Victoria and Lita.

I can't really give a precise answer *** I can't hack into the WWE Financial database :).

[WWE]

^_^

I know this is a weird question since it's about WWE answers (if u get me) but whats UR fave PPV ever? :P

[Chris2K]

WrestleMania X7, WrestleMania XX or Canadian Stampede (1997)

[malaphesto]

Why did WCW's wrestler The Renegade kill himself?

[Chris2K]

The most likely reason is severe depression, emphasised by the fact that he shot himself shortly after WCW released him. He had been promised a huge push by both Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan, but it ended with him jobbing loads and being released.

Here's what Ric Flair had to say on the matter:

In 1999, four months after being released from WCW, The Renegade shot himself to death in his kitchen in Marietta, Georgia. The guy obviously had other problems, so I’d never blame Hogan for the suicide. But I do blame both Hogan and Bischoff for inflating the kid’s ego and giving him the impression that he was capable of being a star. - Flair on the late Renegade Rick Wilson, who held the WCW Television championship.

I didn't really know much about this, so I used WrestleView.com and PWInsider's interview with Flair.

[The B-Man]

Who are the top three longest regining:

WWE Champion?
World Heavyweight/WCW Champion
IC Champion
US Champion
ECW Champion
European Champion
Hardcore Champion
WWE Womens Champion
WWE Tag Team Champions
World Tag Team Champions
WWE Crusierweight Champion
WCW Crusierweight Champion
NWA Champion
X-Division Champion

[Dave7g]

Heres one for ya, when mankind first was brought in JR kept making reference to "The Joe Joe Miller incident". What was he on about?

Chris...

[WWE]

Will Zach Gowen ever return?

[Chris2K]

Will Zach Gowen ever return?

Is a question that is based on my opinion and can differ from person to person.

Heres one for ya, when mankind first was brought in JR kept making reference to "The Joe Joe Miller incident". What was he on about?

Is a factual question that I can research. With difficulty :P.

EDIT: To answer, I can't find anything on it anywhere. I presume it's just an inside comment that nobody's supposed to get.

Who are the top three longest regining:

WWE Champion?
World Heavyweight/WCW Champion
IC Champion
US Champion
ECW Champion
European Champion
Hardcore Champion
WWE Womens Champion
WWE Tag Team Champions
World Tag Team Champions
WWE Crusierweight Champion
WCW Crusierweight Champion
NWA Champion
X-Division Champion

Is Baz being a ******* :P.

[Jack]

Is a factual question that I can research. With difficulty :P.

EDIT: To answer, I can't find anything on it anywhere. I presume it's just an inside comment that nobody's supposed to get.
Just a guess here, but could it of been the lad who made him eat worms? I stopped watching around that time, so like I say its just a guess.

[Christof]

I start with one question and look what it becomes!!!!! Go Statto!

[Darkstar]

Ok then Chris:

who trained Dynamite Kid and what was the name of the gym?

And:

Dynamite hated one UK wrestler and one UK promoter more than any other, who were the 2 men?

[Chris2K]

He was trained by Bruce and Stu Hart in Stampede Wrestling and the Hart Dungeon.

He hated Big Daddy and Davey Boy I know, but can't find the promoter.

By the way, this thread is for questions you DON'T know the answer to :P.

[Darkstar]

I dont remember the guy who trained him in the UK where he first trained! It was osmewhere called 'The Snake Gyme' if I remember! And the promotor was Big Shirls brother! ;)

[Rock]

Why does Ric Flair still wrestle?

[Chris2K]

Because he's paid to.

[Rock]

Was Doink always played by the same person.. If so who were they.... And who was the person behind The Patriot mask

[Chris2K]

Doink has been played by a huge amount of people:

Matt Borne - perhaps the most famous one, and his only career higlight was playing the character of Doink.
Steve Keirn - aka Skinner, played Doink a few times. Now a SD Road Agent
Ray Apollo - know nothing about him.
Dusty Wolfe - Generic indy guy who travelled the world, only was Doink a few times.
Steve Lombardi - I think he's played every gimmick in the world.

Since then, such one-timers have been:

Chris Jericho - before WMX7
Nick "Eugene" Dinsmore - Vengeance 03

The main one now is Ray Lichachelli, who plays Doink in the Indies (he was Doink at WM10 as well).

The Patriot was played by Del Wilkes when he faced of with Bret Hart etc. Since then, Wilkes has sold the rights to the name to Tom Brandi, who tours the indies using the gimmick.

Good couple of questions :).

[Rock]

Thanks....

Here are some more i would like to know....

Where did they get the name sharpshooter from for the move ?

Why did Macho Man go for the pin on Yokozuna in the Royal Rumble in 93 ?

Whats the reason for getting rid of the King Of The Ring PPV

[Fletch]

Why was Trytan or Titus as hes called wearing Mr Americas boots and belt recently in Japan?

[Chris2K]

Thanks....

Here are some more i would like to know....

Where did they get the name sharpshooter from for the move ?

I'll find that out after I've had dinner.

Why did Macho Man go for the pin on Yokozuna in the Royal Rumble in 93 ?

I'd guess just a lack of thought and communication. A Rumble match is a one-off so I suppose it could be hard to remember.

Whats the reason for getting rid of the King Of The Ring PPV

Apparently the WWE think there's more money in split brand PPVs like Bad Blood and Great American Bash than there is in a recognised tournament like KOTR. Daft yes, but the WWE have never been the smartest thinkers.


Fletch: I don't know :P.

[malaphesto]

does the WWE fund Fozzy or do they have nothing to do with wwe besides jericho

[Chris2K]

Fozzy are on a different label, i.e. not on the WWE's payroll or part of their assets. Therefore I doubt Fozzy get so much as a penny from Vince in support of their basic funding. However, Jericho gets free advertisement for his band's albums and songs on WWE TV and in WWE productions, so I suppose that is a sort of mediator.

[Y2James]

Could you give me the location of all 20 wrestlemanias?

[Chris2K]

WM1 - Madison Square Garden, New York

WM2
- Nassau Coliseum, Ney York
- Rosemont Horizon, Illinois
- L.A. Sports Arena, California

WM3 - Pontiac Silverdome, Michigan
WM4 - Trump Plaza, Atlantic City, New Jersey
WM5 - Trump Plaza, Atlantic City, New Jersey
WM6 - Toronto Skydome, Ontario
WM7 - L.A. Sports Arena, California
WM8 - Hoosier Dome, Indiananoplis, Indiana
WM9 - Caesar's Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada
WM10 - Madison Square Garden, New York
WM11 - Hartford Civic Center, Conneticut
WM12 - Arrowhead Pond, Anaheim, Callifornia
WM13 - Rosemont Horizon, Illinois
WM14 - Fleet Center, Boston, Massachusetts
WM15 - First Union Center, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
WM2000 - Arrowhead Pond, Anaheim, Callifornia
WMX7 - Houston Astrodome, Texas
WMX8 - Toronto Skydome, Ontario
WM19 - SAFECO Field, Seattle, Washington
WMXX - Madison Square Garden, New York
WM21 - Staples Center, Los Angeles, California

[Rock]

Can you name the top 5 biggest earners in WWE history for a match in a PPV

[Chris2K]

Again, I would need comprehensive records of the WWE's financial adminstration department for that :).

[Rock]

I'll find that out after I've had dinner..

Did you manage to find out

[Y2James]

Where did they get the name sharpshooter from for the move ?


Wouldnt that be because it sends a SHARP SHOOTING pain in your back by any chance.

[Chris2K]

Nah sorry, I'm guessing Bret/Owen had something to do with it as they brought the move over from Japan. Apart from that, I know very little about the moves origin.

[Russ]

Bret "The Hitman" Hart.

Hitman...Sharpshooter.

Dory Funk Jnr and Riki Chosu used the move before, but neither of them had a name for it (or at least one that was accepted as real move name), but I'm pretty sure that Bret called it The Sharpshooter to go with his Hitman name.

[Prototype]

Bret "The Hitman" Hart.

Hitman...Sharpshooter.

Dory Funk Jnr and Riki Chosu used the move before, but neither of them had a name for it (or at least one that was accepted as real move name), but I'm pretty sure that Bret called it The Sharpshooter to go with his Hitman name.

:worship :worship no argument there :worship :worship

[Anime_Otaku]

okay name Famous wrestlers (World or IC champ minimum) that have had a nationality gimmick but were not from that country

also the proper name for the sharpshooter is the Scorpion Death Lock (i always wondered why The Rock didn't use that name since he did his sharpshooter differently from Bret Hart's version)

[wyndorf]

Chris2k, What is the history of the 'King of the Ring' tournament?

Were Harley Race, Duggan, Haku etc... All King's of the Ring or were they 'King's of the WWF' Are the King of the WWF and the King of the Ring title's connected, or are they seperate?

[Chris2K]

The King of the Ring situation is more to do with broadcasting. 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989 and 1991 all had tournaments that weren't really broadcasted as strongly, so I believe the WWE don't actually acknowledge them as greatly as they do for 1993 onwards.

[Darkstar]

also the proper name for the sharpshooter is the Scorpion Death Lock (i always wondered why The Rock didn't use that name since he did his sharpshooter differently from Bret Hart's version)


The SDL works on the opposite leg to a Sharpshooter, so they are different moves (well variations of one move) and have different names.

[Anime_Otaku]

is it a definatly different move and not just left handed?

[Kakarot]

okay name Famous wrestlers (World or IC champ minimum) that have had a nationality gimmick but were not from that country

Well Roddy Piper for starters. I guess Yokozona as well, but I dont recall them every mentioning Japan by name. It's just the sumo thing.

[wyndorf]

I always thought the Scorpian Deathlock was a one handed move, where as the Sharpshooter is a two handed move.

[malaphesto]

Who shot Dino Bravo? and have they been cuaght yet?

[Darkstar]

Who shot Dino Bravo? and have they been cuaght yet?


No one knows, so no!

[Chris2K]

As Darkstar said... get out of my thread :P

He was shot by a load of mafia people due to his involvement in cigarette smuggling. They'll never find out who the culprit was.

[MrFill]

Dory Funk Jnr and Riki Chosu used the move before, but neither of them had a name for it (or at least one that was accepted as real move name), but I'm pretty sure that Bret called it The Sharpshooter to go with his Hitman name.
Not to mention that Ted Dibiase used to use the move as a mid-match submission rather than a finisher, but it was always called as a "modified" move rather than naming it

[Darkstar]

As Darkstar said... get out of my thread :P

He was shot by a load of mafia people due to his involvement in cigarette smuggling. They'll never find out who the culprit was.


Although thats only the prominant theory! No proof exists that this is true. It was the presence of I belive 14 spent bullet cases around his body that made the police think it was a proffesional hit!

[Fully]

I didnt want to ask a question to someone who probably has benn a fan longer than me, and not as big of a fan, but Ill swallow my pride....

Okay, In the WCW there was a tag team called The Wild Samons towards the end of the 80's. Obviously, Rikishi/Fatu was Fatu in that team but was the other member the same wrestler who tagged with Fatu in the WWF as the Headshrinkers. I think it is but my mate says is a different guy.

Thanks

[Fully]

Well Roddy Piper for starters. I guess Yokozona as well, but I dont recall them every mentioning Japan by name. It's just the sumo thing.

No offense but did you have the sound on during a Yokozuna match! Japan was constantly referenced and even if you missed that the huge Japanese Flag they waved might have been a giveaway

Was Ludvig Borga actaully from Finland?

The Rougeaus brothers, well one of them at least, wasnt from France.

[Darkstar]

Yoko was Samoan! Not Japanese! :P

[Fully]

Yeh but he was billed as Japanese and that person was saying he never heard Japan mentioned. I was pretty sure he wasnt Japanese but know he was billed that way

[Darkstar]

I know, I was backing up your point! :D

And were the Rougeus (sp) supposed to be Canadian anyway?? Chris?

[Rock]

Was the Butterbean vs Bart Gunn a real boxing match ???

[Anime_Otaku]

no it wasn't a real boxing match... it didn't last long enough to be a match but it was a real beating and a legit KO!

[Rock]

but it was a real beating and a legit KO!

Thats what i meant.. If it was a real punch etc

[Dave7g]

looking at the slo mo replay of the punch will clarify that it was a devastating blow, Gunns head looked as if it was gonna twist off!

[Chris2K]

The Rougeaus were definitely Canadian, despite a small spell in the 80s when they claimed to be American to draw heel heat.

Jacques Rougeau was also The Mountie, and you wouldn't have a Mountie gimmick if you weren't Canadian! :P.

And, did you know that in WCW in 1997, Jacques Rougeau defeated Hulk Hogan by pinfall CLEANLY!

[Darkstar]

And, did you know that in WCW in 1997, Jacques Rougeau defeated Hulk Hogan by pinfall CLEANLY!


Woah there! Say again! More info please Chris.

[Chris2K]

From Rougeau himself on Canada's Slam Wrestling:

rock sandhu: How did Hulk Hogan agree to loose to you. Did you have to beg WCW and Hogan for that favour?

Jacques : I never dealt with WCW for this decision. I strictly dealt with Hulk. And the answer that Hulk gave me was that after 10 years of being in opening bouts, he respected the Rougeau family and me enough to come up here and make me look like a king. He said this was my home in Montreal and he wanted to make me look like a king. And I will be indebted to him forever.

[Darkstar]

Thats given me a lot more respect of Hogan than I ever did before.

[Kakarot]

Right I've got one. We all know RKO is the youngest WWE champion ever. But who is the youngest man to hold ANY belt in a major company in recent history. And by recent I mean as far back as you can remember. (BTW I dont know the answer). Just for kicks lets have the oldest too.

[MartynJ]

is it true that the same acter has played kane from the beginning, i think theres been 3 different ones *** when i watch my old tapes he looks thinner and not the same build, but ive been told its the same guy, its a question thats been anoying me for about a year,

[Fully]

Jacko - Its been the same guy from the moment he ripped open the cell door until now. Glen Jacobs. The man who also played Issac Yankem in WWf I belive and the Fake Desiel

[Chris2K]

jacko - WWE-wise the youngest holder of any title is Rene Dupree, who won the Tag Titles with Sylvain Grenier at 18. Oldest would be Vince when he won the World Title in 1999 at the age of 55.

I'll try to look for older/younger people around the world.

[Rock]

Can you list the top 5 wrestlers to have the most matches in PPVs

[Chris2K]

That's going to take some time, but it should be quite nice to work out :)

[Fully]

Hogan must be close to the top of that last as not only was he the Face of WWF PPV's for years, but he booked himself ina sereis of appallingly bad matches in WCW PPV's for years to. There might be some interesting entires in there though. Someone like Benoit who has benn on ECW, WCW and WWE might get a shout but I doubt it.

[Chris2K]

I'm only doing WWF/E PPVs for the time being. Nearly finished that list.

[Rock]

I'm only doing WWF/E PPVs for the time being. Nearly finished that list.

At a slight guess i will go for...

1. Undertaker
2. Hogan
3. HBK
4. Bret
5. A suprise, but i will say Bradshaw

[Prototype]

At a slight guess i will go for...

1. Undertaker
2. Hogan
3. HBK
4. Bret
5. A suprise, but i will say Bradshaw

I think I'd agree with that list only in different positions.

1) Undertaker
2) Bret Hart
3) Hulk Hogan
4) HBK
5) The Rock

[Floyd]

it might be a dumb question but can you tell me why hulk hogan went to being called hollywood hogan and mr america? was it some kind of conractual thing or was it a creative thing?
thanks

[Anime_Otaku]

it was creative i think... when he turned heel in WCW he was called 'hollywood' Hogan and the Mr America was a very bad gimmick where hewas 'fired' as Hulk Hogan after Zach Gowen was defeated by Mr McMahon so came back under a mask that fooled no one to continue fighting with Zach against Mr McMahon

[Chris2K]

He's called Hollywood Hogan now as the deal between WWE and Marvel Comics has reached an end, so the name Hulk can't be used.

[Sparvid]

Who has went from debuting in WWE (without making a big name for themselves elsewhere first) to winning the WWE title in the shortest time?

[Kakarot]

Brock Lesnar if Im not mistaken.

Debut - March 18th 2002
First WWE title - August 25th at Summerslam

That makes it just over 5 months

[Chris2K]

Yeah, that seems the correct answer in recent times. As I don't know debut dates of people from the past, I can't check.

[Fully]

Brock is the right question for that answer! Although if we are talking about debuts in an actual promotion Flair's WWF title win cant be far behind. Kurt Angle only took a matter of months to get the title as well didnt he. Maybe about 10 months to a year.

[Rock]

I'm only doing WWF/E PPVs for the time being. Nearly finished that list.

How far are you?

[Kakarot]

Brock is the right question for that answer!

uhhh, read that through again will ya fella.

OK, who's the smallest (i.e weight and height) world champion in recent history?

[DC]

uhhh, read that through again will ya fella.

OK, who's the smallest (i.e weight and height) world champion in recent history?I would have to say Taz(z) in ECW. 5'8" and 240lbs.

[Mark]

I've got ROH champ Austin Aries at 5'9" and 202lbs but you never know with "worked" vital statistics.

[Chris2K]

Here's the full list that I've compiled of WWF/E PPV apperances:

The Undertaker 99
Hunter Hearst Helmsley/Triple H 86
Black Knight/Isaac Yankem/Fake Diesel/Kane 69
Shawn Michaels 67
Rocky Maivia/The Rock 66
Ringmaster/Steve Austin 61
Chris Jericho 60
Kurt Angle 60
Bret Hart 59
Billy Gunn/Rockabilly 57
Owen Hart/Blue Blazer 57
Edge 56
Christian 52
Davey Boy Smith/British Bulldog 47
Justin Hawk Bradshaw/Bradshaw/JBL 47
1-2-3 Kid/X-Pac 45
Paul Wight/The Big Show 45
Buh Buh Ray Dudley 44
Chris Benoit 44
Mankind/Cactus Jack/Dude Love/Mick Foley 43
Faarooq 42
D-Von Dudley 41
Dustin Rhodes/Goldust/Dustin Runnels 40
Fatu/The Sultan/Rikishi Phatu 39
Eddie Guerrero 38
The Roadie/Road Dogg 37
Big Boss Man 35
Matt Hardy 34
Rob Van Dam 34
Booker T 32
Hulk Hogan/Hollywood Hogan/Mr. America 32
Jeff Hardy 32
Sparky Plugg/Bob Holly/Hardcore Holly 32
Test 30
Trish Stratus 28
Jeff Jarrett 27
Ken Shamrock 27
Leif Cassidy/Al Snow 27
Razor Ramon/Scott Hall 27
D'Lo Brown 25
Mabel/Viscera 25
Papa Shango/Kama/The Godfather/Goodfather 25
Randy Savage 25
Jake Roberts 24
Prince Albert/Albert/A-Train 24
Ted DiBiase 24
Val Venis 24
Animal 23
Hawk 23
Kwang/Savio Vega 23
Brock Lesnar 22
Crush/Brian Clarke 22
Diesel/Kevin Nash 22
Ric Flair 22
Bart Gunn 21
Jim Neidhart 21
Marty Jannetty 21
Phinneus Godwinn/Dennis Knight/Mideon 21
Steven Regal/William Regal 21
Tito Santana 21
Yokozuna 21
Henry Godwinn/Mark Canterbury 20
Jacques Rougeau/The Mountie 20
Rick Martel 20
Scott Taylor/Scotty 2 Hotty 20
Vader 20
Hercules 19
Rey Mysterio Jr. 19
Ultimate Warrior 19
Bam Bam Bigelow 18
Earthquake/Golga 18
Greg Valentine 18
Jerry Lawler 18
John Cena 18
Mr. Perfect 18
Smash/Repoman 18
Ahmed Johnson 17
Chyna 17
Mark Henry 17
Mike Rotunda/Irwin. R. Sheister 17
Steve Blackman 17
Jim Duggan 16
Marc Mero 16
Shelton Benjamin 16
Tajiri 16
Lance Storm 15
Mosh/Chaz 15
Randy Orton 15
Sid Justice/Sycho Sid 15
Brian Christopher/GrandMaster Sexay 14
Charlie Haas 14
Haku/King Tonga 14
Lita 14
Scott Steiner 14
Tatanka 14
Tazz 14
Warlord 14
Andre the Giant 13
Brutus Beefcake 13
Don Harris/8-Ball 13
Honky Tonk Man 13
Perry Saturn 13
Recon/Bull Buchanan 13
Rhyno 13
Ron Harris/Skull 13
Shane McMahon 13
Thrasher 13
Ax 12
Barbarian/Sionne 12
Bushwhacker Butch Miller 12
Bushwhacker Luke Williams 12
Crash Holly 12
Nikolai Volkoff 12
Rene Dupree 12
Roddy Piper 12
Sable 12
Spike Dudley 12
Batista 11
Billy Kidman 11
Chavo Guerrero 11
Dino Bravo 11
Ivory 11
Koko B. Ware 11
Lex Luger 11
Rick Rude 11
Victoria 11
Vince McMahon 11
Akeem/One Man Gang 10
Chuck Palumbo 10
Molly Holly 10
Samu 10
Sho Funaki 10
Typhoon/Tugboat 10
Bad News Brown 9
Flash Funk/Too Cold Scorpio 9
Hurricane 9
Jacqueline 9
Raymond Rougeau 9
Sgt. Slaughter 9
Sylvan Grenier 9
TAKA Michinoku 9
Virgil 9
Brian Lee/Chainz 8
Doink 8
Goldberg 8
Jamie Noble 8
Jazz 8
Jimmy Snuka 8
Paul Roma 8
Raven 8
Rob Conway 8
Tom Prichard/Zip 8
Torrie Wilson 8
Adam Bomb/Brian Adams 7
Bob Backlund 7
Brian Knobbs 7
Danny Basham 7
Doug Basham 7
Dusty Rhodes 7
Gangrel 7
Jerry Sags 7
Kerry von Erich 7
King Kong Bundy 7
Maven 7
Red Rooster 7
Boris Zuhkov 6
Dean Malenko 6
Don Muraco 6
Dynamite Kid 6
Iron Sheik/Col. Mustafa 6
Luna 6
Luther Reigns 6
Rick Steiner 6
Ricky Steamboat 6
Skip 6
Terry Funk/Chainsaw Charlie 6
Aldo Montoya/Justin Credible 5
Arn Anderson 5
Barry Windham 5
Beau Beverley 5
Blake Beverley 5
Dawn Marie 5
Diamond Dallas Page 5
Eugene 5
Hillbilly Jim 5
Jim Brunzell 5
Jonathan "The Coach" Coachman 5
Junkyard Dog 5
Mark Jindrak 5
Mo 5
Pat Tanaka 5
Pierre Ouelette/Jean Pierre Lafite 5
Rico 5
Rosey 5
Sato 5
Stacy Keibler 5
Steven Richards 5
Alundra Blayze 4
Brian Blair 4
Danny Davis 4
Darren Drosdov/Droz 4
Doug Furnas 4
Duke Droesse 4
Gene Snitsky 4
Hakushi 4
Harley Race 4
Jesus Castillo 4
Jorge Estrada 4
Ken Patera 4
Kenzo Suzuki 4
Kurrgan 4
Migual Perez 4
Nunzio 4
Paul London 4
Phil LeFon 4
Ron Bass 4
Shane Douglas/Dean Douglas 4
Skinner 4
Tori 4
Tully Blanchard 4
Barry Horowitz 3
Bobby Heenan 3
Brian Pillman 3
Butch Reed 3
Eric Bischoff 3
Fabulous Moolah 3
Garrison Cade 3
Genichiro Tenryu 3
Heidenreich 3
Jamal 3
Jim Powers 3
Jimmy Del Ray 3
John Studd 3
Kamala 3
K-Kwik 3
Lelani Kai 3
Mens Teioh 3
Miss Jackie 3
Miss Kitty/The Kat 3
Paul Orndorff 3
Razor Ramon II 3
Ricky Morton 3
Robert Gibson 3
Ronnie Garvin 3
Sean O'Haire 3
Shannon Moore 3
Shawn Stasiak 3
Stephanie McMahon-Helmsley 3
Terri Runnels 3
The Berzerker 3
Tyson Tomko 3
Adrian Adonis 2
Aguila/Essa Rios 2
Bertha Faye 2
Butterbean 2
Chris Kanyon 2
Christopher Nowinski 2
Dan Severn 2
Daniel Puder 2
Danny Spivey/Waylon Mercy 2
Dick Togo 2
Dory Funk 2
Duane Gill/Gillberg 2
Gail Kim 2
George Steele 2
Giant Gonzales 2
Hugh Morrus/Bill DeMott 2
Joey Abs 2
Johnny Stamboli 2
Judy Martin 2
Ludwig Borga 2
Mantaur/Tank 2
Matt Morgan 2
Max Moon 2
Michael Hayes 2
Mordecai 2
Mr. T 2
Muhammed Hassan 2
Nailz 2
Nidia 2
Orlando Jordan 2
Pete Gas 2
Rockin' Robin 2
Rodney 2
Sam Houston 2
Sherri Martel 2
Sniper 2
Spanky 2
Tama 2
The Blue Meanie/Bluedust 2
The Patriot 2
Tommy Dreamer 2
Tony Atlas/Saba Simba 2
Zach Gowen 2
Zeus 2
Akio 1
B.B. 1
Bastion Booger 1
Billy Jack Haynes 1
Bob Orton 1
Bruce Hart 1
Bruno Sammartino 1
Buddy Landel 1
Buddy Rose 1
Bull Nakano 1
Carlito Carribbean Cool 1
Carlos Colon 1
Carmella Descandre 1
Christy Hemme 1
Cpl. Kirschner 1
Damien Demento 1
David Sammartino 1
Dawn Marie 1
Debra 1
Desiree Peterson 1
Dick Murdock 1
Doug Gilbert 1
Drew Carey 1
Ernest Miller 1
General Adnan 1
George Wells 1
Gerry Brisco 1
Giant Silva 1
Great Sasuke 1
Head 1
Headshrinker #1 1
Headshrinker #2 1
Jesus Aguilara 1
Jim Ross 1
John Hennigan 1
Keith Hart 1
Koji Kitao 1
Lanny Poffo 1
Latin Lover 1
Lawrence Taylor 1
Mae Young 1
Matt Cappotelli 1
Mike Awesome 1
Mike Mizanin 1
Mr. Hughes 1
Nathan Jones 1
Pantera 1
Pat Patterson 1
Paul Ellering 1
Paul Heyman 1
Rad Radford 1
Rodney Mack 1
Sapphire 1
Scott Casey 1
Scott Putski 1
SD Jones 1
Shaniqua 1
Sika 1
Simon Dean 1
Steven Dunn 1
Takao Omari 1
Ted Arcidi 1
Terry Gordy 1
The Great Kabuki 1
Tiger Ali Singh 1
Timothy Well 1
Tom Brandi 1
Tom Zenk 1
Ultimo Dragon 1
Uncle Elmer 1
Wendi Richter 1

[Rock]

:thumbsup

Nice work there Chris2k...

How many hrs did that take you

[Chris2K]

About 12 in total I'd say. I couldn't do it all in one go, so I just did it in installments.

[Rock]

:worship Impressive i must admitt..

And have got to say, there is some suprising names near the top there...

Anyway, am on to thinking of a new question, that might prove as challenging...

[Rock]

How many people have held the WWF/WWE world title before they decided to have a main title for each brand...

[Chris2K]

31. Brock Lesnar was the last before the split titles.

It's 29 if you don't include the undisputed title, with Kurt Angle being the last.

[Rock]

How many times has the WWE/WWF world title changed hands not at a PPV..

[Chris2K]

The first WWE PPV was in 1985, so there were 13 before that (mainly because Bruno Sammartino held the title for an 8 year reign and a 4 year reign). Since then I'm gonna guess at around 13 or 14, the last one was Austin beating Angle on October 8th 2001.

The RAW title only changed hands on a RAW when HHH was awarded the title on September 2nd 2002.

[Quote the Raven]

Road Dogg was released from WWF/E I beleive due to drug abuse involving pain killers, what was the other half of New Age Outlaws Billy Gunn released for? And if possible other former members of DX

[DC]

Road Dogg was released from WWF/E I beleive due to drug abuse involving pain killers, what was the other half of New Age Outlaws Billy Gunn released for? And if possible other former members of DXHe was released from his contract I believe '*** WWE wouldn't pay his value anymore.

And with the smallest World champ, the ROH isn't classed as a World title, is it?

[Rock]

Who has won the most title matches in the WWE...( all titles included )

[Chris2K]

All titles included you're probably looking at Raven just for his 27 Hardcore Title reigns.

Ignoring Hardcore title matches it goes to:

HHH - 18
Edge - 16
Christian - 15
The Rock - 14
Chris Jericho - 13
Steve Austin - 12

[GENE]

hey chrissy boy your wrong dawn marie has fought at more than 1 pay per view and giant gulga has fought at more than what u said

[Anime_Otaku]

dawn marie has definatle been is a few wwe PPV's

[Colin]

About 12 in total I'd say. I couldn't do it all in one go, so I just did it in installments.

Chris, I think the list is slightly flawed. I can take a guess where you got all your info, but your taking it as matches there were involved in, not just PPV appearances... well that's what I got from the list. It's an awesome list of PPV matches wrestled, but not really an appearance list, I don't think so anyway.

[Chris2K]

GENE: There are two Dawn Maries. One wrestled at an early Survivor Series, the other, aka the one around now, has 5 PPV matches.

I'm not saying the list is 100% accurate, because it's not. I didn't include midget matches for example, and human error will always creep in. That list is just what I found out, and if you wish to do your own to find out how wrong I was, you have my permission :)

Col: The list is a list of PPV matches people have competed in. It's my fault for using the word appearances, sorry :).

[Floyd]

what event did kurt angle beat austin to win the gold?? the ppv also featured stacy in a lingerie match. i think it was no way out or no mercy. your help is appreciated

[GENE]

angle beat austin at unfogiven 2001 to win the gold and stacys lingeria match wasat no mercy 2001 against torrie wilson

[Chris2K]

Yes. He's right. Apologies for not answering sooner.

[wyndorf]

Chris2K, How many televised matches did the Ultimate Warrior and Rick Rude have? (against each other)

[Chris2K]

I can tell you they had four PPV matches (2 singles, 1 cage, 1 posedown), but as for TV matches I'm not sure, as there's nowhere I can find that has results of late 80s WWF TV shows.

EDIT: Found they had a match on the July 28th edition of Saturday Night Main Event. I think that's it though.

[wyndorf]

I can tell you they had four PPV matches (2 singles, 1 cage, 1 posedown), but as for TV matches I'm not sure, as there's nowhere I can find that has results of late 80s WWF TV shows.

EDIT: Found they had a match on the July 28th edition of Saturday Night Main Event. I think that's it though.

Thank you sir! :xyx

[MARTIN316V1]

Ok, here's something ive never understood so i thought id stick it in here.

Seeing as Heat is taped before Raw, how come when they show Heat, the commentators talk about what happened on the Raw even if the show hasent even took place yet. You can see the commentators are at the commentary table (Coach and Todd Grisham were the Heat commentators when i was at the Raw tapings in Manchester last year, and i even heared parts of their commentary) but how can they talk about Raw if Heat is taped before the actual Raw show?

[Anime_Otaku]

i'd never thought of that, maybe the heat is from the week after?

[Russ]

Look at their mouths when they're sitting at ringside. They're not talking. WWE dub in the commentary for Velocity and Heat at a later date.

[Kakarot]

Has anyone other than Mick Foley ever gone from being a no name jobber (televised or non-televised) to holding a major WWF/E belt?

[wyndorf]

Has anyone other than Mick Foley ever gone from being a no name jobber (televised or non-televised) to holding a major WWF/E belt?

Good question.

Maybe the Hardys?

[Ravenmark]

Dwayne Gill?

He held the Lightheavyweight - not major, but it's still a title.

Ric Flair was a jobber back in the old WWWF, I think? Please correct me!

[Chris2K]

Most people are jobbers at some point, but Foley's probably the one who's gone from one extreme to the other the furthest.

EDIT: According to my sources, Flair didn't enter the W/WWF/E until his move from WCW in 1991.

[Dan]

Falir did actually spend some time in the WWWF ( it may have just been one match) but he fought Pete Sanchez at Madion Sqaure Garden in 1976. I think this was probably just a short term deal, I don't think he was a jobber, as he spent most of his time in the AWA, then went to Mid Atlantic promotions.

[Chris2K]

Any more questions? :P

[Rock]

Who has played the most characters in the WWE

[Chris2K]

In the WWE it must be Glenn Jacobs, playing four (Black Knight, Isaac Yankem DDS, Fake Diesel, Kane).

Ed Leslie would probably win the overall one, playing:

Dizzy Hogan
Eddie Boulder
Eddie Golden
Brutus Beefcake
The Barber
Furface
Bruther Bruti
The Butcher
The Man With No Name
The Zodiac
The Bootyman
The Disciple
Ed Leslie

[Rock]

Question 1.....

How many superstars have held the I.C title...

Question 2.....

How many superstars who have won the I.C title, gone on to win the World title...

Question 3.....

What tag team have had the longest run as tag team champions...

[Chris2K]

1. 54 different people have held the IC Title.

2. The following have gone on to win a World Title:

Randy Savage
Ultimate Warrior
Rick Rude
Bret Hart
Shawn Michaels
Diesel
Jeff Jarrett
Triple H
The Rock
Steve Austin
Chris Jericho
Kurt Angle
Chris Benoit
Eddie Guerrero
Randy Orton

Both Kane and Booker T won the IC Title for the first time after winning a World Title before.

3. In the W/WWF/E, Karl Gotch and Rene Goulet held the title from 6th December 1971 to 1st February 1973.

[voodoo]

Who has had the shortest ever title reign that was not in the storyline for the match? I know that HHH was seemingly beaten several times by people but kept the title for some reason.

[Rock]

Can you comply a list of the stars who have won the most matches at a WWE/F PPV

[MARTIN316V1]

Name all the superstars that were drafted to Raw/SD at the very first draft lottery that have never changed shows (Ie. Started on Raw, have never jumped to Smackdown, and are still on Raw)

[Chris2K]

Who has had the shortest ever title reign that was not in the storyline for the match? I know that HHH was seemingly beaten several times by people but kept the title for some reason.

World Title wise then Yokozuna at WM9 when he held it for three minutes.

Otherwise you have to look at the less than ten second reigns of some Hardcore champions.

Can you comply a list of the stars who have won the most matches at a WWE/F PPV

I'm kinda working on another big project at the moment, so that'll have to wait.

Name all the superstars that were drafted to Raw/SD at the very first draft lottery that have never changed shows (Ie. Started on Raw, have never jumped to Smackdown, and are still on Raw)

I'm just doing ones still under WWE contract.

RAW

Kane (except for guesting on SD for Taker's eulogy)
William Regal
Lita (except for one appearance as a Velocity colour commentator)
Steven Richards
Trish Stratus
Molly Holly

SMACKDOWN


Kurt Angle
Billy Kidman
Torrie Wilson
Scotty Too Hotty
Tazz
Hardcore Holly

[Ravenmark]

Just to add to the IC title winners, becoming World Champions...

Curt Hennig won held the IC title and also won the AWA World Title.

[Evil Gringo]

I believe it was meant to be in the WWF...

But also add to that list of former WWWF/WWF/WWE employees who won the IC after the World Title a certain Pedro Morales, the first man to win the IC after the World title....

HHH then broke the unspoken rule with his win over Chris Jericho in 2001... Then Kane, Booker, Jericho himself....

Booker is included because he won the WWE owned WCW World Title... The WWE/F never booked Curt to win the AWA title, theres the differance....

[Ravenmark]

The WWF never booked Jeff Jarrett to win a World title either - that was WCW.

As was Rick Rude.

Unless you were covering WCW under the WWF name?

[Evil Gringo]

Twas what I meant... sorry I didn't make it clear Ravenmark... Your right what I meant was when the WWE/F owned the WCW as a company and booked Booker, Angle, Rock and Jericho to be its champions...

Also can anyone name all the wrestlers that have been both IC and US champion? Including those before the buyout?

[Ravenmark]

Scott Hall.
Booker T.
Ricky Steamboat.
Greg Valentine.
Roddy Piper.
Rick Rude.
Steve Austin.
Eddie Guerrero
Curt Hennig/Mr Perfect.
Bret Hart.
Chris Benoit.
Jeff Jarrett.
Lance Storm.
Shane Douglas (Dean Douglas in WWF)
Kurt Angle
Edge

All the above have held the US and IC titles!

[Chris2K]

Since buyout:

Eddie Guerrero
Booker T
Edge
Kurt Angle

Before buy-out:

Lance Storm
Shane Douglas
Chris Benoit
Scott Hall
Bret Hart
Roddy Piper
Curt Hennig
Jeff Jarrett
Steve Austin
Ricky Steamboat
Dustin Rhodes
Rick Rude
Greg Valentine

[Evil Gringo]

I'm pretty sure Eddie belongs before buy out as he was US champ in WCW before the Radicalz switch and was the IC champ in the WWF before the fall of WCW....

Just a minor quibble to a awesome list...

[Chris2K]

True, I was just working back from 2005 to make it easier for me.

Ravenmark and I have the same list except for one name that he forgot. Anyone spot it? (Answer must also include a new question :P)

[Evil Gringo]

Dustin Rhodes.... Simply because he was Goldust when he won the IC title in the WWF/E...

How many ECW superstars went to the other big two and won titles... names and titles please...

[Chris2K]

Is that won titles in both feds or just the one?

[Evil Gringo]

Either... Just a list of guys from ECW who moved or worked in other feds and won titles....

[DC]

Raven, Tommy Dreamer, Shane Douglas, Tazz, Jerry Lynn, RVD, Lance Storm, All 3 Dudleys, Mike Awesome, Tajiri, Rhyno, Sandman, Bam Bam, Chris Candido, Jericho, Eddie, Dean, Benoit, Saturn, Foley, all of the top of my head.

[Ravenmark]

I think I know the answer to this but...

Did anyone ever hold the WCW Hardcore and WWF hardcore title?

Not at the same time obviously!

[voodoo]

Whatever happened to the mini wrestlers that featured in the mid to late 90's in the wwe and often had big tag matches with sunny as guest referree? I think it was then anyway. they seemed to have a safe position on raw at the time and were there every week or at least it seemed as though they did.

[Ravenmark]

I think I know the answer to this but...

Did anyone ever hold the WCW Hardcore and WWF hardcore title?

Not at the same time obviously!

I'm answering my own question here, but it was Johnny Stamboli. :xyx

[Anime_Otaku]

All 3 Dudleys.

i know you mean bubba, d-von and spike but there were actually alot more than three dudleys

[DC]

i know you mean bubba, d-von and spike but there were actually alot more than three dudleys
Not in WWE or WCW, which is answering the question asked. There was Big Dick, Dances with, Dudley, Sign Guy, Snot for a start. And don't forget Big Daddy Dudley.

[MartynJ]

I asked this question in a post a few weeks ago, but what has happened to RON SIMMONS aka FAROOQ? i know in the storyline heyman fired him, but whats happened to him in real life has he retired?

[DC]

I asked this question in a post a few weeks ago, but what has happened to RON SIMMONS aka FAROOQ? i know in the storyline heyman fired him, but whats happened to him in real life has he retired?As far as I'm aware he has retired from in ring action, but Vince is using him behind the scenes and at personal appearances.

[Sparvid]

Watching the RVD DVD where ha talks about nearly injuring his eye got me thinking - Has there ever been a (somewhat famous) wrestler with only one working eye? Even though I'm guessing it would be much more difficult in the ring without peripheral vision...

[S-3]

Since others have done so, I shall too.

Mr. Chris Two K, These Two Questions should stump you. Name the first official ECW Champion and name the first person to ride a Motorcycle down to the ring.

[Chris2K]

Haven't found anyone who only had one eye, but I did find a story about a guy who wrestled in an amateur format with several disabilities:

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortwayne/sports/columnists/ben_smith/10891389.htm

Jimmy Snuka was the first official ECW champion, but I have no idea about the motorcycle.

Don't forget this thread is for genuine queries rather than trying to stump me though :).

[The Maxx]

Watching the RVD DVD where ha talks about nearly injuring his eye got me thinking - Has there ever been a (somewhat famous) wrestler with only one working eye? Even though I'm guessing it would be much more difficult in the ring without peripheral vision...


What about Scotty Riggs of Raven's Flock fame? He wrestled with a patch over his eye for several monthe due to Raven giving him that drop toe hold into a steel chair. Also ther was that French Canadian guy who wrestled with an eye patch as well, but his name escapes me at the moment.

[Inno]

Jean Pierre LaFitte, I think you mean - real name Pierre Carl Oulette - lost his eye at 12 after an accident with a Gun, I think. Lost his eye, but found Bret's jacket...

[S-3]

Haven't found anyone who only had one eye, but I did find a story about a guy who wrestled in an amateur format with several disabilities:

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortwayne/sports/columnists/ben_smith/10891389.htm

Jimmy Snuka was the first official ECW champion, but I have no idea about the motorcycle.

Don't forget this thread is for genuine queries rather than trying to stump me though :).

It was Eric Bischoff. He did it in WCW. Anyway now for my genuine query. Who was the first winner of the CZW cage Of Death?

[wyndorf]

Jean Pierre LaFitte, I think you mean - real name Pierre Carl Oulette - lost his eye at 12 after an accident with a Gun, I think. Lost his eye, but found Bret's jacket...

Jake Roberts was blinded by ‘Arrogance’ and although he recovered, he still occasionally wrestles blind..................blind drunk that is! Ha Ha Ha Mwah ha!!

[Chris2K]

From ObsessedWithWrestling:

The first Cage of Death match had taken place on October 16, 1999 in Mantua, NJ. It was CZW's lucky 13th show in their early existence. The main event featured a battle for CZW's Iron Man title as then champion Lobo faced Justice Pain. With the help of Pain's rival at the time Nick Gage,who had electrified one side of the cage to cause Justice Pain to be electrocuted, Lobo was triumphant and retained his title.

[Dan]

I could be way off here, but Animal, Hawk and Paul Ellering came to the ring on motorbikes at Summerslam 1992, thats the first time I've seen that, but it may have happened before.

[Anime_Otaku]

that article about the disabled guy made me wanna puke! good for him trying to do what he wants to do but the tone of the article was so 'awww he's so brave' it's stuff like that thatmakes life harder for me just trying to get on with life.

[DC]

I could be way off here, but Animal, Hawk and Paul Ellering came to the ring on motorbikes at Summerslam 1992, thats the first time I've seen that, but it may have happened before.Don't forget Rocko either Bub, he was riding pillion that day. ;)

[Anime_Otaku]

I'd say it was LOD at Summerslam oo, can't think of hearing of it happening before

[Rock]

To settle an aguement... Has Tyson Tomko always ben played by the same person ???

[The Maxx]

Who else in there right mind would wanna play that worthless pile?

[Evil Gringo]

Yes he has is what Maxx is trying to say... Who else is that tall, talentless, tatoo'd exactly the same and can grow a bread that makes him look a perfect Slayer fan?

[malaphesto]

What was the first houseshow, Raw & Smackdown to have a title change

[Ravenmark]

What was the first houseshow, Raw & Smackdown to have a title change

That's a tough one.

There have been many title changes on house shows, specifically in the eighties, however, the title changes were never acknowledged on TV.

But the majority of title changes were not done on TV, I think anyway. They were usually done in large arena shows, specifically at MSG.

I think the Rockers won the tag titles on a house show, but then it wasn't acknowledged on TV(I think that was when the Rockers got fired).

Bret Hart won his first WWF title on a house show from Ric Flair.

Diesal (Kevin Nash) won the WWF title from Bob Backlund on a house show.

But I still don't know the first EVER house show title change :(

[malaphesto]

what about the first time a title changed on RAW & Smackdown?

[Dan]

what about the first time a title changed on RAW & Smackdown?

I've had a look and this is the first itle change I could find from Smackdown ;

August 26, 1999: Billy Gunn pinned Jeff Jarrett...World Tag Team Champions, The Big Show and The Undertaker, defeated Kane and X-Pac and The Acolytes in a three way match...The Big Boss Man pinned Al Snow to win the Hardcore title...Jesse James defeated Chris Jericho by Disqualification...Shane McMahon pinned Mankind...Tori defeated Ivory in an evening gown match...World Heavyweight Champion, Hunter Hearst Helmsley, pinned Rocky Maivia.

As for RAW;

May 17, 1993: The Smoking Gunns defeated Tony Vadja and Glenn Ruth...The Kid pinned Razor Ramon... Tatanka pinned Scott Taylor...Yokozuna pinned Kamala...Marty Jannetty pinned Shawn Michaels to win the Intercontinental Title.

Credit -WIA

These are the changes I found, not sure if there was any before.

[GENE]

were are justin credible,jerry lynn,why did wwe let them and raven go because there better than most of the trash in wwe at the momemnt also were are vampiro,balls mahoney,big vito ,crowbar sid vicious and what ever happened to jody fleish

[Evil Gringo]

Justin Credible is bouncing around the indy world at the moment... He wrestled some dates for TNA, RoH and AJPW amongst others since his depature from the WWE...

Jerry Lynn has a serious injury that has forced him to cease action for the moment. He is currently working as a road agent in TNA....

Jody Fleish as far as I know is on the comeback trail for the FWA after retiring for a while die to serious tendon and muscle damage in his hand where I think he was stabbed by an ex-girlfriend....

As for the others, there around the scene somewhere....

[Dan]

Big Vito worked some dates for TNA in 2004 I believe but left the company, think he's had a few WWE dark matches.

As for Sid, please see this thread, should explain everything :xyx

http://www.talkwrestlingonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19599

[GENE]

why was joey styles never signed by wwe

[wyndorf]

why was joey styles never signed by wwe

I'm no expert, but I'd say it's because Joey Styles loathes Vince McMahon and the WWE product. Or simply put, Vince has no interest in him.

[Evil Gringo]

They made him an offer after ECW's dimise and he simply said he could make more money on the indy circuit working some shows and doing his day job. Plus unless he wasa main stream announcer like in ECW then there would be no point....

He would have been another ECW favourite stuck in weekend show hell.

[Russ]

After he turned down WWE, Joey Styles did a series of infomercials about collectable coins.

"oh my...GAWD, a shilling!".

[GENE]

whats joey styles day job and what happened to World Of Wrestling(wow) and power of wrestling magisine(pow)

[Ravenmark]

I think Joey Styles runs 1wrestling.com.

[GENE]

why did wwe never sign sabu and where is the sandman these days

[Ravenmark]

Sabu is nearly always injured and his body is pretty beat up after years of insane bumps.

Sabu is currently out with an infection as a result of an unsterilized needle that he used whilst injecting steroids into his arse.

The Sandman is working various indies at the moment.

[GENE]

look at the big brain on you

[Ravenmark]

look at the big brain on you

:xyx

[GENE]

when wcw was bought in march 01 and ecw ended in january what did most of the talent like rvd ,tommy dreamer,and billykidman etc do before they came to wwe in june/july of that year

[Evil Gringo]

Either sat at home, trained and did some work in the WWE devolopmental feds for a while or in the case of RVD did a little indy work, get stoned, write comics and sell em, get stoned and then make a run in on WWF TV wow everyone and get pushed to the moon only for the invasion to end and Hunter and Taker to kill his push....

[GENE]

why cant taz wrestle any more ie what made him retire and dont you guys think he was made out to be crap at invasion.why were tajira and jerry lynn on the wwfs side during invasion

[Evil Gringo]

Tazz has chosen to retire for one of two reasons if you believe the news... One says he has a beat up neck and back from wrestling over the years and the other says he doesn't feel the same fire in the ring that he did and so wanted to step back and focus on his TV work....

The reason Tazz was made to look bad at first was because he thought he was the best, unbeatable and deserved top billing. So they jobbed him, made fun of him and eventually made him a colour guy with good old MC... Which is his niche if you ask me...

Lynn was ignored for the ECW Invasion by Heyman due to some bad blood over money and having him job the ECW title when he asked for some back wages to pay the bills. He was also being ignored by managment and was just used to put over RVD on heat amongst others until he tore his ACL and released.... Tajiri was on the WWF side due to a storyline they worked out over Torrie and other things. For some reason the managment decided he'd be better served as a WWF fighter... not that I'm gonna argue.

[GENE]

in you guys opinions what has happened to tag team wrestling in the wwe today

[Evil Gringo]

It has suffered from the lack of steady and talented teams which in part was caused by the hasty split of established teams (E&C, The Dud's a while back and The Hardyz) the brand extension and also the throwing together of singles wrestlers that no one buys into as a team....

Tag team wrestling was an art form and the way all stars where blooded in the past, now it has simply been put across as a sideline which is inhabited by bland talentless teams, single wrestlers banded together while they await a push and guys who shouldn't be wrestling...

The WWE needs to sign Jack Evans and Roderick Strong, BJ Whitmer and Maff, re-unite E&C, bring back a rested Duds and put them in good matches that are long and mean something.... At least Tajiri and Regal have history as a team and work well together as do Eddie and Rey on Smackdown....

But lets face it... Tag team wrestling has been on the decline since TLC II, its just been painful to watch its slow death....

[GENE]

im repping you for these answers and do you think the intercontinental title will ever be like the ecw tv title and rival the top title in the company

[Evil Gringo]

Well it used to be up there back in the days of Savage, Steamboat etc... In fact it was a common occurance that most people who held the belt where being thought of as a person who could one day headline or draw....

Examples? Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, The Warrior, Randy Savage etc...

Then the belt was degraded by the way it was used to try and hotshot young and unproven wrestlers to the big time, people like The Rock (first time round), HHH, Ahmed Johnson etc....

Only a few things have helped the IC title since its re-inception is the fact that it isn't passed around as much as it used to be thanks to Orton's nice long run. But the damage that has been done previously and also the amount of titles in the WWE means that it will never truely rank near the top gold again...


It will always be known as a stepping stone or stop gap to the main title, much like the US Title of old and now...

[GENE]

us title used to make u the no 1 contender

[wyndorf]

Chris2K goes away, and Gringo steals his spot, is that why they call you 'Evil' lol

Anyway, do you or anyone else for that matter, know where 'Triple threat/3 way dances' and 'Fatal four way' matches originated from?

[Evil Gringo]

All I know that the 3 Way and triple threat matches where a concept made popular by ECW, most notably on their first ppv... Funk v Sandman v Stevie Richards for the number 1 contendership.... I was gonna say it stole the show but I remember the MPro Six man underneath....

They also used the concept to fill the cards and use over wrestlers who where currently out of long term booking plans such as Super Crazy, Jerry Lynn, Mikey Whipwreck, Tajiri etc...

People who never really got a long program and just went out and put on brillant matches. They'd be full of spots and cool moves and get the crowd warmed up for later in the show....

The WWF and WWE began to use them more and more as well as WCW, copying the concept after years of tag team and singles based compition where you'd take the two faces and two heels and put them on opposite sides in teams or against each other....

The 3 way changed that and allowed new dynamics to be employed and generally like most of ECW's most stolen ideas, freshened up wrestling in general...

But only if done right of course... sometimes its just over kill eg: RoH's midcard....

[DC]

All I know that the 3 Way and triple threat matches where a concept made popular by ECW, most notably on their first ppv... Funk v Sandman v Stevie Richards for the number 1 contendership.... I was gonna say it stole the show but I remember the MPro Six man underneath....

They also used the concept to fill the cards and use over wrestlers who where currently out of long term booking plans such as Super Crazy, Jerry Lynn, Mikey Whipwreck, Tajiri etc...

People who never really got a long program and just went out and put on brillant matches. They'd be full of spots and cool moves and get the crowd warmed up for later in the show....

The WWF and WWE began to use them more and more as well as WCW, copying the concept after years of tag team and singles based compition where you'd take the two faces and two heels and put them on opposite sides in teams or against each other....

The 3 way changed that and allowed new dynamics to be employed and generally like most of ECW's most stolen ideas, freshened up wrestling in general...

But only if done right of course... sometimes its just over kill eg: RoH's midcard....The first three way was when ECW presented "The Night The Line Was Crossed" and involved Shane Douglas, Sabu and Terry Funk. It was a 60 min time-limit draw and is considered one of the greatest matches on US soil. They had a rematch at "The Night The Line Was Crossed....Again". This time Sabu was eliminated first and Douglas pinned Funk after numerous BTB suplexes. Another great one to look out for is Guido v Whipwreck v Simon Diamond, with Whipwrecks sit-out, double-underhook, dominator, stealing move of teh night honours.

[Evil Gringo]

True, true Cage...

Without ECW the three way and four way would never have really got off the ground as a concept. But used them to build up fueds, warm up crowds and weave multiple stories in a way the US scene and indeed wrestling had never seen...

I think it was 5 BTB's of DOOM that finally put away Funk... I think anyway...

[GENE]

where are pow and wow magasine

[Chris2K]

I'm back now, so Gringo can find someone else's popularity to leech off :P

[GENE]

why and when did pow and wow magisines stop

[Dan]

why and when did pow and wow magisines stop


I think it was because Bill Apter closed them down, not sure why, might have been due to money issues etc.

[Evil Gringo]

And because it was incredibly kayfabed and was outsold by the witter, more imformative and better PowerSlam... Which was also cheaper...

And Chris.. I'm still here...

[wyndorf]

Chris2K, how possible is it to change the thread title to 'Ask Gringo'? :P

[GENE]

what happend to marc mero,the headbangers,perry saturn and is it likely jody fleish will make it big in the us

[Dan]

Marc mero - after leaving the WWE he semi retired from wrestling. He worked for Jimmy Hart's XWF show. He then joined TNA late last year, wroked a few shows for them but hasn't worked with them in a while.

Perry Saturn - After leaving the WWE, I think he worked the US indy scene and Japan, worked some NWA TNA shows. He saved a woman from being raped and was injured in the process, I think he was stabbed or shot, it was quite serious and put him out of wrestling for a while. Not 100% sure if he's back.

[Rock]

Of wrestlers who play brothers / family members.... who are real brothers / family members ? ? Past and present...

[Chris2K]

Presently there are no real brothers in the WWE, although there is an uncle/nephew combination (Eddie/Chavo). The following are not real-life siblings:

Kane/Undertaker
Edge/Christian
Danny/Doug Basham

The Shane Twins who are likely to be called up some time soon are real-life twins.

As for the past, there are lots of people to cover. Obvious ones include Matt and Jeff Hardy, Bret and Owen Hart, Rick and Scott Steiner, Booker T and Stevie Ray, Kurt and Eric Angle, Chris, Kerry, David, Kevin, and Mike von Erich, Terry and Dory Funk, Barry and Kendall Windham, Ron and Don Harris, Jack and Jerry Brisco, and many others.

Real brothers that weren't mentioned on screen include Randy Savage and Lanny Poffo, Bobby Heenan and Jerry Valient, Frenchie Marlin and Rick Martel, Tom and Bruce Pritchard and Road Warrior Animal and Johnny Ace.

As for fake brothers, you can look at the Bashams nowadays, as well as the entire Dudley clan, all of whom aren't related. Perhaps the biggest group of fake brothers in wrestling history are the Grahams, Jerry, Eddie, Luke and (Superstar) Billy. Other fake brothers include Ole and Arn Anderson, Jimmy and Ronnie Garvin, Bart and Billy Gunn and Jimmy and Jerry Valient.

As for other types of family connection, 90%. Real life father/sons/daughters include:

Dusty and Dustin Rhodes (Runnells)
Jerry and Jeff Jarrett
Stan and Shawn Stasiak
Stu and Owen/Bret/Dean/Bruce/Keith/Ross/Smith Wayne Hart
Jerry and Brian Lawler
Johnny and Greg Valentine
Bill and Erik Watts
Ric and David Flair
Davey Boy and Harry Smith

Three generations run in the following:

Bob (Sr.), Bob (Jr.) and Randy Orton
Vince (Sr.), Vince (Jr.) and Shane/Stephanie McMahon
Gory, Chavo (Classic) and Chavo (Jr.) Guerrero
The Rock (Dwayne), Rocky Johnson and Peter Maivia

(Rocky Johnson is The Rock's stepfather, not biological)

The best example of a fake father and son would be Paul Bearer and Kane.

Fake cousins include The Holly clan (Molly/Bob/Crash), Jamie Noble and Nunzio, and fake uncle/nephews include Ivan and Nikita Koloff.

But the biggest real family in wrestling is Afa's Samoan family, looking something like this:

Afa & Sika are brothers
Jimmy Snuka is their cousin.
Afa's sons are Samu and The Tahitian Warrior
Afa's nephews are: The Rock, Yokozuna, Rikishi and The Tongan Kid
Afa's uncle is Peter Maivia.

[Dan]

http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/pages/other/relation.htm

Thats pretty much has a full comprehensive list of real and "worked" and family list in wrestling.

[Chris2K]

what happend to marc mero,the headbangers,perry saturn and is it likely jody fleish will make it big in the us

Mosh/Chaz outlasted Thrasher out of the Headbangers and teamed with D'Lo Brown in Lo-Down in 2000. He left soon after and now wrestles on the indies using his real name. Thrasher was forced to retire from the sport due to injury.

As Dan said, Saturn was stabbed whilst saving a woman from a rape. I believe his neck is now something like 75% made of metal, yet he's still wrestling.

I believe Jody Fleisch has retired from wrestling because his body couldn't take the severe punishment his moves inflicted on it. So he won't be making it big anywhere.

[Blader]

When were the Nation of Domination formed Chris?

[GENE]

1996 but they were reformed in 1997 with the rock and some other newv guys at the time

[Chris2K]

There were three forms of the NoD:

USWA:
PG-13
Kareem Olajuwon
Sir Mohammad
Akeem Muhammad
Elijah
Shaquille Ali
Randy X
Queen Moisha

The first WWF formation was in 1997, and included:
Faarooq (founder)
Crush
Savio Vega
Clarence Mason
DLo Brown
PG-13

When the NoD split into groups, Faarooq's group then also contained:
D'Lo Brown
Kama Mustafa (Godfather)
Ahmed Johnson
Mark Henry
The Rock
Owen Hart

I can't seem to find any exact dates yet, but I will try and find some.

[Blader]

Since I`m a bit young could you tell me who PG-13 and Clarence Mason are, and did Savio Vega leave to form Los Boricuas?

[GENE]

in wcw aj styles tag team partner was air paris who where and and what does he do now

[Chris2K]

PG-13 were the Tag Team of JC Ice and Wolfie D who didn't set the world on fire in the slightest.

Clarence Mason was a lawyer type character who worked with numerous people, but never as an in-ring competitor.

[Chris2K]

Air Paris teamed with Styles for the latter part of WCW's decline, and since then has only worked in the indies, especially for the NAWA. He has nowhere near the amount of talent his former partner does, and is more of a spot worker like Jeff Hardy. But better than him.

[GENE]

1.when wcw and ecw were bought by the wwe who decided who got taken on by the wwe
2.was jeff jerret ofered a contact,was steiner,knash
3.towards the end of wcw golberg was "fired" or was this just an angle
4.where is tony schivone and marc madden
5.did some one from time warner actually have to ask vince mcmahon to buy wcw or did he just come in with an offer
6.was there rumours on the net months before wcw was sold yhat it was going to be sold

[DC]

1.when wcw and ecw were bought by the wwe who decided who got taken on by the wwe
2.was jeff jerret ofered a contact,was steiner,knash
3.towards the end of wcw golberg was "fired" or was this just an angle
4.where is tony schivone and marc madden
5.did some one from time warner actually have to ask vince mcmahon to buy wcw or did he just come in with an offer
6.was there rumours on the net months before wcw was sold yhat it was going to be sold

1: Vince McMahon (probably after consulting with JR, Bruce Pritchard and others, but the decision would be his).

2: No, No, No. Vince asked the audience at RAW during the joint broadcast and publicly stated Jarret would not be offered a job. (Most definatley because of the Good Housekeeping debacle).

3: An angle

4: I don't know.

5: I think Vince was the only one who would put in an offer after TimeWarner stated there would be no air-time allocated to show WCW television.

6: Bischoff had a group ready to buy th ecompany and had declared it was a done deal. But once the TV deal was removed, his investors balked and bailed. Goldberg said that if he knew how little it would cost to buy WCW in the end he would have done it himself.

[Dan]

I hope Chris doesn't mind, but with regards to your point 6.

6.was there rumours on the net months before wcw was sold yhat it was going to be sold

I think that is pretty much true as there were rumours many people wanted to buy it, one rumours was Randy Savage even wanted to buy it. However, Eric Bischoff came very close in 2001, he met with AOL/ Time Warner brass and agreed terms to but the company. He wanted to buy WCW, close it for one month, take it off TV and totally relaunch the product. He came as close as having the papers drawn up etc, however it was decided that TNT and the other Turner networks no longer wanted to carry WCW or any wrestling at all, so with this Bischoff's deal fell through as WCW was usless without TV.

Apprently :xyx

[GENE]

what was the whole deal with jerret going to wcw in 1999 and why was vince so adament that jerret wasnnt coming to the wwe just because he jined wcw in 1999

[Evil Gringo]

Vince asked Jarrett to drop the IC title to Chyna as she was building some major popularity at the time and thought it would be a good idea (Vince is a genius huh)...

Jarrett was coming to the end of his contract and wasn't to happy with Vince and the WWE since he was stuck in the midcard and was now being asked to job to a women with he believed a fraction of his ability....

So Jarrett agreed but only if Vince paid him a six figure sum and granted him a release to go to WCW. Vince agreed, Chyna went over, Jarrett left....

Jarrett was friends with Russo and won the WCW title on numourous occasions in his stay there.... But when the buy out came the WWE and Vince, hacked off at Jarretts decision to hold the IC title at an almost ransom decided to leave him off the signing list....

Jarrett collected his Warner contract till it expired then wrestled for the WWA and then founded NWA-TNA... the rest as they say is now history...

[Devilish Angel]

I believe Jody Fleisch has retired from wrestling because his body couldn't take the severe punishment his moves inflicted on it. So he won't be making it big anywhere.

Jody Fleisch is making a comeback, he will be wrestling Mark Belton at FWA Crunch next month, and he will also be wrestling at an FWA Academy show as well.

[TMJ]

And if the rumours are to be believed, it wasn't injuries on his body. He was stabbed in his hand by his girlfriend. But that's hearsay.

[TMJ]

Vince asked Jarrett to drop the IC title to Chyna as she was building some major popularity at the time and thought it would be a good idea (Vince is a genius huh)...

Jarrett was coming to the end of his contract and wasn't to happy with Vince and the WWE since he was stuck in the midcard and was now being asked to job to a women with he believed a fraction of his ability....

So Jarrett agreed but only if Vince paid him a six figure sum and granted him a release to go to WCW. Vince agreed, Chyna went over, Jarrett left....

Jarrett was friends with Russo and won the WCW title on numourous occasions in his stay there.... But when the buy out came the WWE and Vince, hacked off at Jarretts decision to hold the IC title at an almost ransom decided to leave him off the signing list....

Jarrett collected his Warner contract till it expired then wrestled for the WWA and then founded NWA-TNA... the rest as they say is now history...
Just to add to that, Jarrett was upset that a program between he and Austin was turned down by both Austin and Jim Ross. Added to the fact that both Ed Ferrera and Vince Russo (two former WWE writers who jumped ship to WCW just after SmackDown debuted as a weekly show) disliked JR, it became a match made in heaven (supposedly). It also explains why both Ferrera and Russo were picked up by TNA.

[Evil Gringo]

The Evil Gringo wrote this ages ago in this thread....

Jody Fleish as far as I know is on the comeback trail for the FWA after retiring for a while die to serious tendon and muscle damage in his hand where I think he was stabbed by an ex-girlfriend....


Why don't people read back in threads... You'd have known about Fleish even sooner!

[GENE]

what was the american wrestling association AWA where was it who were there main guys and when did it fold was it like the third fed back in the 80s

[Dan]

what was the american wrestling association AWA where was it who were there main guys and when did it fold was it like the third fed back in the 80s

The AWA was promoted by Verne Gagne, it closed around 1990 after it became impossible for the AWA to compete with the WWF. Some of the big names from the AWA were The Road Warriors, Rick Martel, Hulk Hogan, Bobby Heenan, Nick Bockwinkle, Curt Henning, plus many more guys.

[Ravenmark]

The AWA was promoted by Verne Gagne, it closed around 1990 after it became impossible for the AWA to compete with the WWF. Some of the big names from the AWA were The Road Warriors, Rick Martel, Hulk Hogan, Bobby Heenan, Nick Bockwinkle, Curt Henning, plus many more guys.

And Greg Gagne!

'I'm Greg Gagne and I'm in a rage,
I want Brody and I want him in a cage'

[Russ]

You SO rule.

[Ravenmark]

http://img66.exs.cx/img66/5268/gagne1xh.th.jpg (http://img66.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img66&image=gagne1xh.jpg)

[GENE]

where is debra stone colds ex wife cause she was nice and a good manager

[Ravenmark]

where is debra stone colds ex wife cause she was nice and a good manager

She was old and untalented.

She's probably unemployed in some trailer park somewhere having spent her divorce settlement on plastic surgery.

[MrFill]

Debra, while being a nice person to speak to (met her in person just before WM-X8) is getting really old in wrestling terms

At that time she was beginning to look really old - she's now 45 years old (born in March 1960)


I doubt she'd be working for any wrestling companies as she was talentless apart from being a valet - she only kept her job because of Stone Cold :P

[Evil Gringo]

Yeah as far as I know she is out of wrestling now after her involvement with a certain Steve 'Stone Cold Steve Austin' Williams.....

[GENE]

who is aguila at wrestmania 14

[GENE]

why did the wwe create three new belts in 1997 thehardcore,europen and the lightheaveywheight and none of them are in existence today and none of them ever meant anything after they went to there second holder

[TMJ]

who is aguila at wrestmania 14
Aguila was a mexican wrestler who was kept on as a wrestler on the WWE's failed attempt to appeal to the mexican market, "Los Superastros" (or something) under the name Papi Chulo minus the mask. He is better known to newer fans as Essa Rios, former Light-heavyweight champion who was valeted by Lita when she first entered the fed. He appeared in TNA as Mr.Aguila as part of Team AAA/Mexico but mostly works in Mexico.

[GENE]

i thought it was him and he was good at mania 14 as well as taka

[TMJ]

why did the wwe create three new belts in 1997 thehardcore,europen and the lightheaveywheight and none of them are in existence today and none of them ever meant anything after they went to there second holder
The Hardcore title was created in 1998 as a present for Mick Foley and as an excuse to give guys like Al Snow something to do and be "hardcore". It probably meant more when it started being fought over by Al Snow, Roaddogg, Bob Holly etc, who had regular hardcore brawls around the arena (often ending up outside of it). It went on a small down period, and then picked up with the 24/7 rule, which actually made it mean something for a few weeks until it became real passe. The rule was picked up again at WM18 I think, and whilst it was a funny night, the title outstayed its welcome until Tommy Dreamer and Rob Van Dam had the final title match to unify with the European title in a match that ironically was it's best in a long time.

The European title was created in 1997 to give The Buldog something to do, and to key in to it's Eueropean market, especially the UK which was planned for a regular visit (which started in September 1997 with the SBO treat "One Night Only). Unfortunately, after D'lo Brown's title reign in 1998, it never meant much more.

The Light Heavyweight title meant a lot until WM14. Taka kinda forgot about it til Gillberg won it in 1998/1999, and then the WWE forgot it until 2000. Dean Malenko brought it some prestige but it never reached anything again and was merged with the Cruiserweight title - so it is still around, kind of.

[GENE]

towards the end of wcw infact in september 2000 wcw in the uk changed from tnt to bravo why did this happen and is tnt still around in the us

[Ravenmark]

I'll just add something to what DraVen said, that I found from Wrestling-titles.com:

The WWF Lightheavyweight title dates back to 1981 when Perry Aguaya won the title in a tournament in Japan beating Gran Hamada in the finals on 26/3/81.
Aguaya held the title a total of 7 times.

The title was defended in Japan and Mexico almost exclusively with greats such as Great Sasuki, Ultimo Dragon and Jushin Liger. Pegasus Kid also held the belt, this MIGHT be Chris Benoit, but I think his name was Wild Pegasus.

Shinjiro Ohtani was forced to vacate the title in November 1997 and the title was put up for grabs in a tournament wich Taka Michinoku won, by beating Brian Christopher, also know as GRAND MASTER SEXAY!

The title floundered in the mid to low card until, as DraVen says, Malenko attempted to bring it some prestige (inc a wonderful match against Scotty 2 Hotty at Backlash 2000) and X-Pac was the final holder of the belt when it was unified with the Cruiser weight title.

Hope this helps.

And Dra, hope I wasn't stepping on your toes by blabbering on with myself.

For more stuff on title histories go to http://www.wrestling-titles.com

[Evil Gringo]

Just to add a few things....

Pegasus Kid was Benoit under a mask... after his series against Liger in the early 1990's when he won the IWGP Jr Title he unmasked and matured to become Wild Pegasus....

And Mr Aguilera wrestles in Mexico but is out of action with a broken leg at the mo after an inring accident when fighting with Juvi Guerrera against Marufuji and KENTA for the NOAH Jr tag titles when the japanese pair tour Mexico in December/January

[Ravenmark]

Just to add a few things....

Pegasus Kid was Benoit under a mask... after his series against Liger in the early 1990's when he won the IWGP Jr Title he unmasked and matured to become Wild Pegasus....

And Mr Aguilera wrestles in Mexico but is out of action with a broken leg at the mo after an inring accident when fighting with Juvi Guerrera against Marufuji and KENTA for the NOAH Jr tag titles when the japanese pair tour Mexico in December/January

Thanks for that Gringo - I wasn't sure about the Pegasus Kid thing! :xyx

[TMJ]

towards the end of wcw infact in september 2000 wcw in the uk changed from tnt to bravo why did this happen and is tnt still around in the us
TNT became TCM over here, and since Nitro wasn't a classic movie, it had no place on the channel, so Bravo bought out the rights to show nitro (but not Thunder). TNT in the States and TNT over here were run by different people, despite being owned by the same Ted Turner.

To the best of my knowledge, TNT might still be around, but I think it focuses on classic movies moreso than anything. TBS was always Turner's main station in terms of wrestling (Thunder's old station), but I'm not sure if that's still around or not.

[Dan]

I've been looking and it looks like all the Turner channels are operating, Tuner South, TNT, TBS, Turner Classic Movies etc.

TNT shows Drama like Law & Order, as well as Movies, plus sport like NBA and NASCAR.

TBS looks like to shows comedy shuch as Everyone Loves Raymond, Friends, and Family Guy.

Does anyoen know if Ted Turner still owns the channels, it does say they are a Time Warner company?

[wyndorf]

I think Ted has some shares in Time Warner, but he no longer has the power to dictate what these channals show, in other words, he doesn't have a controlling interest. When Time Warner took-over Turner, they also took over the ownership of all channals, and channnal names.

I'm aware that Time Warner didn't officially 'Take over' Turner, it was billed as a 'merger', but it was obviously a hostile take over.

[Dave7g]

I'll ask here as I've been searching the net for nearly an hour and it's buggin' the bejeezus out of me.

Who was that kid that came to the ring with Jerry Lawler at 94' King of the Ring? He looks like Zach Gowan but I'm pretty sure it's not him.

[Chris2K]

The thread's been unstickied for this week due to the additional stickied threads for WrestleMania.

And as far as I can find out, the kid was in Piper's corner, and was a Piper fan who could do a good impression of him and was bullied by Lawler during the build up. No idea about names or anything.

[Dave7g]

Ah ok. Good we're back in business.

Who was the kid who came out on Raw and did impressions of the wrestlers? It was during Owen's big heel push think it was after Montreal. I think he was an indy worker.

[wyndorf]

That guy who was in Piper's corner, does share a likeness with Zach Gowen. Is the guy who took off Owen Hart the same guy that helped piper?

[Gerrard]

Ah ok. Good we're back in business.

Who was the kid who came out on Raw and did impressions of the wrestlers? It was during Owen's big heel push think it was after Montreal. I think he was an indy worker.

Jason Sensation

[WWE]

Didn't "Rowdy" Roddy Piper at WM21 say "WWF"? and if so, which I'm pretty sure he did, how did he get away with it?

[Chris2K]

He did, and he didn't get away with it. It was dubbed over into "WWE" when they ran the repeat of the show. It's fair enough for him to make the mistake considering he spent all his time in the "WWF", and only a few months in the "WWE".

[DC]

He did, and he didn't get away with it. It was dubbed over into "WWE" when they ran the repeat of the show. It's fair enough for him to make the mistake considering he spent all his time in the "WWF", and only a few months in the "WWE".I still think he meant to say WWF. If you listen to the speech, he mentions WWE all the way through until he mentions rebels and WWF. Now in WWE Austin was the biggest rebel, but WWF Piper can argue the point. That's why I think it was meant.

[Devilish Angel]

Did Marty Jannetty get injured during his match with Shawn Michaels at Royal Rumble 1993?

After that match Marty was not seen again until May when he popped up on Raw and won the IC title from Shawn.

Thanks in advance :)

[Dave7g]

Jason Sensation

Thanks for the info!

[Chris2K]

I cant find anything out about Rumble 93 to when Jannetty beat HBK for the IC Title. I guess he was just given some time off.

[Mike.]

What happened to Mosh & Thrasher?